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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Corazon
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On December 23 2012 02:34 OmniEulogy wrote: I suppose Chrom but at that point with suspicion falling on me I didn't want to be having to spend the first half of D2 defending myself because of Spag. which seems to be happening anyway. By the way nobody seems to have a problem with my post for the reads right? ##Vote: Threesr My case on you btw is the fact that you don't post anything constructive, you have said nothing of merit, and claim you are too lazy to post or contribute. From the very start till now. Chrom has been the only person to defend you @Chromatically what are your thoughts about Threesr now? after an extra 48 hours and still nothing good to say other than + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 13:11 threesr wrote: Well since no one is going to vote for this FC guy my plan is to hop on the Corazon train. Im still down for a Mocsta lynch if you guys wanna do that. ##unvote ##vote cDgCorazon On December 22 2012 07:51 threesr wrote: Too lazy to do that atm, i dont care about your opinion of me at all just fyi. which was his 3rd post in over a day. Wonders why we have almost all called him scum. I don't know if this is a pressure vote or if he is trying to get us to lynch Threesr, but this is probably who he wants lynched. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 23 2012 12:55 shz wrote: @Chromatically: Why do you think he would not chose me to lynch? Are you suggesting something? And why do you back off from him, vote me (before you made a case), if you think there is a connection? I feel like his earlier votes, along with his vote for you, are pressure votes to get you to contribute and defend yourself, things which you haven't done until now. In the case of Threesr, I was in the same thought pattern as you, except I feel like Threesr is coming back with a bad town/bad mafia reading. Both do not really affect us. I feel like we should leave Threesr alone for now because we have bigger fish to fry, and we can tell is someone in the future is mafia if they are under fire and respond by going after Threesr. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 23 2012 13:55 shz wrote: If Omni is scum, the only explanation for his Spaghetti vote would be that Corazon is scum too. Why would he not jump on the Corazon wagon otherwise? Scum wants to kill anyone besides scum, so why start confusion when you just can take the safe bet without getting noticed. M conclusion is: If Omni is scum, Corazon has to be too. But then I don't get why he should still make a case against Cora, even if he backpaddled later? Why draw attenion to your buddy at all? That sir, is where you are sadly misinformed. If you've read the thread, you would see that Spag defended me, not attacked me. If Omni and I are scum, Omni would not have thrown me under the bus Day 1. That is a strategy scum would do if they wanted to lose. He would also not go on the offensive against someone who defended his scum mate, the logical thing to do would keep his vote on me and ride out Spag's lynch on Day 1. You don't understand why he would make a case against me and call me "100%" scum if we were both scum as well. I think you are taking the "Newbie" title in this thread just a bit too seriously. If the scum were to do things that you are suggesting the scum are doing, then this game would be over in 3 days. If you are going to accuse me of being scum buddies with Omni, you need to look at my filter. I have not made any huge argument for or against Omni in the entire game. To me, this just seems like you reaching for connections that just don't exist, and reads that you are hoping we are stupid enough to believe. ##unvote ##Vote:Shz | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 23 2012 14:18 shz wrote: You, sir did not understand my post at all. Maybe it was strangely worded so Ill try again: If Omni were scum, he could have just voted for you instead of going for Spaghetti, because at that time you were bout to get lynched. Except if you were scum too, than he had to rescue you from your demise. But if you were scum, and he were scum, we would not made his case againt you in the first place. This is why I don't think there is a reasom to believe Omni is scum. You should have put this in the original post -__- ##unvote ##Vote:Orangeremi | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 23 2012 14:20 shz wrote: *he would not made his his case against you. But, since you are getting all defensive. This line of arguing is not excludig you from being scum, just him and you. So you might stay defensive. Well I'm not going to keel over if you are trying to link me with someone who was suspicious and accuse me of being scum. I had a misunderstanding of what you had said because you said "if Omni is scum Corazon is scum" without giving your opinion on whether you think Omni is scum or not. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 23 2012 14:25 cDgCorazon wrote: who was suspicious. EBWOP: who was under suspicion | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 23 2012 14:34 shz wrote: I hope the confusion is cleared out then. What is your current thought of chroma? My current thoughts on Chroma is that he is un-scummy. He has been very good in making cases against others, and his reasoning and logic has been extremely solid so far. He completely picked apart Mocsta's accusations, and that leads me to believe that he is town, and not just disassociating himself from Omni. He's answered any questions asked to him fully, and without hesitation. His upfrontness indicates that he has nothing sinister to hide. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 23 2012 21:16 Orangeremi wrote: I suppose I should clarify. I've had very few scum reads this game. I've had plenty of suspicions. When referring to 'scum reads' I'm just mentioning the players I'm suspicious of. I honestly couldn't say that I wasn't convinced any players were scum D1. My explanation for voting FC over Spag is I was convinced Spag was town after reading his long final post before being lynched. At that point I felt it was a toss-up between FC and Kickstart in my mind and I just voted to avoid voting no-lynch (since people seemed to not want me to). I would take all the players I've mentioned with a grain of salt, especially since I haven't made a case for any of them. However, none of my suspicions from then compare with how convinced I am with my D2 vote. After viewing Chrom's evidence towards Omni and then reviewing it myself, there's no way he's town. This satisfies me as well. I feel like it explains the things you were accused of. Good job defending yourself, just keep up the scum hunting. ##unvote | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Right now, I am going to vote for a no-lynch, as my mind is not made up on who we should lynch. We have about 5.5 hours left in the day, so anything could happen. ##Vote:No-lynch If anyone has a problem with this, let me know. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
##Vote:No-lynch | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
In all honesty, I have a lot of suspicion of Omni, but I feel like any more cases against him would just be overkill, but I don't want to bandwagon either. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:29 OmniEulogy wrote: ##Vote: cDgCorazon He slipped up so badly I can't believe it was a mistake. He actually claimed mafia after an already terrible start while being defensive and being overly cautious of most of his posts. I think Theesr's constant back and forth with him made him slip up. On December 20 2012 09:29 OmniEulogy wrote: Either way we as town get an extremely large amount of information if we lynch Corazon at the moment. Unless proven otherwise Corazon's slips have made him 100% scum in my mind. On December 20 2012 21:51 OmniEulogy wrote: #Unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus ##FoS: cDgCorazon Congrats Corazon. I still think you are scum but I'm going to hunt your buddies for the rest of the day. On December 20 2012 22:41 OmniEulogy wrote: I was ready to tunnel Corazon until your horrid defense to Aqua's case. 100% believe he is scum. Doesn't mean I'm not going to look for other scum though. On December 21 2012 19:48 OmniEulogy wrote: Alright, so to get more conversation going I'm going to go over pretty much everything I believe we've learned from D1. Reads I'll start off with Corazon. After re-reading everything he's said a few times I believe I owe him an apology. As he defended Spag while the vote was on him I'm willing to say I believe he is town. He stuck with his vote on Theesr the entire time. I am willing to overlook every mistake up to this point in his posting and trust that what ever he says from now on is from the mouth of a townie. TL:DR sorry Cora, I believe you are town along with Mocsta, Aqua, Chrom, and maybe shz/fc On December 21 2012 19:48 OmniEulogy wrote: Again I owe an apology to Corazon as I believe he might be right in thinking Theesr is Scum or possible SK. On December 22 2012 22:40 OmniEulogy wrote: 4) Corazon did not get on this wagon at any point - made cases for why we should NOT lynch Spag but instead Threesr. - points to his innocence. quite loudly. On December 24 2012 02:11 OmniEulogy wrote: Cora I really hope you are scum, your posting is still terrible and your misinformation and lack of knowledge for your facts is amazing. First you call shz out on something about you when he wasn't referring to you and nowhere did I say I had a 100% read on spag. The fact he turned town is the only reason you became clear but my god everything you post sounds scummy. Please read posts more carefully. Please. Which one is it? Am I scum or town? Let us take a look the big things you have done so far: -Made a case to lynch me while I was on the chopping block -Made a case to lynch Spag when he was on the chopping block -Claimed VT -Backtracked about your feelings on me once your suspicions on Spag were proven wrong -Defended yourself from multiple attacks -Tried to pressure Threesr (an easy lynch target) right when people started to jump off of your case -Backtracked your backtrack about your feelings on me Your play has been the most inconsistent by far. You're the only one to have claimed a role, which in all honesty your claim holds no weight because anyone could come out and say they are this role and that role. All the cases you have made are just supporting the original cases on someone. You have come up with no new cases by yourself. You have been bandwagoning and choosing multiple targets and easy lynches when you have been put under pressure. Why would you want to do this? It looks like you are contributing to the town, but it also looks like you are trying to make it so that if you lynch a townie, you won't get completely blamed for it. The only reason you took so much heat for Spag was that Aqua (original case against Spag) defended himself very well and very quickly. Your push for Threesr to defend himself is also a scummy move. With the pressure right off of you, trying to direct the town away from the right lynch and making things chaotic is the perfect town atmosphere for you to slip out of the hot seat, and for scum to thrive. Attacking someone with OMGUS just because they are leaning towards voting you is not a smart thing to do at all. You just seem to be too erratic in your behavior and views to possibly be someone that is town, or that the town wants to keep. ##unvote ##Vote: OmniEulogy | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 24 2012 02:58 Chromatically wrote: Glad that people are voting; if you haven't already, put your vote on your top scumread. I'm pretty confident that both shz and Omni are scum, so I'll consolidate onto Omni later if shz isn't getting any votes. I'm still concerned about the 3-4 people that have not voted yet. I would be really sad if the game went from 11 players to 5-6. That would not be as fun. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 24 2012 05:18 OmniEulogy wrote: yeah no problem cake. Basically it comes down to, Corazon defended Spag while Corazon was still #1 lynch. If he was scum he shouldn't try to save him. Aqua started the case, if Corazon is town and Aqua is scum, Aqua doesn't need to throw his name out there to get people to switch to Spag. The only way it makes sense is if both Aqua and Corazon are scum and Cora's consistent terrible play is intentional. I've just decided he's bad at reading though and he continues to support that. If you can't remember, Aqua (not you) was the first one to cast a vote on me. He cast a pressure vote on me to get me to speak up. Why would he do such a thing if we were both scum? Bussing that early before anyone else has suspicions is a stupid way to play Mafia. Aqua switched off of me to Spag because Spag defended someone who was under fire ("100% scum", in your words), and Aqua felt like Spag had only asked others to contribute and had not contributed much himself. Aqua switched off of me as a gamble to get a good scum player lynched Day 1. However, the gamble did not pay off and Spag flipped town. Your logic is bad. You've run out of real ways to defend yourself and are just trying to say a bunch of things to confuse town and hope they do not lynch you. Try again. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 24 2012 05:52 Chromatically wrote: You're right, I've only talked about your "arguments" twice so far. You ignore his whole scummy filter so that you can give him a contrived town read because you don't want to vote your scumbuddy, Of course he should vote you to survive. There's no way that you don't understand that. shz and OmniEulogy scumteam 100% If you think they are a scum team, who should go off first? Omni or Shz? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
+1 Sir | ||
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Corazon
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Corazon
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On December 24 2012 13:15 Sylencia wrote: Other than that, I really don't have a good read on most of the other remaining players. How do you feel about me? Is there anything I need to clarify for you? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I still have Orange and shz in the same group: Former lurkers who have come out of the shadows, only to show us that they really are suspicious people and have not added much to the scum hunt. Chrom, I really feel like you are looking into the relationship between Omni and shz too much. Omni did not vote for Shz because he had already given up, whether out of frustration or not. You can't pin someone as scum or not just based off of someone's voting patterns for them. I feel like that part of your case has no momentum. However, I do agree on the points that have been argued that Shz's list is just a summary and does not give us any new information. @Cake: Could a possible motive for not defending Omni be that someone defending the person who's lynch train is biggest will lead to town turning on you (what I'm calling the Spag effect) because you are defending the person on the bottom? I think the nature of Spag's lynch on D1 that the town leans towards lynching people who have defended the person on the bottom. | ||
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