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shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
December 23 2012 22:01 GMT
#941
@Aqua: Why does a list rubs you the wrong way?
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 22:08 GMT
#942
It looks constructive at first glance, but doesn't tell us anything in particular. Also, by limiting yourself to talking only about established facts rather than your own opinions, it doesn't commit you to any inconvenient beliefs you'll have to square your later play with.
shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
December 23 2012 22:11 GMT
#943
On December 24 2012 07:08 Aquanim wrote:
It looks constructive at first glance, but doesn't tell us anything in particular. Also, by limiting yourself to talking only about established facts rather than your own opinions, it doesn't commit you to any inconvenient beliefs you'll have to square your later play with.


What would you like to know?
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 22:15 GMT
#944
On December 24 2012 07:11 shz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 07:08 Aquanim wrote:
It looks constructive at first glance, but doesn't tell us anything in particular. Also, by limiting yourself to talking only about established facts rather than your own opinions, it doesn't commit you to any inconvenient beliefs you'll have to square your later play with.


What would you like to know?


Well, let's start with your scumreads.

Though what I would have really liked to see was you looking for scum and gathering information on your own initiative without being prompted.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 23 2012 22:15 GMT
#945
If you want to talk about inconvenient beliefs he's been defending me for the last 2 hours on the belief that I'm town. He made a lot of good points that people ignore. He came to the same conclusion I did, that we need the lurkers to be forced into activity to find anything out otherwise we're going to keep lynching townies. I guess that doesn't count.
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 22:17 GMT
#946
On December 24 2012 07:15 OmniEulogy wrote:
If you want to talk about inconvenient beliefs he's been defending me for the last 2 hours on the belief that I'm town. He made a lot of good points that people ignore. He came to the same conclusion I did, that we need the lurkers to be forced into activity to find anything out otherwise we're going to keep lynching townies. I guess that doesn't count.

Damn me, you two aren't helping your "not scum together" case.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 23 2012 22:19 GMT
#947
I'm already lynched why do I care if I support my town read? Hopefully it keeps people from wasting the entire night talking about it.
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 22:28 GMT
#948

If you want to talk about inconvenient beliefs he's been defending me for the last 2 hours on the belief that I'm town. He made a lot of good points that people ignore.


"A lot" of good points? This is the only one I can find:


If Omni is scum, the only explanation for his Spaghetti vote would be that Corazon is scum too. Why would he not jump on the Corazon wagon otherwise? Scum wants to kill anyone besides scum, so why start confusion when you just can take the safe bet without getting noticed.
M conclusion is: If Omni is scum, Corazon has to be too. But then I don't get why he should still make a case against Cora, even if he backpaddled later? Why draw attenion to your buddy at all?

There's also no reason NOT to vote for Spag, if Corazon and Spag are both town. All he has to do is read the Spag case, see that it makes sense and that the Corazon case has mostly stalled, and jump on early. Calling Omni town based on this and only this is jumping to conclusions.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 23 2012 22:55 GMT
#949
ah I meant a lot of good points in general not just in my defense. he's really picked it up D2.
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 22:58 GMT
#950
On December 24 2012 07:55 OmniEulogy wrote:
ah I meant a lot of good points in general not just in my defense. he's really picked it up D2.

Like what?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 22:59 GMT
#951
Oh, and if you're town Omni, I hope you're preparing your list of reads and stuff so we have the benefit of your wisdom.

If you're scum you can do what you like, of course.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 23:21:10
December 23 2012 23:20 GMT
#952
Votecount:

Orangeremi (1): OmniEulogy
OmniEulogy (7): Orangeremi, cakepie, cDgCorazon, Sylencia, FatChunk, Chromatically, Aquanim
shz (1): Kickstart

Not voting (2): threesr, shz,

Currently, OmniEulogy is set to be lynched! 40 minutes remaining in day 1.
Please PM any of your friendly neighborhood hosts if your vote is counted incorrectly.

Remember that you HAVE to vote.

A backwards poet writes inverse.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 23 2012 23:25 GMT
#953
read his filter I can't be bothered. You should probably read his posts at least once anyway. He's given more information than 9 other people who are still alive today. Which only leaves you Aqua so... good luck.

Chrom tunneled me, possible mafia now who has blended in well. I still believe he's town though.

Cora can't understand what he is reading and constantly misquotes people. I hope he's a genius mafia but I think he's just bad town.

Threesr... + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911&user=166169


OrangeRemi: over 100 hours with no reads on anybody. As I said before the only active lurker, he voted for me and disappeared again without leaving any reasoning other than I was the top scum pick. He seems a bit obvious really.

Sylencia has done one thing that has gone ignored because of lack of information. His case (?) on Kick. Other than that same as Orange but with less information to base an opinion on.

Kick has actually posted much less than Threesr. Again, good luck with information.

FC, incriminating D1, has burrowed since then

Basically I think we're screwed. Start looking at what happens when I flip VT cause I honestly think the scum have played this perfectly. We didn't go after the lurkers, have lost a massive amount of information and because we didn't have information we turned on each other and made imaginary cases on ourselves because we don't have a clue about the others.


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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 23 2012 23:26 GMT
#954
So in these remaining 40 minutes what do you think Aqua? you might as well believe I'm town and try to pinball some idea's off me, if I flip scum you can ignore it but otherwise it'll all be true lol
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 23:29 GMT
#955
On December 24 2012 08:25 OmniEulogy wrote:
Basically I think we're screwed. Start looking at what happens when I flip VT cause I honestly think the scum have played this perfectly. We didn't go after the lurkers, have lost a massive amount of information and because we didn't have information we turned on each other and made imaginary cases on ourselves because we don't have a clue about the others.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. Still can't chase anyone else at this point today (too much WIFOM, and besides I doubt there's enough people here). At this rate Threesr will be modkilled - if he flips green (or blue :/ ) we will be in very deep s***.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 23 2012 23:31 GMT
#956
On December 24 2012 08:29 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 08:25 OmniEulogy wrote:
Basically I think we're screwed. Start looking at what happens when I flip VT cause I honestly think the scum have played this perfectly. We didn't go after the lurkers, have lost a massive amount of information and because we didn't have information we turned on each other and made imaginary cases on ourselves because we don't have a clue about the others.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. Still can't chase anyone else at this point today (too much WIFOM, and besides I doubt there's enough people here). At this rate Threesr will be modkilled - if he flips green (or blue :/ ) we will be in very deep s***.

What? You don't think that Omni is scum?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 23:33 GMT
#957
On December 24 2012 08:26 OmniEulogy wrote:
So in these remaining 40 minutes what do you think Aqua? you might as well believe I'm town and try to pinball some idea's off me, if I flip scum you can ignore it but otherwise it'll all be true lol

  • Have you looked at Newbie XXXII? If you have, do you think Syl's play here is the same? Syl has been lurking hard into day 2. I could well see myself pushing for a Syl lynch tomorrow just out of desperation.
  • What do you think of cakepie?
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 23 2012 23:33 GMT
#958
I'd put my money on you or Chrom (if Chrom is town) getting taken out during the night as well. And we lost our jailor N1. which leaves I believe the scum RB and our own. Hope he hits the person they are using to carry out the kill. need a bit of luck lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 23 2012 23:37 GMT
#959
I think I actually mentioned very early into this game that Syl's early posting was much stronger than XXXII given that he let us know he'd be gone for the first day. and yeah I read through the whole thing because you told me about what happened to you in it.

Cake's posting was much better today. He made some real cases (I think he wrote one for me) and came up with some pretty good information. Mind you I was already a massive target so it probably wasn't hard for him to do... and after that he hasn't posted so I don't know =/
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 23:37 GMT
#960
On December 24 2012 08:31 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 08:29 Aquanim wrote:
On December 24 2012 08:25 OmniEulogy wrote:
Basically I think we're screwed. Start looking at what happens when I flip VT cause I honestly think the scum have played this perfectly. We didn't go after the lurkers, have lost a massive amount of information and because we didn't have information we turned on each other and made imaginary cases on ourselves because we don't have a clue about the others.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. Still can't chase anyone else at this point today (too much WIFOM, and besides I doubt there's enough people here). At this rate Threesr will be modkilled - if he flips green (or blue :/ ) we will be in very deep s***.

What? You don't think that Omni is scum?

Let's say he's dying like I think a town player would die. Like I said, though, scum might do this in hopes of last-minute deliverance. And if there was a competing wagon I'd feel a lot happier about the outcome of this day.
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