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agree. We need lurker definition. I think its not just lack of quantity (e.g. 2 posts per day) but also lack of quality (harder to define). Need others input on lack of quality. @all What is defined as a low quality post? sorry if typos. Writing on phone on bus | ||
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On December 19 2012 08:10 Chromatically wrote: Super early start anyone? Anyway, Mocsta: 1) I don't really want to discuss policy lynching since it defeats the purpose, but we as a town need to be hard on lurkers this game. Last game had some painful lurking (from my comfortable obs perspective) and that was a main reason that the town lost. You don't have to spam up the thread all day, but you do need to give your thoughts/reads/comments often. 2) Pretty sure it's 3 mafia. OP doesn't say anything but the other Newbie games with 13 players all had 3 and anything else is just unbalanced. 3) Not sure, shrimp are good though. @chromatically hi. Its 7.15 here. Im on bus to work :-) So. How do u think 3 mafia would go about infiltrating us? & Speaking of policies what is your take on lynch all liars? . | ||
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On December 19 2012 08:29 threesr wrote: I don't have a problem with lurkers. Were u modkilled recently? @threesr please explain why you approve of lurking. How does it benefit town. And how do you think it benefits scum play | ||
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On December 19 2012 09:25 threesr wrote: EST umm yea like I think its important to do that stuff but Im just saying Im not going to automatically vote for someone who doesnt feel like doing that. I have to disagree with. I will concede that I will not "automatically vote" for a lurker. [Rationale: 5 people are lurking, who do you choose? Its not 'automatic' in a literal sense, thought is still required] I stand by the Lynch All Lurkers however, because, Allowing Lurkers to "Fly Under the Radar" is creating an environment where Mafia are not compelled to Scumslip. Please note the below. On December 19 2012 10:43 Chromatically wrote: So are you saying that lurking is more acceptable towards the beginning of the game? Can you elaborate on when you think that a townie lying will "get a mafia member to lose focus"? @Threesr Chromatically raises extremely valid questions to "cDgCorazon" I would appreciate if you could also answer the same question. (including the lose focus) | ||
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On December 19 2012 08:05 shz wrote: 2) How do you think scum would try to infiltrate us? No idea. I guess by acting like town? I'm not that knowledgeable about what they can do. I don't think just lurking is the best strategy for them though. @shz This is not asking about the mafia special powers [i.e "what they can do]. I was asking about tactics/methodology behind play. [You stated lurking isnt the best strategy] What do you think is a suitable mafia strategy? | ||
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On December 19 2012 08:34 Chromatically wrote: *tips hat* Basically, townies should not lie and I have no problem lynching anyone who is lying; In a more advanced game, there might be times that lying is acceptable as town, but it is not needed in this game. Townies, don't lie. What do you mean by "how they would go about infiltrating us"? They're going to act as townie as possible without actually contributing. From experience (XXXI), I wouldn't expect them to offer any controversial opinions because it really is nerve-wracking to be put under suspicion as scum. IMO, end of day votecounts are the best form of evidence against scum. @Chromatically (1) So far you are my best town read. (Based on your other comments in thread) In response to your commentary above. (a) I agree, townies should not lie. It does nothing to aid the environment. (b) Infiltrating is in relation to: receiving reads as "Townie". Some mafia may be content to sit in the shadows, others may try to be T1000/social network us. My question was designed to promote discussion regarding methods Mafia may use to come across as Town. Therefore giving other townies the tools to analyse quotes!! (c)I disagree with votecounts as the best form of evidence. I think they are a very substantial form of evidence. But this game in particular seems to be 50/50 split between America/Australia timezones. I think in a lot of cases, people will not be available for last minute vote swaps (thus, reducing the likelihood of bandwagon swaps [which i think is the evidence you are alluding to]) | ||
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On December 19 2012 08:45 Sylencia wrote: Hey guys, won't be the most active player during day 1, as I have work during the day and tomorrow night I have a work dinner party, but I'll try to be as active as I can when possible (posting this at work - gogo compilation time :D) After that, I should be all free from any obligations whatsoever. To answer the questions proposed: 1) I still am not sure whether or not lurker kills on day 1 are good, it's a high variance move which I don't necessarily like, but if no one has come off as being scummy, it's better than having an obvious mislynch. 2) I'm sure there will be some sort of pressure voting happening in this game, especially since we don't know how many mafia there are, they could easily start ganging up on one person and it'd be a lot harder to detect than last game where it was guaranteed to be 2 members, it could be fairly high at 3 + even a serial killer who would be willing to lynch anyone since they don't care whatsoever. 3) I don't even know if I have a slight allergy to them, my mouth gets itchy when I eat prawns  Moc: Low quality post are just filler posts which doesn't really help encourage discussion or which are kind of pointless and can be considered just posting to create noise. The latter is the type I dislike more though, since it becomes a lot harder to catch up on the thread without getting lost and having to backtrack and read again. @Sylencia I appreciate that you are busy today. At some stage in the game, all of us will be in the same situation. For me personally though, this does not make you void from a vote. For the time being ##fos:Sylencia I will re-consider once I have read more comments from yourself. | ||
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Nice first post. Does have a townie feel to if (if not a bit forced....) My read on you is still: null. Considering you have expressed your past experience with this game as a cop, can you please enlighten us all with what behavior you were looking for when trying to identify targets to "inspect" | ||
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On December 19 2012 11:19 OmniEulogy wrote: @Mocsta @Cromatically Mocsta you show a lot of interest as how Mafia should play this game to not draw attention to themselves. Giving me a weird vibe from it. Fair Question. I indeed have. Please refer to the quote below. On December 19 2012 11:06 Mocsta wrote: ... My question was designed to promote discussion regarding methods Mafia may use to come across as Town. Therefore giving other townies the tools to analyse quotes!! I think it speaks for itself. | ||
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On December 19 2012 11:27 Spaghetticus wrote: Mocsta I honestly think it's too early to be getting town reads. This is in response to your acknowledgement of Chroma not your null on me. The positives of such a move (that I can think of) are that if you are good at reading people your reads yours will hold more weight than those of a bad reader. The negatives are that if you are a below average reader then you are throwing town off, if you are scum you could be solidifying a position as head town, and read confidence improves with time. I don't see it as a solid move this early. I like the drive you are giving town though. @Spaghetticus Well thought out response. You have made me consider a possibility I didn't think of when posting (might throw town off). So I agree to hold off "reads/opinion" till the lurkers wake up and post more. (At least I hope they are sleeping instead of lurking) | ||
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On December 19 2012 11:55 Sylencia wrote: Not saying I'm always going to be busy, I was just stating that you might consider me a lurker for now but that's just due to the schedule I have over the 2 days in which this period runs. I wasn't using it as an excuse to try exclude me from a vote. Precisely why I did not cast a 'random" vote your way. The FOS was more so a statement to others that, yes we all have real lives. But using that as an excuse for lack of posts doesn't cut it. [This should address the question addressed to me, on why I gave the FOS] | ||
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On December 19 2012 14:06 FatChunk wrote: Cakepie, I really liked your post regarding not being afraid to make mistakes as a townie. In this game of newbies, we will learn while asking questions and participating in discussion. I will be fearless. That being said I think at this point in the game, there is very little information available, but I see value in scoping out a possible lynch on the first day. I think we should be looking for players who promote environments where Mafia thrive. FatChunk, Please be fearless and share your thoughts on what you think promotes an environment for Mafia to thrive? | ||
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Activity has dropped off a bit. Perhaps this time of day is bad for all timezones. Either way, FatChunk made me think a bit more about Day 1 proceedings. What do we all think about the current town environment? Is it conducive to scum hunting? I am stuck in the middle. There have been a few contributions, but ultimately, there is still too much inactivity. Does anyone in their experience with this game have suggestions on how to stimulate discussions Day 1? | ||
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On December 19 2012 17:20 OmniEulogy wrote: Truthfully I'm more worried about anybody who thinks we should lynch lurkers without second thought. I definitely agree with this logic. I would like to add/re-enforce however; That lurkers should definitely come under scrutiny. Lurking is & will not be a free pass to fly under the radar. | ||
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On December 19 2012 17:42 OmniEulogy wrote: Honestly the only idea I can come up with as much as I hate to admit it (I'm a total newbie) is to try and either put pressure on somebody who hasn't been very active with posting, even if they are town we could get some interesting replies from other players or target Theesr for his comments on lurking. A player who doesn't want to add a lot to conversations or help scumhunt doesn't come across as being town to me, but I'm inexperienced so does anybody else have thoughts on the matter? Personally I'd love to know why he wants to lurk agree 100% If i haphazard a guess i would say he is concerned about being outwitted. I.e. Mafia or even town intentionally misconstruing his comments | ||
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On December 19 2012 18:48 Spaghetticus wrote: I'm not sure they meant to actually throw in your vote, these things normally start with a niggle of suspicion. Thanks for the support! Always appreciated. I wasn't concerned about the vote. At some stage everyone will have a vote cast against them. Its the nature of the game. Ultimately, all the items he raised (I should say re-quoted...), I had already refuted in previous posts. My concern was over shz sheeping others comments. Not sure if bad/lazy townie play, or mafia motives. [i.e. Need to read filters] For all of the lurker discussions going to and fro. I think its disconcerting to throw accusations without either evidence, or bringing any new thought process to the table. Either way, as Cakepie referenced before in his awesome (and ?sole?) post. On December 19 2012 11:52 cakepie wrote: Town must never clam up for fear of making mistakes -- 1. it is through discussion that we may hope to correct errors in reasoning; and 2. more importantly, in the event of a mislynch, it would leave trail for others to follow. Hence, a silent townie is a far more useless than a bad townie. I agree with this sentiment, and do not want to discourage people from making comments. We need a town environment where people are willing to speak up (CONSTRUCTIVELY!) | ||
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On December 19 2012 20:13 Aquanim wrote: Which accusations are you referring to here? Fair enough. Perhaps accusation is the wrong word. In context, I referenced the vote as an act of accusation. | ||
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This is starting to get interesting. A few people have now made their "pleas" - not to state innocence, but infer. I think enough bullsh!t is on the table to start getting info from the filters. Translation: A lot of lurkers are posting well-thought out responses, with one caveat. The content is all repeating what has been stated!! There is no circulation of NEW THOUGHT! | ||
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On December 19 2012 20:36 shz wrote: What is sheeping? ... Don't just refer to your posts, quote them if you think you refuted everything already. Sheeping in my opinion is blindly following the lead of others. As for you asking me to reference posts. [Even though most people will probably flame me for this] NO! ... Look it up yourself ... Rationale: (1) Lets look at your vote justification first. On December 19 2012 18:33 shz wrote: So if we need another wagon to jump, or not, to jump on: ##Vote: Mocsta Why? He/She did start a discussion, but I don't think that was all that useful, other than proving him being active and establish an alibi. Questions like the seafood one waste time and distract from substantial discussion. Also he/she is quite fast on "reading" someone as Town. Additionally he/she asked repeatedly about Mafia strategies. This is no way a waterproof case, but I think its a start and something we could work with. Your entire justification reads as a regurgitation of Day1 Activity in a flavour copied from another forum mafia site. Where is the critical analysis, you simply quote questions raised by others (OmniEulogy/Sylencia/Spagehtticus) To add icing to the cake, you then close by admitting your case is as creditable as a comb for a bald guy. Please remind me how this promotes a town atmospheric conducive to scum hunting (2) Lurking/Laziness If you ask me a new q | ||
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(2) If you ask me a new question, I will answer it. If you want to re-ask a question someone else answered, I am not going to bother. Especially with your vote justification. I can't tell if your too lazy to read the filters properly.. or you are trying to cause confusion. Either way, your not helping town. My vote is heading your way. ##Vote: Shz (This is in no way.. OMGUS).. i actually wanted to vote a lurker, but after re-reading the waterproof case comment, I think this is mafia trying to derail the town atmosphere. | ||
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