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On December 10 2012 01:29 JieXian wrote: /in in in in in in in in in ni shuo zhongwen ma | ||
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On December 10 2012 03:03 Dandel Ion wrote: One does not simply speak written Chinese. cool story Chinese grammar Nazi who clearly isn't even a native speaker. the alternative is one more syllable so everyone says shuo zhongwen smd | ||
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zhong Guo hua 3 | ||
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On December 10 2012 11:24 ShiaoPi wrote: Kushmasta 是一個白痴,亂用中文,真是的! cao nide | ||
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On December 10 2012 15:59 ShiaoPi wrote: You are missing something again, but /shrug I think I derailed it enough already called slang do you even chiense? | ||
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##vote dandel ion for getting owned at chinese then running away from the thread when he realized I owned him | ||
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only person I haven't played with is mr.zentor. What is your meta mr. zentor? | ||
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On December 10 2012 17:45 Aquanim wrote: I don't know about Zentor, but here's my meta for what it's worth. I wanted you to explain it. I did not want to have to read through some long game with you in it. | ||
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On December 10 2012 18:15 ShiaoPi wrote: also kush, if you want to kil dandel dont vote him :O Did you skim over my unvote, or are you using space for no reason with this? | ||
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On December 10 2012 21:43 Dandel Ion wrote: That was just a joke ![]() Traditional does look better, but I'm bad enough at reading as is, and trad too complicated. omg dandel is such a chinese noob it hurts.... They are equally hard to read. The difference is in writing. | ||
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Think of grammar police literally. Are you for or against grammar? Also why are you flaming? Flaming for no reason is a scumtell from you. (I remember marv saying this so does that give it more credibility?) Also you spelled grammar wrong. On December 10 2012 22:55 austinmcc wrote: You're going to dangle from today's noose like a ... dangling participle. If Chinese has those? Chinese doesn't have participles because words never change.. for plural or tense or anything. | ||
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On December 10 2012 23:07 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm legit concerned. My PM clearly says I win with town, but I'm not super sure how town wins. wait what... my pm explains very clearly how town wins. | ||
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Please explain how you didn't know that. | ||
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I have this presentation to prepare for so I will be on later. I think dandel is scum. Right now I'm planning on voting in whatever way will lead to a Dandel lynch. I want to hear non-scums' input. @dandelion Keep flaming bro. It totally makes you seem smart. | ||
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Don't you want someone scummier/lurkier to explain the win condition? Cause once I explain it we can't use it anymore. Also can you claim your flavor dandel? you already used your ability so I don't see the harm. | ||
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right now I'm thinking shiaopi is scum. I.find it odd that as I was beginning to understand that dandel was third party, shiaopi started to think dandel was scum. His reasoning doesn't make sense to me. @shiaopi what does petrify do? | ||
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##vote austin 1 kill shiaopi gogo | ||
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austin: do you realize that the flavor in this game is supremely fucked up? We know this from the random ass abilities people have been using. I'm not sure how much we can figure out from flavor claims. Also hosts will supply scum with fake claims if they need it sometimes. So I think Dandel is third party but he wins with town. | ||
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On December 12 2012 06:46 drazak wrote: you mean how I have the same scummy-lurky meta whether I'm town or scum? :D I hate it when scum turn out to be ignored lurkers. We should lynch you d1. | ||
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also how did i let myself get into a game with dp again...i promised myself never again | ||
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On December 14 2012 20:44 thrawn2112 wrote: kush sure hates getting nk'd ive never been nked by scum! | ||
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my rules this game: 1. I will never vote thrawn no matter how scummy he looks. I've been certain and wrong too many times. and I have to live with th regret every day of my life. 2. I will not be discussing game mechanics or setup or anything like that ever. It bores me also I always end up suggesting some really stupid shit. 3. I am going to advocate the systematic extermination of lurkers. Yup I want to lynch unreadables over scmreads. And lurking makes you unreadable and immune to all efforts at scumhunting. Fuck fake pressuring active people.by pretending we might vote them. IF there is a lurker I will push his lynch. | ||
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-djo does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts. | ||
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thurs night into Friday I had to do an allnighter. right after I had to go to work from 1pm to 10p and it was fucking busy because some bitch died. Now I have to work today 8 to 8. Also this upcoming week I have 4 finals. QQ over * Dear dp, Can you spam less please? Love, kush * My biggest scumread so far is djodref. I'm not going to make a big case because it's mostly a feel read at this point honestly. On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't what's really going on in this post is he is making it clear that the reason he brought up the witchcraft votes in the first place was because he thought it was something town would do, and he brought it up not because he cared but because he thought it would make him look town. The other part of my suspicion is how he reacted under pressure. in the last game I played with him he was town. There was a similar early bandwagon and he seemed like he didn't really give a shit. This game he responded to the bandwagon very attentively. Making lists and responding to everyone. His vote on hapa looked like a panic vote. * Hapa... I am concerned with this guy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he has a really good feel for dps meta and has caught scum dp many times. But I found his case on dp really underwhelming and reaching. And then he drops the tunnel because of something he read irc...really? * this game is full of lurkers, but I think most of them are going to get modkilled or replaced. I will vote for a lurker who is avoiding modkill, and right now this includes drazak and threesr. | ||
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DP is my biggest townread so far (yup fuck you djodref I said my townread). He seems genuinely concerned with finding scum, he's acting normal. I think when hes scum his personality changes. His posts seem louder as scum, if that makes sense (I know it probably doesn't lol). On December 16 2012 01:28 JieXian wrote: zentor is uncharacteristically timid this game how can you not see that Huh..his entrance was to vote himself. I don't see where you are getting timid from.. Is it just his lack or activity? | ||
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1 day, 20 pages, the vast majority or which is only 3 people. | ||
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spam is probably an exaggeration. | ||
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I thought drazak had less than he had and I retract my desire to lynch him | ||
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My scum reads, eh I'm first to admit those are usually wrong. But if we lynch a lurker we can't be wrong. | ||
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i don't pressure vote because I think its dumb. | ||
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Pressure on djo - you sheep hapa suspecting DP - you sheep hapa voting me - you sheep * 2 of the lurkers look like they are just gonna get straight up replaced - Eywa Mr cheesecake so we probably dont have to worry about them. Morbidus looks like he's starting to participate more now. JieXian has put pressure on Mr Zentor, who actually has virtually no content Threesr might be replaced he is doing so little. If he's not replaced I'm gonna be worried. Mr. Zentor is the scariest lurker for me right now. So when you look at it, the lurker issue really isn't that bad this game. So thrawn, when you say lurkers are making this game "unplayable" that is kinda bs. | ||
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On December 16 2012 11:18 Hapahauli wrote: @ Kush Wait the fuck? You just got done talking to me about how you wanted to lynch an assortment of lurkers, we have 4-5 players under 5 posts, and lurking isn't a problem? I don't want to lynch an assortment of lurkers. You misunderstand me. I want to lynch everyone I consider unreadable due to lurking, and I hope that is as few people as possible. Under 5 posts doesn't mean you are a lurker. Over 5 posts doesn't mean you aren't a lurker. It's all about the content of those posts. Like right now the only lurkers I really want to lynch is Mr Zentor and threesr. And that will change if they post more. Except threesr because i know he's not going to post more... he said he even said he was gonna do a lurker strat lol | ||
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On December 15 2012 06:23 MrZentor wrote: Hi and stuff. On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote MrZentor Because I can. On December 15 2012 13:40 MrZentor wrote: I generated more discussion than you could have ever hoped for. Be thankful. On December 15 2012 23:21 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote JieXian On December 16 2012 02:02 MrZentor wrote: Okay, I think I've established my townieness. I should be more or less actually helpful from now on. On December 16 2012 07:19 MrZentor wrote: I think "Lurking is the most effective scum strategy for its difficulty," would be a more accurate statement. On December 16 2012 08:28 MrZentor wrote: KILL HIM KILL HIM NOW On December 16 2012 11:33 MrZentor wrote: I'm not a lurker, kush..... yes you are. On December 16 2012 11:36 Hapahauli wrote: So why don't you want to lynch JieXian then? He's far more lurky than MrZ. No he's really not. Is this a matter of not comparing their filters or do you genuinely believe this? It's like you are just looking at the post count and nothing else. | ||
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Why did you feel to make THREE mega cases at this stage in the game? | ||
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I see a lot of effort from both of them to be involved in this game. * We need to start focusing on who we are going to lynch, since im pretty sure we have to lynch in 4.5 hours. There are actually more lurkers than I would there would be yesterday.. this is because people either haven't kept their promise to be active or have started posting minimally to avoid a modkill. THREESR: I think he's gonna get replaced, so we should ignore him for now. As I see it, these are the acceptable options: DOYOUHAS: This guy's posts are decently long, but I didn't even know he existed until I looked at the player list. He is invisible. He is a lurker who is putting some effort into not looking like a lurker. MORBIDUS: classic lurker Bad options: ENYA: fuuu i thought he was gonna get replaced but he's talking for now. Not the best choice IMO because he looks ready to contribute now. CHEESECAKE: Also looks ready to start contributing more. NOTE: If threesr comes back in the thread to avoid a modkill then he goes on the lynch list. | ||
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On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote: Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. That is a scumhunting strategy. He is pressuring people. For that reason you want to lynch the strongest town in this game? | ||
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I still think morbidus is the best though | ||
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1 Scumreads are at their weakest d1. Lynching a town hapa would be terrible for town, because of how useful of an asset he can be. 2 No on agrees with you, so that lynch is just not going to happen today. | ||
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On December 17 2012 02:09 Morbidius wrote: You are seriously going places with your lurker hunt, can you tell me why you think random lynching would be a better option over voting on JX or MrZ? because they are active so if they are scum we can catch them later. (whereas people are understandably reluctant to lynch lurkers after d1) loud noobs are terrible lynches d1. It's town to put yourself out there like that. Also shit they do may look scummy, "IM OBV TOWN GUYS THAT IS PROVEN BEYOND DOUBT NOW - MZ" but that could also easily be explained by noobness. | ||
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On December 17 2012 02:14 Eywa- wrote: 1. You're running an assumption that he is a town 2. If it doesn't happen today, then the town still has 3 more days to get something right before they lose. I'm not running under that assumption. He is the strongest town player in this game that is a fact. (you suck dp). If we lynch him, the next 3 days will be harder. There is no where near enough evidence to call him scum. I have no idea what his scumplay looks like but he looks town to me. Originally I was concerned with his bad cases but then I realized what he was doing and it no longer seemed scummy. | ||
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On December 17 2012 02:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Apparently, you are running that assumption? that he is the strongest town player yes so he is a terrible idea for d1 lynch. not that he is town this game. | ||
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We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch. Who are teh viable lynches at this point? Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? | ||
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also don't wait for a response because you might not get one before lynch | ||
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I played with him a lot and his town meta is to be an indecisive sheeper. Never seen his as scum though so I don't know what that would look like though. | ||
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IMO morbidus, threesr, doyouhas which shall we lynch? i vote for THREESR. He came back with the most lurkery thing ever. Self proclaimed lurker. Will lurk the whole game. We should lynch. | ||
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Threesr is literally going to post 1 sentence a day, and we are never going to get a better read on him. | ||
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On December 17 2012 04:54 Hapahauli wrote: Heya folks, just catching up at the moment - any requests? I have a request for you hapa. Look at DYH filter real quick. In a way he is the scariest lurker of all. | ||
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On December 17 2012 05:00 Hapahauli wrote: DYH is rather lurky, but I've rather liked some of the stuff he's posted. I think he has a chance of flipping scum, but no more than some of the other players who have magically showed up as of late. But DYH hasn't showed up. He posted what he posted just enough to be not considered a lurker then proceeded to lurk. Also what do you like in there?? It's like I read it and I instantly forget what I've read because it's all just so shitty in such a boring an inconsequential way. | ||
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People don't want to vote Threesr because he has been so open about being a lurker and not reading, etc. But I am here to tell you THAT IS NOT A TOWN TELL. I know him really well. He is my best friend. I told him about TL forum mafia but I did not tell him to join this game because I played a game with him before on OMGUS.net and he lurked hard. Anyway, he really doesn't give a fuck about what he says. He is extremely capable of saying that shit as either scum or mafia, it's really not a tell either way. ##unvote ##vote threesr gogo | ||
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On December 17 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: OH WOW IM FUCKING SURPRISED lol so what are we going to do about threesr? just pray that he is town and ignore him? | ||
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On December 17 2012 06:08 threesr wrote: hi everyone im going to start reading posts more frequently now and stuff oh shit ninjaed . i look forward to this | ||
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@thrawn are you still without a scum game? | ||
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On December 17 2012 09:37 Djodref wrote: Mario Mini Mafia for both. You can find the link in my profile. I was aslo mafia in this one if you are interested. in this one? | ||
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On December 17 2012 09:45 thrawn2112 wrote: djo and kush... could both of you comment on eywa? i think it's shit. And i don't get why hapa is basically telling him to fuck off every time he responds | ||
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Am I wrong djo? | ||
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2, 3 of your case are all about things he didn't do leading up to the lynch. 2 he ignored yoru defense 3 he didn't push his reads enough 4 his prediction of the mislynch and then gloating about how his prediction was right You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you. Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? | ||
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Thrawn how are you so sure that hapa is town? | ||
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On December 17 2012 11:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And a single person has yet to agree with you... I do. fuck off cheese. fuxk off hapa. fuck off thrawn. kush and ewya townbros4life. we scumslip 2gether we die together | ||
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djo is scum...more tomorrow. hapa or thrawn one of those is prob scum. one of the more quiet lurker people, one of those is probably scum.. I'm thinking dhs maybe jx. | ||
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I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie. Exhibit B: In which Ewya says im town On December 17 2012 11:46 Eywa- wrote: Any scum would have to be out of their mind to side with me right now given how hot of a target I am... I don't see how it can help them... Kush is a civilian (but of course, you can lynch him too given that civilians seem to want to lose around here). This is just one of many examples of his use of the word citizen. Ewya says CITIZEN when he means town and TOWNIE when he means player. Remember this is his first forum mafia game. The only experience he has had is IRL mafia. | ||
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On December 17 2012 14:36 thrawn2112 wrote: kush that is an awful defense, and it's the exact same one you used in the newbie game where you scumslipped. townie does not = player. townie = townie. thrawn it's not the same exact thing. I was arguing specifically about his usage of the word civilian. ok i'm wrong though but i felt like a genius when i thought of it :'( | ||
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guess what. all activity I promised tomorrow is hereby postponed until Tuesday. Sorry. | ||
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@Jiexian WHY DO YOU HATE ME DUDE? What did I even do to you? I even sent you that awesome song in PM. And every fucking post it seems like, all you can talk about is how dumb I am... like wtf why are you flaming me? | ||
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Also when should witch's claim? Not really up on all the mechanics stuff. K im gonna go take a final now. 69 percent chance of failure. | ||
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Scum almost never kill the most obv nk because they think he might be protected. | ||
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On December 18 2012 07:01 Hapahauli wrote: Why the jack shit am I not dead. This might be the scummiest thing you have said so far this game. | ||
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I've had a lot of shitting going on in the past two days. Finals (which did not go well at all.) Also I had sex with a virgin sunday night and now she wants to spend every waking hour with me, so that's why I've been lurking hardcore yesterday. As of now I do not have a great hold on recent events in this thread. @hapa: nah I don't think it's that scummy, that thing i said was super scummy. I thought you meant it like, omg im so surprised they didn't kill me. But as you explained it, like fuck me I'm still it this game, it makes sense and I can sympathize! In my skimming I notice that you have been doing a lot of flip flopping on ewya. Why is that? Also as I catch up throughout the next several hours, is there anything people want me to address? | ||
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megaposts don't make you town. I played with him when he was scum once. I will not let him fool me again. His scumstrat is to drown out his scumminess with a sea of shit. ##vote djodreff I also suspect jx, dhs. Don't have time to poet more now. I will later. sorry. | ||
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and I admit and appoligize for my uselessness . like I said irl issues I'm dealing which should be gone tonight. | ||
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I really think Mr z is town. anti town, yes, but not in a scummy way. also hapa I remembered you saying you think you were shot by a silver bullet. Are you sure? and have the witches claimed yet? | ||
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My lack of scumhunting, yeah but that's not because I don't have ideas. I could write a good case against djodreff I know that. Just no time. Yeah I have a few minutes now but not enough to read through his filter and compose something convincing. I am on a cell phone and its hard. Oh and djo keep making those large text announcements it totally makes you looks town bro. Also to the people saying either me or djo is town, just for future reference I always bus as scum, so we could definitely both be scum. :p | ||
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Also these past few days it wasn't just finals. It was finals PLUS sex with a virgin and the subsequent time I had to spend with her. The truth is since Sunday night I have only been skimming this game. And that means going through the pages very quickly, skipping the long stuff. So someone help me please. Who are the current possibilities for lynch so I can look through their filters and form an opinion, because I finally gave time today. | ||
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1. case on thrawn - understandable. I would have thought the same thing if I didn't know thrawn's meta 2. sheeps hapa on ewya (I think.. it's hard to tell if someone sheeps in filters) 3. gets into spammy arguments 4. admits he doesn't have much time to play well 5. sheeps hapa on DYH eh nothing too townie or scummy here. The real read comes from meta. Specifically this one game i played with him, NMM whatever, in which I was viged night 1 as town. I followed the game closely after I was killed though. meta read: from the one game I played with him, in which he was scum, there does seem a difference in personality. He seems realer this game--more like genuine self. There is more rage, his posts aren't as clean. For instance, a post like this would have seemed so out of place in his scumplay: On December 17 2012 10:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Yes I am totes mafia. Also, I was lurking. sup? Next I will do DYH. He looked scummy to me before but I haven't looked at him in forever. | ||
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On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote: But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out. He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter. I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch. Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. | ||
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On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote: Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... dat fake rage | ||
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Like im gonna act so scum that everyone will think no scum would be dumb enough to act like this. Not really that into lynching DYH today because he's not that much a lurker anymore, and his case against mr z looks good and another reason I'll get into later. ATM i want to look at mr z. brb after goign through his filter. | ||
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On December 20 2012 04:33 MrZentor wrote: Kush, I don't play scum like you. I play scum like me. And this isn't how I play scum. how do you play scum? | ||
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I got a green check on dyh for scrying. could definitely still be scum but it's less likely. And his newer stuff does have more effort. | ||
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On December 20 2012 05:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: That check could easily be faked Kush trying to save his scumbuddy. Nobody else claims to have voted Kush... LOL cheese...then woulnd't other people tomorrow claim to be elected and I'd be fucked? | ||
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1 his cases are built on terrible terrible reasoning 2 he knew 100% morbidus wasn't scum..how could town know that?? 3 extreme lack of content apart from 1 liners (even worse than me and I have 2 really good excuses) 4 process of elimination He kind of reminds me of Dandelion scum. I'd love to lynch djo but I don't think it's realistic today ;_; I'm saving my sick case that will totally convince everyone for tomorrow. Cause there is just so much scumminess hidden in so much bullshit that it's going to take forever to compile all that shit. On December 19 2012 00:18 JieXian wrote: sorry for repeating myself but in the spirit of keeping things in 1 place, thrawn's death solves his problem of having to deliver his promise = to push for him now ok goodbye everyone going to practice. Let's not forget hapa's blue shot thing. There's really no WIFOM case here, unlike thrawn's death. Fact: Everyone thinks hapa and dp are a strong townie except for me and eywa given how they sheeped them and defended hapa when eywa had a case against him D1 Fact : People have voted for the strong townie - DP Fact : the number of candidates are really small given the huge number of players who were considered lurkers, whom none trusts Fact : Nobody can come up with a sensible advantage for mafia not to have vigi shot (and also NK) hapa | ||
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On December 20 2012 05:47 Hapahauli wrote: Also kush, did you breadcrumb your check on DYH? no i thought about it but then thought it would be dumb because scum could breadcrumb just as easily | ||
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On December 20 2012 05:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: But why did you even check DYH? Not someone else like me or Eywa. This seems awfully convenient I checked him because I was super sure he was lurker scum. and I thought you are ewya were town. | ||
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It's hard to defend someone when they are scummy like that tho... | ||
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On December 19 2012 00:24 JieXian wrote: Djo = kush already took offence for my attitude against him and I'm not going to do it again in the spirit of the game because he can't take it and broke down for real (and I don't blame him for it). he broke down for real lol... who breaks down for real from forum mafia | ||
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On December 20 2012 06:30 MrZentor wrote: Switch to Hap? LOL ##unvote ##vote dyh I would have been better off masoning | ||
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Naysayers prepare yourself for the sickest most convincing case ever tomorrow. I know djodreffs scum meta very well and I know he is scum. I voted thrawn, dp, mrz. | ||
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On December 20 2012 11:00 Djodref wrote: I agree that Drazak has the most chances to flip scum right now. How can anyone think this??? Drazak is just a big unknown pretty much to me. | ||
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On December 20 2012 14:42 Djodref wrote: And Kush has failed to answer me, AGAIN ! sorry I didn't mean to do this. its just that I read the thread, share whatever quick thoughts I have, then leave pretty much. Also I can't answer your question because I have no idea really. I thought he was scum, then I got this shitty dt check which showed with 66 percent certainty that he was town. The fuck am I supossed to dp with that information? The case on you is coming today djo, before night ends, don't worry. -fluff- I am at my college now because I thought my final was today. Turns out it was yesterday and I missed it. So now I'm just sitting here really depressed . | ||
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I'm going to make this meta comparison easy for you guys: here is a d1 megapost from town djo: So this a djo case as town. TOWM + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2012 14:07 Djodref wrote: I'm betting that you didn't really notice him because this guys is sure blending in First of all, I would like to say that Clarity is non-committal with his reads. Please have a look at the different posts in the following spoiler. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2012 18:43 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't think it's directed at you specifically, but it's interesting that you think it is. The reason Cheese said to not drop the newbie card is because it's not town behavior. When you are town you want people to believe you, if you come out of the gate saying you're awful and no one should listen to you then that's anti-town. It also prevents scum from using "omg sorry I'm just new!", the less excuses scum have available the better for town. My reads at this point in time: Obzy: Leaning slightly town. He hasn't quite come out of his shell yet but he seems genuinly interested in discussion and progressing. @ Obzy Do you think you can get over this "I'm new" thing and give us the best reads you've got? Instead of posting something that's obvious to everyone perhaps post something that stands out to you. _ Rad: Null. He's being more careful than last game, lurking a bit more. He mentioned he would be more careful, but not in pregame, he did this after the role PMs were sent. He also seems really invested in helping Obzy out as he's the newest, the only one here who wasn't in XXIX. @ Rad Why the interest in Obzy? Are you going to use MLG as an excuse at any point this weekend? _ Alsn: Leaning slightly scum, very little info about him though. He opened super aggressive this game, which is the opposite of how he played in the majority of XXIX. Perhaps the only reason he snapped at debears so hard is because debears said @ Alsn Why the change in behavior from last game? What do you think of debears at this point? _ Mr Cheesecake: Null. He went SUPER defensive when he was called out about making a ton of jokes, but that discussion got blown way out of proportion. The fact that he's acting more like the way he was in mafia QT XXIX than in the actual XXIX thread is indicative of town. @ Cheese You did have some jokes in the XXIX thread. Can you tell us if these were jokes for the sake of jokes or if you used them to push a scum agenda? An argument can be made for both. _ Djodref: Leaning slightly scum, He was obsessed with policy. Everyone was ready to move on but he kept mentioning it over and over. He's also the person that blew up the whole *Cheese's scum joke* thing, which bogged us down for a couple of pages. @ Djodref If you had to lynch someone right now, would it be da0ud or someone else? _ Debears: Null. Regardless of if he's scum or town, he is getting the ball rolling which is good for us. Problem is... that was what he was doing in XXIX as well and he was scum in that. Older games suggest this is simply his meta so there is no read to be made about his opening. What I'm curious about is if he's going to pull a vanishing act in D2 / D3 again. @ Debears What's your ready on Obzy? _ Sylverfire: Null. Only have 3 real posts to read him on. He opened really aggressive onto debears, even though he's keeping the ball rolling, an odd choice. He showed up way late but Rad pointed out that he is sticking to the same schedule he's had in previous games. @ Sylverfire You've only shared your read on debears, is there anything else that stands out to you? _ So with all that said, I only have two slight scumreads on Alsn and Djo, so I hope they defend themselves as soon as possible. Even if we end up lynching da0ud for lurking, currently with 0 posts, we can at least gather as much information as possible Hopefully this gets some discussion going, please comment on as much as possible in my post and point out any flaws. Do no avoid answering the questions I addressed to you, it would be a very scummy thing to do. This post is full of null reads or slight reads, it speaks for itself. On November 03 2012 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote: My two weak scumreads are still you and Alsn, but that's what they are... weak. My post is simply to gather as much info as possible. I will end up making a case before the day is over, but I figured giving this thread a good kick would help. Weak scumreads on Alsn on me On November 04 2012 04:38 Clarity_nl wrote: <snip> I am no longer suspect of Alsn, at least not as much. Although he seems to have a hard on for debears and djo he's making decent points and trying to further conversation. Debears... I'm not quite sure. The stubbornness about sylver's post where he said he has a lot of fluff really shouldn't have been that big of a deal, he just couldn't let it go. Maybe Rad is on to something. Drops Alsn and is wishy washy about debears Then Clarity is also using double-standards, he has being reproaching Rad not to scumhunt but have you seen Clarity scumhunting ? You might argue that he has put pressure on daoud but he has conveniently done it while it was Saturday night in Hong Kong. And given daoud lurky habits, it's an easy target to attack. Clarity has been defensive when I was trying to give him advice after his post with his reads. The point I really don't like in his reaction is the fact that he said that he didn't make a list. Regarding the plurality lynch, we have individually to focus on our scum reads but town in general should not focus on only two players. By the way, you have failed to put pressure on me or Alsn, but we were your scum reads. In conclusion FoS Clarity Now this is this game's equivalent: SCUM + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2012 12:50 Djodref wrote: JieXan First of all, I liked DYH latest case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote: @DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again. I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now. His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ. A behavior read. An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM. Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start? Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. And then just proceeds to tunnel MrZ, which has not given us so much to work from. Right now, I think that JieXan has the most chances to flip scum. Hence my vote. ##Vote Jiexan READ BOTH there is a distinct difference. Even though he is incorrect in the town post, there is a lot more certainty in the tone of the case. Town djo thinks his cases are right. Scum djo knows they are wrong. | ||
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last game i was sure DP was scum but everyone thought I was wrong and told me to stfu, so i did. BUT I WAS RIGHT | ||
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On December 21 2012 06:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Kush, I don't much like meta cases to begin with, but the comparison of the two cases reads kinda null for me. The second post does seem to use a few more 'buts' and 'kind ofs' but still has that strong overtone where he bolds stuff like weird and scummy. Also, he's flammed with Eywa and wants to lynch JX and Draz... who's his scumbud?. show me a game where scum dont fake flame each other. Scum need to do this esp as the game gets smaller. | ||
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Djo's behavior gets scummier and scummier the closer to the lynch it is. This is about d1 lynch: On December 16 2012 13:46 Djodref wrote: For the moment, I want to lynch JieXan today. I wouldn't mind lynching MrZ or Kush as well, but I'm less confident in these lynches. If we cannot consolidate on them, we have to lynch a lurker/inactive player. Here are now my candidates to a policy lynch
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On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote: Kush is most certainly scum I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush. GG guys, Y u no concede ? That SAME day he posts this later: On December 18 2012 16:01 Djodref wrote: meh.. Right now, I would lynch Kush over DYH. I really think he has more chances to flip scum than DYH. I really need to see more from DYH and drazak though... Notice the reluctance against lynching DYH here. "meh" lol. Also he was SOOO sure about Ewya but completely sheeps hapa's reversal on the matter. | ||
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The following quotes are leading up to the d2 lynch. They demonstrate his reluctance to lynch DYH. On December 19 2012 10:51 Djodref wrote: yeah, I'm here ! Among these three, I would say that Kush is the most likely to flip scum. I'm totally up to lynch him today and I'm getting tired that Jx, MrZ and Eywa are dismissing my cases. I feel like DYH is the less likely to flip scum. I really want to hear more from him. And on somebody else than MrZ... Regarding drazark, I was null on him so far. I'll come back to you after reading his filter one more time. More DYH love: On December 19 2012 12:19 Djodref wrote: Yeah, but right now, for me, it would be a lurker lynch. And I think that he is really less likely to flip scum than Kush or even Drazak. I mean, he has at least tried to scumhunt, and I understand that you could consider MrZ to be scum, I have some doubts myself. And I don't like at the fact that MrZentor refuses to comment on Kush and drops his vote on DYH in a OMGUS way. I would like to give him a chance to participate more. Djo really doesn't want to lynch DYH... On December 19 2012 15:30 Djodref wrote: By the way, Hapa, I still really prefer a Kush lynch to a DYH lynch. How can I convince you to switch your vote to Kush ? Oh he's willing to vote DYH..but only if everyone else does. On December 19 2012 16:05 Djodref wrote: I could support a DYH lynch if you need to consolidate, but in the meantime I'll try to push my lynch on Kush. He shouldn't have tried to go after me, I'm not an easy mislynch anymore, like in NMM XXIX ! I'm also peacing out I have RL stuff to do. I'll try to stay up tonight... K finally he votes DYH, but it was totally his idea ("for the reasons given in his list above") On December 20 2012 03:23 Djodref wrote: Bleh, you guys are the most stubborn idiots I have ever played with. It's time to consolidate, because town is going pants on head once again. I'm voting DYH for the reasons given in my list above... ##Unvote ##Vote DYH | ||
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On December 21 2012 08:02 Hapahauli wrote: Is that everything on Djo or is there more? I mean it's good enough as is, but any icing would be nice. how many ways would you like me to prove 1+1=2? The problem is his filter is long and time consuming. So yeah I'm done. | ||
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Now that I made the case, I'm suddenly your biggest scumread again? Also I find it weird that you can find all these quotes from me yet you can't even attempt to defend yourself? | ||
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I made the best case in this game by far, and honestly it had nothing to do with my analysis or logic. The only contribution from me was actually going through his filter, because his quotes spoke for themselves..he is that fucking scummy. If that wasn't enough, there's his reaction, which is basically a scumclaim. His personality changes entirely. He seems angry and panicked. I go from being not his top scumread before the case to being OMG MUST DESTROY after it. The case is damning, like you said earlier, but its his reaction that makes him confirmed scum. Cheesecake I just realized that my defense of him was total balls. It was entirely based on the meta of his first mafia game. So on my agenda is a closer look at cheesecake, which will probably happen later in the day. | ||
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worked until 8. came home to power outage for like 2 hours..that's my excuse I was going to look into cheesecake's filter but now everyone is abandoning my djo wagon! wtf Do I really have to respond to cheesecake's terribad case on me? Also are you guys really not voting djo even after that scumclaim response to my case? @hapa your case against ewya is pretty convincing, especially now that DYH has flipped. Also for the first time I actually understand why you keep juxtaposing those two quotes and calling it a scumslip lol. But the same thing as always stands in the way of me buying it, and that is my undying belief that djo is scum. I've been tunneling him from the first wagon in the beginning of the game, and while other people have dropped their suspicion, i have just been watching him and my conviction grows stronger with every post he makes. Like usually when you tunnel someone you start having doubts, but I have never had any doubts. If djo flips town then yeah I say lynch ewya next. But from how they treat each other it doesn't look like they are both scum. | ||
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Tomorrow before lynch I will delve into djo's filter. Yes I will go deeper. And harder. There is more to his scumminess than what you describe. The case against him is way better than the case against Ewya. We are lynching Djo. It doesn't matter if you are or aren't on board because everyone else will be. ? Also how can you be 95% sure he's town... like what the fuck man.. you said it was "pretty damning" what happened to that??? | ||
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cool you wrote some long shit with a table of contents. cool. The amount of effort you put into something doesn't make the person you decided was scum 5 days ago more scummy. | ||
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fuck that is pretty scummy. is ewya/djodref possible? attempt at defense 3 -He realized cheesecake was not a viable lynch because no one else wanted to lynch him. Therefore, he put his vote on someone else to at least make it useful. -(mr z was possibly his second scumread, possibly the scummiest person he thought had a chance of being lynched). Also maybe Mr Zs actions near the lynch made Ewya think he was scum. -The witchcraft vote for Mr Z was done WAY earlier, so just because Mr Z was a town read a long time ago when he voted, doesn't mean Mr Z would still be a town read. -Inconsistency is not a scum trait. 4 -no idea | ||
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djo/cheesecake djo/hapa and that is discounting the possibility of a bus | ||
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yeah though hapa is almost conf town for his behavior leading up to the DYH lynch | ||
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##vote eywa happy cheesecake? Did i mention I had sex yet? | ||
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well my case against you involved shit from you filter so i had to read through your filter. it took about an hour to do it, maybe more. | ||
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On December 22 2012 15:11 Djodref wrote: Yeah, but that also means that you have been calling me scum all game without knowing why. I had a hunch from the beginning of the game when you were obsessed with witchhunters and you said OMG GUYS NO TOWN READS. Then you yourself confirmed my bias with your consistently scummy posts. | ||
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I'm seeing how it can be a possiblity. Djodref only goes on eywa AFTER hapa does. Then he leaves eywa very quickly without any fuss at all. Djo's relation to eywa: out of literally no where he says this after a case on me: On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote: Kush is most certainly scum I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush. GG guys, Y u no concede ? Possibly at this point he thought an Eywa lynch was inevitable, and it certainly looked like that at the time. Then he votes Eywa. His reasons sound like they are justifying a policy lynch. On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote: ##Vote Eywa Doesn't even take time to read a case. Town atmosphere = shit constructive discussion = 0 Then he unvotes Eywa very quickly just because he starts participating more. | ||
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On December 23 2012 00:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: That's what he always said when i tunneled him as scum, nitpicking :p So you are saying when he was TOWN, he used to word nitpicking to defend himself? | ||
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On December 23 2012 01:48 Djodref wrote: No you didn't address them. For example, you never explained your obsession of the lurkers for day1. I'm not on computer so I cannot find all the things you didn't address and all the questions you didn't answer, but there are too many of them in this game. yes I did. I observed a game on ms where mafia won by lurking. And it looked like the easiest thing in the world and there was nothing town could do but roll the dice. | ||
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Because when I first hard defended him honestly I was just saying shit not really thinking that hard. It was based on a feel read and the fact that you jumped on his wagon very easily. About the feel read: I didn't think first time scum could play scum in the manner he was playing. But it's probably a bad idea to assume shit like that. | ||
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On December 23 2012 06:00 Djodref wrote: Remember that you always read me wrong... sick argument dude. let me give you an anecdote. I got in a shit ton of accidents but every time I crashed (totaled 2 cars) i became a better driver. Now I haven't gotten into an accident in like 6 years. Do you see where I'm going with this? | ||
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Someone tell me this: If djo is scum and cheesecake is his scumbud, then why would cheesecake keep saying shit like "If eywa doesn't flip red, then lynch me and djo right after." If he is scum he knew eywa was going to flip green, so why would he take that line of reasoning? | ||
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Cheesecake/djo does not feel right. Cheesecake's hard defense of djo definitely has scum motivation, but it's not a scum-like thing to do. This shit with you jking me and preventing a NK. It rubs me the wrong way. -If I were scum hands down I would kill ghost. Confirmed town at this stage of the game is huge. -You are wrong about ghost flipping green confirms you green. Hypothetically if you are red and ghost is green, what else would you do? You wouldn't call him red if he's green. | ||
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##vote no lynch | ||
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I never joined his bandwagon because I didn't want to lynch him... he was just a bad choice for d1 lynch. You wanted to lynch thrawn lol. Um d1 I was trying to get people to consolidate. I wanted to vote DYH but because of the amount of content he had, no one else would. @cheesecake, I concede. I concede that you are retarded. | ||
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>>BIG FILTERS DO NOT MAKE YOU TOWN<< I played with scum hapa once in LC. The only reason he died was because of the weak medic role (medic who dies if they protect scum). He looked very town and was very active. And that was his FIRST scum game. So there is a good reason to fear scum hapa. And if djo flips green, how are you green by association? | ||
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On December 25 2012 03:17 Djodref wrote: Can you confirn that you didn't vote anything before 15:46 ? Are you ok with the plan ? yes I'm ok with the plan. no I'm not ok with everyone thinking I'm scum if you flip town. yeah I didn't vote anyone | ||
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But the plan seems so be pretty good to me. Here are the people who will possibly get witchcraft: cheesecake or ghost. If they BOTH claim witchcraft we know one of ghost or cheesecake is scum. If only one claims witchcraft we know if djo is scum or town, depending on which one claims. The plan works to figure out djo's alignment. | ||
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^good question. cheesecake same question to you. | ||
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true or false? | ||
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On December 27 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: Activity is non-alignment indicative to a degree. However, 20+ pages of filter however's pretty alignment indicative. I can tell you from personal scum experience no it's really not. | ||
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On December 27 2012 05:59 Hapahauli wrote: Name me one scum game that went over 20 pages. The only one I've seen was marv's in Hero. k so i know how to win against you if i ever get scum thanks | ||
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In the beginning of the game you said, and I paraphrase,"Im fucking awesome guys but my only weakness is I always think active people are town." Then you proceeded to use activity for every town read and also your own defense. | ||
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Think about it cheesecake, he cant suspect you, because that would violate the rules of his own defense. 20 page filter = town remember. So if he entertains the possibility that you are scum, he opens up the door to the possibility of him being scum as well. This line of thinking is entirely moot, however, if djo flips town. | ||
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notice how he is totally afk at this point. that's a scum claim. can we move on please? not saying there's any rush since we have like a million years but yeah djo is scum end of discussion. | ||
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On December 27 2012 06:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Kush + JX If you're both town and think Hapa is scum, vote for Djo right now for witchcraft. Both of you. If you guys are town, djo wins the election and I don't. @cheesecake a few words about your thought process behind this last minute retardation? | ||
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^^ I love the plan guys yayyyy ^^ | ||
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so you were going to elect no one as witch, since no one had the majority vote. what you actually wanted was to abstain instead of vote no one. djo and I were counting on no one getting witchcraft. but jx made fixed that problem and fooled me into thinking the no one/abstain thijg didn't work | ||
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He contributed in the best way possibly without having to read the whole thing. And he was right about everything.. those lynch stats should have been paid more attention to. | ||
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actually I am the idiot because we would have won the game if i just remembered to nk ghost tonight. | ||
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I had to work overnight the night before so my sense of time was all messed up that is my excuse. DJO did you know that when you die that doesn't mean you lose??? selfish arrogant bad scumplay from djo i am mad. | ||
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On December 28 2012 23:27 Djodref wrote: You were playing like a selfish retard all game... no? 1 i tried to save DYH and would have saved him if people were actually in the thread 2 i did save you fact of mafia: scum must bust unless town is a total failure. you have way too much ego | ||
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On December 29 2012 04:55 DoYouHas wrote: Agreed MrCc. With the exceptions of Hapa, DP, Thrawn, and maybe MrZ, this game should be looked back on as a cautionary tale. Trying to justify bad play after the fact isn't helping anyone to learn from their mistakes. what bad play is being justified? | ||
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