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Why not?
Hapa should be dead. He's not
That means one of the following
1. He is town and didn't get blue
a. This is one possibility, and if this is true, there's nothing wrong with us revealing who voted for him.
2. He is town and got blue, the the mafia haven't tried to shoot him.
a. But this doesn't make sense, because it is more likely that Hap got blue than DP, so the mafia would naturally try to shoot him first.
3. He is mafia and got blue, but heis lying about it, so he doesn't get caught.
a. This is another possibility, and we can see if this is true or not by everybody claiming if they voted for him or not.
So basically, we can tell if he's scum or not by revealing our votes, and it's unlikely mafia can do anything about it.
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Exactly, everybody who voted for Hapa should reveal their vote.
I did not vote for Hapa.
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Yeah, and if scum lie and say they voted for you, we kill you, and you're innocent, then the pool of suspects will have narrowed greatly.
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If Hapa is town, then Scum took two shots.
If he is scum, they probably only took one.
It's pretty simple.
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On December 18 2012 02:31 Djodref wrote:
This is too much speculation, even for me guys...
Anyway, I'm never going to reveal my votes before the beginnig of D3, and even then I would be reluctant. You are being very stupid talking about this openly because you might endanger the other blues.
Think about it and just give up these ideas forever
-you guys are going to miss DP and Morbidius votes in the count
-mafia is going to lie about there votes and fuck you up
-other blues are in danger
I'll try to get some sleep. I'll wake up to post a case.
The only blue that would possibly be in danger is Hapa, and if he were blue, then he would already be dead.
Your advice is very broad, and you're not looking at the current situation, in which it would be best for everybody to reveal if they voted for Hapa or not.
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On December 18 2012 02:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Or Mafia decided to wait to kill hapa, or maybe he didnt get the blue role.
Witchhunter can shoot at ANY time. It didn't have to be right then.
Seriously, so much fucking wifom.
1. Mafia would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP. DP is dead, therefore if Hapa is town, mafia already tried to shoot him.
2. If he didn't get a blue role, there is no harm in us revealing our votes for him.
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From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.
Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).
So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.
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I hope you don't honestly believe that.
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On December 18 2012 02:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote:
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.
Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).
So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him. Again, it depends on what the mafia are trying to do. DP was a good witchcraft target, and apparently they were correct. They might have been afraid Hapa didn't get the votes because he was obvs town and decided not to shoot. I'm not saying it isn't the likely course of action, I'm saying it's really not concrete evidence. Scum want to fuck with your head.
No, they want to kill Blues with their silver bullets. If Hapa is town, then he has already been shot by the witch hunter, so there is no reason why we shouldn't reveal who voted for him and who didn't.
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No, only say if you voted for Hapa or not.
We don't want to put other blues in danger, because it is possible that Hapa is scum, and therefore, scum has another silver bullet.
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Kush, Eywa,and JieXian, did you guys vote for Hapa?
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Thrawn, did you vote for Hapa?
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It's not.
You would have known it's not had you been reading the last few pages.
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And drazerk doesn't understand what we're trying to do, so he panics and tries to stop it.
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And thrawn doesn't understand either.
+ Show Spoiler +We are only finding out if Hapa is blue or not. If he is town, then he is no extra danger, because then scum would have already used both of their bullets. If he is scum, then we have caught a scum.
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I hate having to repeat myself, so here.
Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:12 MrZentor wrote:On December 17 2012 02:18 kushm4sta wrote:On December 17 2012 02:09 Morbidius wrote:
You are seriously going places with your lurker hunt, can you tell me why you think random lynching would be a better option over voting on JX or MrZ? because they are active so if they are scum we can catch them later. (whereas people are understandably reluctant to lynch lurkers after d1) loud noobs are terrible lynches d1. It's town to put yourself out there like that. Also shit they do may look scummy, "IM OBV TOWN GUYS THAT IS PROVEN BEYOND DOUBT NOW - MZ" but that could also easily be explained by noobness. I think only a noob would think saying something like "IM OBV TOWN GUYS THAT IS PROVEN BEYOND DOUBT NOW" is scummy. Remember, scum want to fit into the crowd; they want to imitate a regular townie's behavior, because in doing that, they are safest from getting killed. Doing things like saying "IM OBV TOWN" doesn't fit into this agenda. + Show Spoiler +And before anybody says that that's wifom, because scum could easily purposely act strange and then use this argument to try to prove that their town, and that therefore it's meaningless, let me explain something to you.
Yes, in theory, mafia could easily also could use this argument to try to prove that their town, but, in practice, mafia are too afraid of risks to try to use this argument to prove that they are town. Only an exceptionally daring or experienced scum player (like Ace) would be both capable and have the courage to do it. And, because I am neither, I am town.
Also, I don't want to kill a lurker anymore.
To summarize, yes, in theory, WIFOM proves nothing.
But in practice, it does.
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On December 18 2012 03:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
if he is blue he can be easily shot. there is really nothing more to say about it. how hard is it to just wait for the day cycle to do this?
And again, I have to quote myself.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote:
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.
Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).
So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.
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Because I think it's likely that he's scum.
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It's unlikely that he's town.
It's unlikely, even if he's town, that scum has another bullet.
Also, waiting two hours won't stop him from getting shot if he's blue. If the witch hunter has bullets, it can shoot at any time.
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Mafia is a game of educated guessing.
Get used to it.
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