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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 26 2012 08:06 GMT
#2901
On December 26 2012 11:11 kushm4sta wrote:
when is night?


Why do you care ?
Waiting to send in your kills ?

Night is going to be in 14hours and I'm also going to be confirmed town at that point ^^
And it really doesn't look like it pleases you
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 26 2012 09:24 GMT
#2902
Vote Count!

No Lynch(5) - Hapahauli, Mr. Cheesecake, kushm4sta, Djodref, ghost_403

Not Voting (1) - JieXian

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Currently no-one is set to be lynched!




It is now Day 4. NOTE: the day ends in 12.5 hours at Wednesday, Dec 26 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00)-- on Christmas, the Inquisition stays home and prays.

Make sure to get your ONE witchcraft vote into Blazinghand and Keirathi by that time.



When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 26 2012 09:25 GMT
#2903
Regarding how scum and town win, the win conditions are in the setup and will be followed to the word.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 14:36 GMT
#2904
Oh great hapa is not telling the details of the plan

Somebody tell me the details. If you can't tell me the details, you probably don't know it and you are following scum blindly.

For now if the plan doesn't make sense we can confirm hapa / djo scumteam
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 14:53 GMT
#2905
Everyone!


Do you actually know how is it supposed to work?

Why the hell are you sheeping Hapa if you have no idea how it's supposed to work and never considered how it can be abused?

Hapa has already been proven to be lying:

On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:

A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.

If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.

Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.


There are so many holes in his logic:

1) Mafia would know ghost's alignment regardless and the DT claim was a claim for townie cred
2) Scum killing you would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if you flip green
3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea.
4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM

if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left I don't think you can stop a death by RBing someone.

Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill

Don't trust him or sheep him blindly, until you have REALLY understood the proposal. Remember, he is planning to confirm DJO (possible scum) as townie. Think of the motives behind it.

##Vote : Hapahauli

Only agree to the plan once you are sure that it's airtight. And I'm betting the mafia game is designed so that these things can't happen.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 15:20 GMT
#2906
My question to everyone is:

How could you know for sure if someone who claimed to have won the election is actually town?

What if 2 people (Djo and ghost) claim to have won? How would you know who is telling the truth?

By their masoning/RB powers?

Consider the FAQ

On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Q: Can scum win witchcraft? What happens?
A: If a scum player wins witchcraft he is informed of this fact, but can't pick a power from the list. If he wants to fake using a power he can use his holy pages, or whatever.


What are Holy Pages?

On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
The Holy Words and Pages: The Witch Hunter and The Inquisitor, both being traveling men of God, have brought with them copies of pages from The Good Book. Once per game at night, any member of The Inquisition can RB a player. Once per game at night, any member of the Inquisition can Mason a player. This effect lasts until the end of the upcoming day, and absorbs the Pages, making them unusable in the future.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 26 2012 16:55 GMT
#2907
@jx... I agree Hapa's reasoning on the nk is kind of fishy. Scum should have killed ghost 100% obvious in my mind.

But the plan seems so be pretty good to me. Here are the people who will possibly get witchcraft: cheesecake or ghost.
If they BOTH claim witchcraft we know one of ghost or cheesecake is scum.
If only one claims witchcraft we know if djo is scum or town, depending on which one claims.

The plan works to figure out djo's alignment.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 17:28 GMT
#2908
Who voted for who?
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 17:46 GMT
#2909
Ok I saw it. In the case of Djo -> Mrcc , hapa -> ghost

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote:
Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^
It's done !



On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Awesomesauce.

My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403.

So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum.



Here's my problem:

if it's a hapa with kush/ghost/jx team,
- MrCC wins,
- djo gets confirmed town and gets shot at night and hapa gets townie cred
- moderately good for scum

if it's a hapa / mrcc team,
- nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won:
- hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status
- kush and I will be lynched = gg



FOUND A LOOPHOLE
##Vote: Hapahauli
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 17:51 GMT
#2910
On December 27 2012 01:55 kushm4sta wrote:
@jx... I agree Hapa's reasoning on the nk is kind of fishy. Scum should have killed ghost 100% obvious in my mind.

But the plan seems so be pretty good to me. Here are the people who will possibly get witchcraft: cheesecake or ghost.
If they BOTH claim witchcraft we know one of ghost or cheesecake is scum.
If only one claims witchcraft we know if djo is scum or town, depending on which one claims.

The plan works to figure out djo's alignment.


Nothing is that simple with hapa. Given his bad Nk reasoning, which you bring another additional point on, there is a high chance that he's scum laying down the final pieces to victory.

The plan aims to confirm themselves as townie, djo is just a byproduct
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 26 2012 18:03 GMT
#2911
Dude it's not a loophole. All this is supposed to do is figure out djo's alignment, which it still does in the case of your loophole
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 18:10 GMT
#2912
A hapa/mrcc scumteam makes sense since hapa has been plotting about the kush NK at night while mrcc has been playing a strong support role himself making hapa look good after eywa's lynch

On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town.


Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town.


Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.


HELLO There are 2 mafia left?!

On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
The Inquisition

Can deliver KP.

The Priest (godfather):
Can deliver KP.

The Witch Hunter (two-shot blue vigi):
Can do this and deliver scum KP in the same night.


lol just noticed this MrCC interviewing hapa is an easy way to misdirect everyone's attention from the loophole in the plan to somewhere else.

On December 24 2012 13:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMFG HAPA HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM SHOT TWICE WTF SCUM LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH

/jk

In all seriousness this seems foolproof if we can coordinate it correctly. Whoever gets NK'd will be very telling as well. IF scum decide to not NK, we can just repeat this process.


Seriously, he the hell could hapa have known? The acceptance of the whole plan relies on this, and Mrcc makes that possibility seem impossible

On December 24 2012 09:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also: Why did you "check" Ghost? Why not Eywa? Djo? These would make more sense considering they were your scumreads.
[/spoiler]

Questioning hapa on something that he can answer easily
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 18:14 GMT
#2913
On December 27 2012 03:03 kushm4sta wrote:
Dude it's not a loophole. All this is supposed to do is figure out djo's alignment, which it still does in the case of your loophole


hapa doesn't see it that way

On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town.


Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town.


Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.


think about it, after the electrions, hapa and mrcc WILL be considered confirmed townie too.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 18:18 GMT
#2914
you're right about djo, but that along with hapa justification, in which the plan was about kush, things don't add up.


On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town.


Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town.


Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.


think about it, after the electrions, hapa and mrcc WILL be considered confirmed townie too.[/QUOTE]

If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush

eg:
Get Kush to vote for Djo
Then MrCC to vote for ghost

But he DIDN'T

Why?

Bercause it never was about kush

Moreover scum can just NK djo, what's the point?
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 18:20 GMT
#2915
it just the perfect timing for a scum endgame plan when everyone can latch on to something that sounds decent and go about their christmas business, and scum have excuses for lurking.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 18:25 GMT
#2916
On December 25 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
i feel like djo is gonna flip town and I'm being framed by a cheesecake/jx scumteam.


You know that hapa devised the entire plan right? Any framing will be carried out by hapa himself.

Think about it. His NK stuff were nonsense, his voting plan is nonsense (claims to be about kush but doesn't involve kush at all)

Hapa is scum.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 18:52 GMT
#2917


Hapa



1) N3 no kill and kush

On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:

A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.

If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.

Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.


There are so many holes in his logic:

1) Excellent choice to kill a supposed confirmed townie. Hapa could be mafia fakeclaiming DT for townie cred, knowing ghost's alignment.
2) Hapa being shot would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if hapa flips green. Only me and mrcc were suspicious of hapa and mrcc never posted any cases. He only whined about crap like how hapa was betrayed his trust.
3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea, ghost didn't care, mrcc did nothing but whine.
4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM

if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left hapa can't stop a death by RBing someone.

Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill



2) The election plan to decide kush's alignment

Get Djo to vote for Mrcc , hapa to vote for ghost

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote:
Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^
It's done !



On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Awesomesauce.

My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403.

So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum.

On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town.


Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town.


Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.


If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush

eg:
Get Kush to vote for MrCC
Then hapa to vote for ghost

But he DIDN'T

Why?

Bercause it never was about kush

On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town.


He initially wanted to prove that kush was town

On December 25 2012 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
But yes, it's looking a lot like Kush + JX scumteam right now.


Now he wants to swing it to proving that kush is scum.

Problem is, if kush is scum and hapa JKed kush, The night kill would have went through

On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
The Inquisition

Can deliver KP.

The Priest (godfather):
Can deliver KP.

The Witch Hunter (two-shot blue vigi):
Can do this and deliver scum KP in the same night.




3) Loophole in the plan


if it's a hapa / mrcc team,
- nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won:
- hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status
- kush and I will be lynched = gg


##Vote: Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 26 2012 19:15 GMT
#2918
Man JieXian. You are really really desperate.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 26 2012 19:24 GMT
#2919
By the way, if anyone wants me to reply to the above, I will do so. I just don't feel someone I think is scum is worth a reply. BUT we'll see if this is true or not after the Djo confirmation anyway.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 26 2012 19:33 GMT
#2920
I'd like to see you do it and prove me wrong if you're townie

What do you expect to gain after djo's confirmation?
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