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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 26 2012 11:11 kushm4sta wrote: when is night? Why do you care ? Waiting to send in your kills ? Night is going to be in 14hours and I'm also going to be confirmed town at that point ^^ And it really doesn't look like it pleases you  | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
No Lynch(5) - Hapahauli, Mr. Cheesecake, kushm4sta, Djodref, ghost_403 Not Voting (1) - JieXian With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Currently no-one is set to be lynched! It is now Day 4. NOTE: the day ends in 12.5 hours at Wednesday, Dec 26 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 22:00 GMT (+00:00)-- on Christmas, the Inquisition stays home and prays. Make sure to get your ONE witchcraft vote into Blazinghand and Keirathi by that time. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Somebody tell me the details. If you can't tell me the details, you probably don't know it and you are following scum blindly. For now if the plan doesn't make sense we can confirm hapa / djo scumteam | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Everyone! Do you actually know how is it supposed to work? Why the hell are you sheeping Hapa if you have no idea how it's supposed to work and never considered how it can be abused? Hapa has already been proven to be lying: On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote: I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons: A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options 1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him. 2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town. 3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me. 4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum. If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct. Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum. There are so many holes in his logic: 1) Mafia would know ghost's alignment regardless and the DT claim was a claim for townie cred 2) Scum killing you would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if you flip green 3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea. 4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left I don't think you can stop a death by RBing someone. Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill Don't trust him or sheep him blindly, until you have REALLY understood the proposal. Remember, he is planning to confirm DJO (possible scum) as townie. Think of the motives behind it. ##Vote : Hapahauli Only agree to the plan once you are sure that it's airtight. And I'm betting the mafia game is designed so that these things can't happen. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
How could you know for sure if someone who claimed to have won the election is actually town? What if 2 people (Djo and ghost) claim to have won? How would you know who is telling the truth? By their masoning/RB powers? Consider the FAQ On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: Q: Can scum win witchcraft? What happens? A: If a scum player wins witchcraft he is informed of this fact, but can't pick a power from the list. If he wants to fake using a power he can use his holy pages, or whatever. What are Holy Pages? On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: The Holy Words and Pages: The Witch Hunter and The Inquisitor, both being traveling men of God, have brought with them copies of pages from The Good Book. Once per game at night, any member of The Inquisition can RB a player. Once per game at night, any member of the Inquisition can Mason a player. This effect lasts until the end of the upcoming day, and absorbs the Pages, making them unusable in the future. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
But the plan seems so be pretty good to me. Here are the people who will possibly get witchcraft: cheesecake or ghost. If they BOTH claim witchcraft we know one of ghost or cheesecake is scum. If only one claims witchcraft we know if djo is scum or town, depending on which one claims. The plan works to figure out djo's alignment. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote: Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^ It's done ! On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote: Awesomesauce. My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403. So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum. Here's my problem: if it's a hapa with kush/ghost/jx team, - MrCC wins, - djo gets confirmed town and gets shot at night and hapa gets townie cred - moderately good for scum if it's a hapa / mrcc team, - nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won: - hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status - kush and I will be lynched = gg FOUND A LOOPHOLE ##Vote: Hapahauli | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 27 2012 01:55 kushm4sta wrote: @jx... I agree Hapa's reasoning on the nk is kind of fishy. Scum should have killed ghost 100% obvious in my mind. But the plan seems so be pretty good to me. Here are the people who will possibly get witchcraft: cheesecake or ghost. If they BOTH claim witchcraft we know one of ghost or cheesecake is scum. If only one claims witchcraft we know if djo is scum or town, depending on which one claims. The plan works to figure out djo's alignment. Nothing is that simple with hapa. Given his bad Nk reasoning, which you bring another additional point on, there is a high chance that he's scum laying down the final pieces to victory. The plan aims to confirm themselves as townie, djo is just a byproduct | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly. HELLO There are 2 mafia left?! On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: The Inquisition Can deliver KP. The Priest (godfather): Can deliver KP. The Witch Hunter (two-shot blue vigi): Can do this and deliver scum KP in the same night. lol just noticed this MrCC interviewing hapa is an easy way to misdirect everyone's attention from the loophole in the plan to somewhere else. On December 24 2012 13:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: OMFG HAPA HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM SHOT TWICE WTF SCUM LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH /jk In all seriousness this seems foolproof if we can coordinate it correctly. Whoever gets NK'd will be very telling as well. IF scum decide to not NK, we can just repeat this process. Seriously, he the hell could hapa have known? The acceptance of the whole plan relies on this, and Mrcc makes that possibility seem impossible On December 24 2012 09:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: [/spoiler]Also: Why did you "check" Ghost? Why not Eywa? Djo? These would make more sense considering they were your scumreads. Questioning hapa on something that he can answer easily | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 27 2012 03:03 kushm4sta wrote: Dude it's not a loophole. All this is supposed to do is figure out djo's alignment, which it still does in the case of your loophole hapa doesn't see it that way On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly. think about it, after the electrions, hapa and mrcc WILL be considered confirmed townie too. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly. think about it, after the electrions, hapa and mrcc WILL be considered confirmed townie too.[/QUOTE] If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush eg: Get Kush to vote for Djo Then MrCC to vote for ghost But he DIDN'T Why? Bercause it never was about kush Moreover scum can just NK djo, what's the point? | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 25 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote: i feel like djo is gonna flip town and I'm being framed by a cheesecake/jx scumteam. You know that hapa devised the entire plan right? Any framing will be carried out by hapa himself. Think about it. His NK stuff were nonsense, his voting plan is nonsense (claims to be about kush but doesn't involve kush at all) Hapa is scum. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Hapa 1) N3 no kill and kush On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote: I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons: A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options 1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him. 2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town. 3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me. 4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum. If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct. Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum. There are so many holes in his logic: 1) Excellent choice to kill a supposed confirmed townie. Hapa could be mafia fakeclaiming DT for townie cred, knowing ghost's alignment. 2) Hapa being shot would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if hapa flips green. Only me and mrcc were suspicious of hapa and mrcc never posted any cases. He only whined about crap like how hapa was betrayed his trust. 3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea, ghost didn't care, mrcc did nothing but whine. 4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left hapa can't stop a death by RBing someone. Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill 2) The election plan to decide kush's alignment Get Djo to vote for Mrcc , hapa to vote for ghost + Show Spoiler + On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote: Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^ It's done ! On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote: Awesomesauce. My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403. So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum. On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly. If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush eg: Get Kush to vote for MrCC Then hapa to vote for ghost But he DIDN'T Why? Bercause it never was about kush On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote: So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. He initially wanted to prove that kush was town On December 25 2012 02:12 Hapahauli wrote: But yes, it's looking a lot like Kush + JX scumteam right now. Now he wants to swing it to proving that kush is scum. Problem is, if kush is scum and hapa JKed kush, The night kill would have went through On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: The Inquisition Can deliver KP. The Priest (godfather): Can deliver KP. The Witch Hunter (two-shot blue vigi): Can do this and deliver scum KP in the same night. 3) Loophole in the plan if it's a hapa / mrcc team, - nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won: - hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status - kush and I will be lynched = gg ##Vote: Hapahauli | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
What do you expect to gain after djo's confirmation? | ||
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