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Step 2: Lynch All Lurkers Step 3: Claim Blue Step 4: ???? Step 5: WIN | ||
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Yeah.... Its not perfect. :D | ||
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Hey CC I just realised that you got tunneled in both XXX and the last one :D total accident. :D And axle, it was his first post! | ||
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![]() This game however, IS GONNA BE AWESOME | ||
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8am my time is not too bad :D | ||
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SO MANY TOWN COACHES :O | ||
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GG HF ALL :D | ||
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![]() I have obs like 2 games and played 2 I think Yeah lynching lurkers seems too be bad | ||
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Or you are just putting it out there | ||
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I was flip flopping like a fish out of water, so bad. I am terribly sorry for my play last game. | ||
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You should have no emotion when hunting scum! | ||
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Also jidolboy, when do you think things will start happening? At the first flip? | ||
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Scum play is subtle 180s and weird logic/ cases | ||
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Are you proposing a no lynch? or a random shot in the dark | ||
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I was asking him when things will happen and he said at the end of day 1, so I assume he will have no scumreads so I was asking what he would do for the lynch. | ||
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![]() I dont know how you can change it but maybe reread the post before you post and see if it makes sense. | ||
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Now stop discussing it. | ||
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'Im newb' Is really a scum tell. | ||
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I didnt see any confidence really.. I just wish that the posts are easier to understand from Axle ![]() | ||
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On December 04 2012 12:20 Rad wrote: Axle, I think what I said to you in last NMM QT is starting to make sense now. Shit's a lot more real in game. However, you DID make good reads last game (without even reading the QT until later, right?) so keep that in mind and just focus on that. This will help town because: 1. If you're town, your reads are good or 2. If you're scum, town gets to read your original thoughts rather than you just playing the newbie card and sheeping. Don't hold back thinking others are just straight up better than you, waiting for them to make a move. Lol if he is scum, why does he want to help town? | ||
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What I am wondering is, Why did you FoS him so fast? Without waiting for him to explain... | ||
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Please dont. quote using tags, like YO Instead of > | ||
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On December 04 2012 13:56 AxleGreaser wrote: I was already convinced that, if everyone else turned up really late in the day and said sorry will be here tomorrow, He still would have been lynched. Please explain. So you are gonna ignore yamato's vote? Do you have a town/scum read on yamato? | ||
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however I think that its different in this game, he is a lot more chilled out, I dont think that thats alignment/meta indicative but I think that its DIFFERENT. | ||
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Opinions help a lot in determining reads, so when Axle answered the question obliquely or not at all, it doesnt help yamato determine a read so yamato pressure votes Axle. its a pressure vote kickstart. Arnarnion, Do you currently have any reads on anyone? | ||
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![]() Also it should get more active as the game gets going. | ||
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Axle stop having a pity party and just play to the best of your ability. Read the thread, form opinions, ask questions, make a case, pressure people. Explain your scumread on yamato more. | ||
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![]() WHERE IS EVERYONE. My name is spelled wrongly in OP, -5 points. | ||
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If you didnt go read it, Djo kinda acts like Rad where he jumps on a joke but Djo is town i think that its a null read. Also I thought you were serious until you posted jk jk. Scumbag. | ||
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answer CC's questions please :D | ||
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On December 04 2012 10:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 1.) How many games of Mafia have you played / obs'd? Include roles if you wish. 2.) Would you lynch a lurker (I.E, few posts, little content) over a minor-moderate scumread? Explain. 3.) What is your favorite color? On December 04 2012 10:04 yamato77 wrote: Greetings gentlemen! A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion: 1) How many games have you played on TL? 2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1? 3) Pie or Cheesecake? These ones | ||
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On December 04 2012 19:26 Kickstart wrote: I agree that if you don't have much to go on then waiting a bit and formulating your opinions more is ok, but remember that you should post when you have something because waiting until you have an iron clad case will take too long and you need to post reads sooner to establish your "townyness" and spur discussion. Guess I will have to wait until more people are up to get more feedback on my humongous post, seems that most people called it a night a while ago. Do you mean like, 'lol scumslip', or like off 1 post? Because a lot of things look scummy without context, same as stuff can look townie without context but looks scummy with context. I think that we shouldnt jump to conclusions/vote like I did last game but Dont be afraid to vote. | ||
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Your vote is very powerful :D | ||
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On December 04 2012 19:50 AxleGreaser wrote: Now doing just that. OatsMaster A question for you? Is it a scum tell when one player tries to tell another player how to play? When do scum do that and why? When do town do that and why? Remembering that Lynch all Liars is a thing that some people believe in. What is your truthful answer to those two? I think its a null tell because we all want to get better and to help people get better, especially in Newbie games. assuming ulterior motive. Scum tell people how to play in order to confuse them and make them less effective and more useless for town. town will do that because they want effective players. A good, organized town will stomp on scum any day of the week so if you can do that, town has a easier time in finding scum. | ||
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On December 04 2012 19:45 Sylencia wrote: <snip> I feel that lynching lurkers has a negative impact for us, as it really gives up a day where we could be cleaning up the town, and also reduces the number of days we have to live. <snip> Can you explain this more? | ||
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Do you want to share scum reads or keep them to yourself? | ||
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What do you think about kickstarts suspicion towards yamato? Also what do you think about yamato? | ||
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Why do you talk like this?? Just casually say stuff, if it doesnt sound natural please dont post it :D | ||
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![]() I really want to understand but I cant ![]() so yamato, what do you think about kickstart's long post about you and Rad? | ||
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![]() Let me rephrase your last statment to what I would say. "Oats, I believe you asked me to change what I was doing. has my typing/explaining myself improved? Explain. " However, I dont understand this. As mentioned getting other people to do things is a scum tell, or helping a wounded (7/9)townie get back up of the floor | ||
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I agree with CC in the last game, meta over 2-3 games is not really identifiable though :/ I think we should scumhunt using more normal scumhunting methods. | ||
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Scum want to cause confusion and make sure the town cant function as well. I really dont know what I will do if I was scum :/ | ||
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Well it might demoralize you and start a fight/mudslinging contest because it isnt very nice. That will cause confusion because the focus is not on finding scum, but in seeing who can shout the loudest. so yeah.. | ||
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You read the last game right? Lets say yamato went SDM IS SCUM You wouldnt believe him right? even though he was town. | ||
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I am getting peoples opinions of issues like policy lynch, changing of meta and that helps me to define reads on players, If people dont talk, then I cant read them . | ||
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On December 04 2012 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote: LOL I am town, what do you mean pretend? I am getting peoples opinions of issues like policy lynch, changing of meta and that helps me to define reads on players, If people dont talk, then I cant read them . | ||
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Like asking them to make me coffee and get my breakfast? Or something different | ||
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The game is a team game right? It wasnt the first time the meta was brought up in this game IIRC its not FFA. | ||
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I was giving a suggestion on more effective/accurate ways to win the game as town. If he is scum, it doesnt matter. I am concerned that he is scum. HOWEVER, it doesnt really affect much BECAUSE if you know that someone is scum, you just ignore them. Currently I have a slight town read on yamato, however he seems to be acting differently as opposed to last game. Probably because he wants to improve like me, but you never know. | ||
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Hey yamato, do you have any reads? | ||
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Im null on Axle, his questions are odd but maybe thats just his playstyle. Im leaning slightly scum on yamato and kickstart Kickstart goes into a discussion on whether lynching lurkers is good which is unnecessary at the start of the game because who knows, we might not have lurkers. Then he jokes around for a while and suddenly FoS yamato on badgering Axle. Like what kind of reasoning is that? Yamato + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2012 23:42 yamato77 wrote: My strategy this game is far more aggressive than it was the previous game at the beginning. If I am town, my main objective day 1, especially early, is to provoke discussion and responses. The more information I can garner from people, the stronger my reads on them can become. Up to that point, only Axle had seemed to willingly ignore me so I went after him. People that don't want to give up information are either scum or blue, because they both have something to hide. I suppose I assumed that Axle was doing this intentionally but it seems like he was ignoring me rather absentmindedly. What my focus now has become is why you have started to throw suspicion around on players who are looking into people's play early. A lot of your posting this game has been about "this looks suspicious" or something of that nature. Everything can "look suspicious" from a town POV, but you feel the need to say it a lot. Why? he only questioned axle then Unvoted him for unclear reasons.. | ||
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On December 04 2012 11:04 Kickstart wrote: Rephrase your question, it makes no sense to me. I am saying that if I have a strong scum read on someone I am pushing that read over a lurker lynch, but if I have no strong read I would be fine with a lurker lynch. I have no idea if I will get a scum read or if I get one how strong it will be, there isn't enough to go on yet. Last game, we lynched lurkers and it didnt go too well, vets posted and said that its unlikely that a scum is a lurker and STILL Kickstart posts this. It reads as very wishy, washy allowing him to keep all his options open. Lynching a lurker is good for scum because it doesnt really show strong opinions either way because its a lurker, coinflippy. On December 04 2012 12:45 Kickstart wrote: ##FoS yamato Badgering people then voting them when they ignore his badgering This vote is so bad, no explaination why this is scum.. On December 04 2012 14:24 Kickstart wrote: For example I FoSd Yamato because I don't like much his actions up to this point. It was mostly that what he was doing didn't sit well with me therefor I pointed out what I didn't like and asked others about it. Just the fact that to me he seemed really incessant with his policy talks and then just immediately threw a vote on someone when they didn't answer him. My reaction was just a gut reaction but to figure out if I think it is scummy or not I need to look through his dialogue and try and figure out his intentions, but I wanted to see what others thought about it if anything. Kickstart is looking for town support here, he doesnt want to vote yamato if no one else votes for him... His whole case on yamato is just him jumping on a small thing that he doesnt even explain how it is scum aligned or even aligned at all. ##Vote: Kickstart | ||
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I think he is pushing a scum agenda by implying that he wants to lynch a lurker which more often then not, are town so preparing for a mislynch. Then the way he votes yamato allows him to back out easily if he sees that its not gaining any support, again scum motivation because they dont want to be caught in contridictions and 180s | ||
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see ya guys in about 9 hours | ||
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He starts out with the introductory post then has no content otherwise. That gives me the impression that he is asking questions to look involved and notice, he asked so many questions to axle who looked ill-equipped to answer, so its not very effective in finding scum. | ||
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I said slight town on him before BECAUSE it looked like he was contributing and whatnot. | ||
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Axle asked me what I would do pretending that I am town, after he asked me what I would do if I was scum. And about my way of playing? If that is scummy to you then ok, each to his own. CC, how many times have you been like, Ok he is not that suspicious, then when you read his filter, it has some scummy stuff and not much town stuff. I did this for Clarity in XXX actually, I had a town read, I thought Djo was scum but when I read his filter, I was astounded at the slight scumtells. If it is your opinion on why the kickstart case is bad then so be it, I cant change that. | ||
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On December 05 2012 11:57 Kickstart wrote: Since you asked kindly I will entertain you. a) no one was really suspicious of before (or at least no one had posted about) and b) are not one of the "easy targets" (there are several first timers here, some of whom are lurking, and I did not go after any of them) So how you can say I am stalling when I am bringing up new points against players who had no pressure at all on them is strange to me. You then call me wishy washy about my suspicion of Yamato. Maybe you should look up what wishy washy, because I have been nothing but firm with my stance that I found his interactions with Axl and his general posting up until that point to be suspicious. You then accuse me of trying to start a case on someone without providing anything to back it up (which is strange since right after you post my large post). I have given a more comprehensive post on why I have my suspicions than anyone thus far - so your accusation is just false. Its early game, who would be suspicous of anyone? You didnt go after the first timers because there is too little to go off of.... This looks so weird kickstart. Also, so now what do you think yamato is? Scum or Town? | ||
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Please clarify the parts that you think I am misrepresenting and post your reasoning. Dont just say, oh Your case is bad because I totally didnt say that. | ||
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We play mafia differently, fine. I am not saying my way is better, its just my way. | ||
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I think you misunderstand me. I think that everyone is town at the start of the game. Oh look CC posted an iffy looking post, let me look through his filter. Ok town/scum read. Keep posting bla bla. Oh look yamato posted a totally bullshit case, let me think about why. | ||
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Are you like totally pissed off at the way I play mafia? Or do you think that I made a scumslip and am obvious scum? | ||
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Thanks for making me laugh out loud in class, now everyone is looking at me :/ | ||
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If you dont think that he is scum dont fucking vote him . | ||
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Please explain. | ||
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What do you think of kickstart's vote on Rad and Rad himself? | ||
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setting up a 'scumtrap' then LOLOL SCUM. How is that not lazy? | ||
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He said that he wouldve been probing and asking questions, then making a case on why CC is scum or not. You didnt do that. You did what I basically did last game, which almost caused my lynch. | ||
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Looks like you are going for the sympathy vote here. | ||
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I made my point about you lurker lynching on the LAST post you made about it. | ||
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both games, both people I have made cases against have said that 'LIES ALL LIES' without properly explaining it. If I have to keep asking you about it, you havent explained it properly yet. | ||
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Has he explained where and how I am lying about him? | ||
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1 person and a sheep already voted for me, join the ez wagon. | ||
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Just make it, stop responding to my 'PROVOKING' then. | ||
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Why wouldnt you have strong reads by the end of cycle 1? Because you cant think of 1? I dont know. Ok lets say like last game, the end of day 1 people didnt know shit and we lynched a lurker. Which was town. So I learnt that we should take more effort in finding scum instead of letting them just slide by. So that the day 1 lynch was not a coinflip. I have no idea what he learnt but I dont see how he learnt that, Lynching lurkers on day 1 is a viable plan. | ||
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I just feel that we shouldnt lynch lurkers, SO We should make the effort to find out who is scum, SO We dont have a coinflip lynch. Yes that post was at the start of the game, and now I see why it is not a scumtell. I still think kickstart is scum | ||
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You are asking other people to make your case for you. Scummy. | ||
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Who would you vote if you absolutly had to? | ||
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Scum kickstart, you are going DOWN. Also Axle, I was trying to help. ![]() And I have no more questions. What do you think about yamato and kickstart voting you? | ||
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Please dont post bullshit. What makes you think that kick is town and I am not. Drop of a case? I posted why he felt scummy and I still feel that way with his popcorn posts and stuff but I didnt make a case against him. | ||
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Explain why my behaviour on Yamato is scummy also. | ||
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I meant dont post things that sound unnatural like if you were reading the words out it will sound odd. Casually like if you were with a group of friends, not like a school or work presentation. I hope that clarifies things | ||
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Its majority lynch, not plurality lynch so we need 5 on someone to lynch. | ||
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Seriously this is full of bullshit. WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR ME? Is it because herp derp 180 yamato? Because thats worse than what you guys wouldve lynched me for last game. Fucking sheep led by kickstart | ||
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On December 06 2012 05:07 Kickstart wrote: Because cheese is able to read my cases and see that I am being honest and thoughtful and then he can read your and Oats "cases" and see they are just lies. That would be why the only votes on me are yours and Oats, because they are shit. Seriously this sentance reads lazy as fuck that you arnt able to make your own defence other than saying LIES LIES. | ||
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looks like my earlier statement is true. Hypocrite | ||
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Lurky so far but overshadowed by kickstart's scummyness. Need to check him If I dont get lynched. 2. AxleGreaser Tripping acid man, NULL AS SHIT. 3. Kickstart. Scum 4.jidolboy Again lurky, even more so than Arn. null so far because too little info. 5. yamato77 Weird pressuring of axle but I think thats a null read, whats more worrying is that he has not given an opinion on me or kickstart, could be trying to stay out of the spotlight, I dont know. Currently slightly scummy. 6. Mr. Cheesecake Makes the most sense so far, town. 7. Sylencia Made a list post. Urgh. Also sheeped onto the wagon on me for what? I dont know. Null but really needs to be looked at 8. Rad Only other one on kickstart. I find it odd that he has not really addressed anyone but kickstart. He made 1 case on kickstart then peaced out. Seriously scummy stuff, jumping on a wagon to avoid mislynching me. | ||
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Dont mislynch me off nothing. | ||
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On December 06 2012 09:51 jidolboy wrote: Hi WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS. | ||
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Yamato has done some scummy stuff but I dont think its as much as kickstart. SCUM DOESNT WANT TO LYNCH A NAMED VT. | ||
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SCUMSLIP OH I SWITCHED ON PURPOSE TO DRAW YOU. Again? I rather a no lynch than lynching yamato at the moment. | ||
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URGGGH ##Unvote | ||
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IT WAS FUN :D | ||
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Anyway, I felt that town got lazy after I got lynched and CC died and was way too intent about axles posting. Kinda like in acme where town lost a won game because they got lazy. I think that scum should never surrender. Never. Last game when kick start and helo were scum, I would've started second guessing myself if they had put up an alternative candidate or to just defend theirself. GG, i look forward to playing with you guys in the future | ||
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