Newbie Mini Mafia XXXII - Page 4

On December 05 2012 14:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok let me explain my reasoning.
Why wouldnt you have strong reads by the end of cycle 1? Because you cant think of 1? I dont know.

Ok lets say like last game, the end of day 1 people didnt know shit and we lynched a lurker. Which was town.
So I learnt that we should take more effort in finding scum instead of letting them just slide by. So that the day 1 lynch was not a coinflip.
I have no idea what he learnt but I dont see how he learnt that,
Lynching lurkers on day 1 is a viable plan.

On December 04 2012 10:41 Kickstart wrote:
Got home from school early hurray.

This will be my third game, my first game was Mario Mini Mafia where we won as town, my second game was Newbie Mini Mafia XXXI where I lost as scum. On lurker lynch policy I am of the opinion you lynch top scum reads, that is the goal of the game after all. If someone lurking seriously becomes an issue then they can be dealt with at the adequate time.

On December 05 2012 19:03 Sylencia wrote:
So pretty much at the moment, while catching up with all this drama that has happened in the past 5 or so hours, I've really become a lot more confused and a lot less sure who is actually scum and who is not.

Axle: Originally, I thought his acts of 'treat me nicely, I'm new' were actually quite suspicious, followed by really confusing posts which initially I believed were just posts to clog up the conversation and keep things disjointed. However, seems like as time goes on I understand what Axle is talking about less and less and now I don't even read the posts because it actually hurts my brain to try and understand the concepts he is talking about. Based off the responses you guys make to what he says, seems to be hard on you too. Basically, if I had no better read, I'd be picking Axle simply because I don't want to have to deal with working with an incomprehensible teammate.

Jidolboy: From what I have seen, all that has happened from him are a few answers and then a sudden vote. If I was to guess the way this game was going to go down, it would have the one person who is more active do the swaying, while the other lurks a bit more. As far as I can tell, Jidol has been the biggest lurker in the game so far, and then makes no effort in justifying what he has said. However, does that mean he's piggybacking onto CC, making him scum (assuming that Jidol is too)? Possibly, but probably not, if they were both scum, they wouldn't be picking out Oats I think, and instead piggyback onto the Kick vote.

Kick: This afternoon, I said that Kick is a townie because of his obnoxious behaviour. Rad and Oats continue the attack, and bring up rather relevant points, most of which I didn't consider (and also some points due to a past game which I didn't observe). However, at this point in time, I still believe that Kick is a townie, and so at this point in time I will not be voting for him.

yamato: More active than jidol, but still seems like lurking, and goes with the easy way out by voting Axle. Also noticed the disappearance after heat being applied on him but whether or not that's due to time zone, I'm not sure.

Now, between Rad and Oats, I feel like one is supporting the other, but at the same time, I also feel like one of them is doing so with the intention of swaying the other into believing they are on the same team. This round, I feel like I have to be voting for one or the other here. (Also, while I think that one or the other is scum, I do not think that both would be scum. They stand out far too much and have already essentially said "We are together in this fight", and that'd be some sick psychological tactics or some really newbie play if they were to be double scum)

In this case, I will be voting for Oats for two reasons: No lynch doesn't help us get any information. Worst case scenario means if we pick all townies to be lynched, we lose at the same rate as if we didn't lynch Day 1.

Between the two, Oats feels a lot more scummy to me. The main point in the end is the suspicion on yamato, followed by the 'scum read' on yamato, followed by a complete drop of the case against him, and then a complete dodge on answering why yamato was even suspected by him in the first place. Also, to me it seems like the case made when explaining why there was a vote for kickstart in the first place could also be applied to him.
1. At the time, yamato was still a suspect, so claims possible read
2. Notices no support for yamato's suspicion, backs out, and goes straight for Kickstart.

Naturally, I could be completely off track here, but I feel like the person who I should vote is for Oats.

##Vote Oatsmaster

On December 04 2012 19:08 Sylencia wrote:
Alright, so I've come back from work, find that everyone is at each other's throats already... What happened to a nice friendly atmosphere? Anyways, from what I can tell, it really does feel like one of the three super active members in this group so far are scum, though which one I haven't been able to pinpoint yet. I feel like they've actually done a good job in causing a lot of doubt and in-fighting between the members, but I feel like what Kickstart has said made a lot of sense, and I've definitely taken into account some of the points made there.

I don't want to reveal which of the members I feel most suspicious of yet, though I do have a gut feeling about it, and as for the 2nd bad guy, this is pure speculation, but I do feel like they are lurking in the shadows a bit, since there's so much going on already, it'd be the perfect time to just sit back a bit and let the townies destroy themselves.

On December 04 2012 19:25 Sylencia wrote:


This one?

I feel like one of the major things that differentiate newbie play with scum play is the explanation that comes behind an accusation. I feel that newer players, when accusing others of being scum, will have a lot weaker arguments that are not particularly well thought out. Reasoning would mainly be either lack of experience, or just going on gut feeling that what someone has said in the past seems suspicious.

On the other hand, being scum means that you have to have a certain amount of thought behind what you say, as making a contradictory or just a random off-the-cuff statement could shine a light of suspicion on them, which obviously they want to avoid.

If a new player is scum, I also found from my real life experience from the game, they do prefer to wait for others to make motions against someone before being sheeping behind them and just agreeing with what others have said. This may not be true all the time, as a lot of new players do get warned about being too obvious about it, but it can happen when they cannot formulate their own attack in time.

On December 05 2012 12:08 Sylencia wrote:


Sure thing, I wasn't planning on holding back for much longer, since I just wanted to get a few more posts in the thread before seeing if anything useful came from it. However, I'm going to have to make a longer post later since my lunch hour is about done and I only just managed to catch up with the thread.

For now, all I want to say is that I'm pretty sure Kickstart is with the town here. Firstly, he brings up good, valid points with his posts, there's justification behind what he says and he also has an attitude. This attitude that he is bringing into the game doesn't help him whatsoever, and really only promotes him to be voted. Why would you bring so much negative attention to yourself when you want others to feel like you should still hang around?

As I said before, more later but I am only going to be able to lurk around for the next 5 or so hours.