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On December 13 2012 13:22 jaybrundage wrote: EBWODP ##Voting Clarity Will get a case when I have more time. Jay. If you're actually voting the claimed vigi, you're an idiot. | ||
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What happened to your Vivax case? | ||
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On December 12 2012 08:06 Djodref wrote: Anyone up for a counter bandwagon on jay ? ##Unvote ##Vote Jay On December 12 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote: I'll switch back my vote to Tunkeg if you guys change your mind last minute for the time I'm taking a shower ! ##Unvote ##Vote Tunkeg On December 12 2012 09:23 Djodref wrote: And, seriously guys, you still prefer to lynch Adam to jay after Adam's latest post ? Counter wagon ! GO GO GO ! ##Unvote ##Vote jay | ||
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@ Hapahauli Why didn't you comment on WBG's confession just before the flip ? I thought WBG claimed scum, and I really didn't want any part of the conversation until the flip. I try to avoid kicking players while they're down - it's something I've done in the past, and I regret it alot. | ||
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On December 13 2012 10:23 Hapahauli wrote: Clarity's vigi claim makes no sense from a scum perspective. 1) If he's the mafia vigi, he risks a counter-claim from a possible town vigi 2) Why would mafia vigi bugs, when they could waste a lynch on him today? Pretty sure Clarity's town. If Clarity made a last-minute claim to save his skin, MAAAAAYBE I could get behind you. But the fact is, he claimed in a situation where he had everything to lose and nothing to gain. | ||
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On December 13 2012 18:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I missed that in the hullabaloo. 1) That means nothing because this is a semi-closed setup. There could be more than one town vigi, so the counterclaim thing is not relevant. There's little risk in a scum Vigi claiming a shot he ACTUALLY took because we have no way of knowing if they're scum or town. 2) Why would Mafia vigi one of the stronger town players? So he can't defend himself and avoid the lynch? Maybe turn it around on one of them? Scum removing a vet from the game in a NON LYNCH situation is actually extremely strong. 1) If you think there are likely two vigi's, good for you. However I really doubt that's the case, and gambling on there possibly being 2 vigis in the setup is not something mafia want to do, much less when Clarity did so. 2) So what exactly makes the alternative not likely - that a town Clarity shot the top scumread of virtually everyone in the thread. Shooting WBG was a fine play given the suspicions of the thread. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=25#489 | ||
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On December 13 2012 18:24 VisceraEyes wrote: 1) I don't know if it's likely, I'm saying it's possible and therefor terrible play for any vig to counterclaim. It's not about Clarity "gambling" on there being two vigs, it's about the scumteam "knowing" that it's possible and relying on that to keep a vig from counterclaiming. 2) The fact that it was Bugs makes the alternative not likely. I think it's much more likely that scum Clarity shot strong townie Bugs at an opportune time for scum to make a play like that than a town Clarity shooting a veteran scumhunter without giving him a chance to defend himself and find us scum. And regardless of whether you believe Clarity is scum or town, that makes the scum KP debears yes? You're telling me that you believe that scum shot at debears and ONLY debears? 1) Why would it be bad play for a vig to counterclaim here? Closed setup or not, I really doubt there's more than 1 in a 16 man setup. 2) It doesn't matter who the guy is - the top scumread of the thread got shot on N1. How is that not completely normal? Plus Clarity's a new guy - it's not like he knows who Bugs is. Hell even I've never played in a game with Bugs. As for the debears thing, I've given it some thought. The way I see it, there are two possibilities: a) scum only shot at debears. I find this unlikely, given the risk of leaving a hypothetically town marv+Palmar alive b) scum vigi'd debears and shot at marv. This is what I'm thinking happened. | ||
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On December 13 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote: As for your chance B, who would be that scum vigi? How the hell should I know? That's just the best way I can make sense of the night actions. | ||
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On December 13 2012 18:43 Palmar wrote: oh right, I thought you meant he was trolling me about misusing the words, which I never do. I want to add this thought about Tunkeg's martyr post. Remember that if we assume he is scum, he knows bugs and I are both town, so what are the implications if I fail to stop the wagon that at the time was on him and swing it over to Adam? If he's scum he leaves a lot of things to be considered if he flips, and "opinions" on two loud town players between Bugs and I. My initial thoughts were that if he is scum, he wouldn't dare leave such strong opinions on us, especially as I had already voiced my suspicions of Bugs, and scum calling him scum then flipping scum would probably make me rethink the issue. I still feel the most reasonable explanation is that Tunkeg isn't scum. In one sense, I agree, however Adam left us with something pretty similar as well. I guess my objection to the martyr post is the attitude of - "oh I'm getting lynched, guess I'll finally get around to provide some reads but w/e I'm dead I'll be playing dota" | ||
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G'nite | ||
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Bluelightz on the other hand is ripe for some lynching. Lynch-bait or not, he's one of the few players in the game that hasn't given me any reason to think he's town. Tunkeg being the other, but I rather like that last longer post of his. | ||
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On December 14 2012 02:11 Z-BosoN wrote: And you were saying his concise read on WBG made him look worse, that he'd be looking much better if he had a more flimsy stance: Palmar is saying the exact opposite: Which is the "sense" you agree with Palmar about about? The "sense" is just Palmar's perspective on things that I really hadn't thought about too much. That being said, sleeping on things, I pretty heavily disagree with Palmar. Scum can very easily take strong stances on things since they know what's up. It's not like they were original opinions either - most of it was just a re-hash of everything that's been said in the thread. | ||
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Why do you find people going after Clarity a scumtell? It's certainly proves stupidity, but not scumminess. | ||
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Palmar is confirmed town! Like Palmar is a town read, but confirmed town is a huuuuuge stretch. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. 100% sure that WBG is scum, no doubts! On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote: Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum". WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video. Is sure that scum doesn't have a vigi... WHAT? On December 13 2012 18:36 Tunkeg wrote: So WBG was a jk this game. So my entire scum or stupid analysis on him was wrong. He turened out to be just stupid. Also anyone doubting clarity's claim is stupid. There is no reason at all for a scum clarity to claim such a hit. He had alot of towncred allready, a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar. Scum don't have a vig, as they would have taken out Palmar with it, doublestacking. Or perhaps some other vet they view as dangerous. With no vig they went for the best safe option, taking out someone who by pushing Adam early was looking very townie, and who wasn't likely to be protected. | ||
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Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too. I know you haven't finished your stuff on Djo, but this comment I think is pretty telling of his play. Players like this often are just attention whoring townies rather than scum. | ||
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On December 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote: definitely but i'm undecided between him and boson Mind elaborating on the Boson read a bit? | ||
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