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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 10 2012 14:10 GMT
#241
Lol @ Palmar's post.

It's basically a cop out for not doing anything for at least the first half of day 1. We know he's here. There isn't anything to read. So why the hell should he get a free 24 hours off?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2012 14:14 GMT
#242
On December 10 2012 23:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Palmar's post.

It's basically a cop out for not doing anything for at least the first half of day 1. We know he's here. There isn't anything to read. So why the hell should he get a free 24 hours off?


he *shouldn't*, but what you wanna do about it? do you want me to vote him for it like town killed him in Death Note? i don't see a satisfactory solution
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2012 14:16 GMT
#243
i'm pretty happy that i'll be able to read him once he starts posting properly, at any rate.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 10 2012 14:19 GMT
#244
On December 10 2012 23:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 23:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Palmar's post.

It's basically a cop out for not doing anything for at least the first half of day 1. We know he's here. There isn't anything to read. So why the hell should he get a free 24 hours off?


he *shouldn't*, but what you wanna do about it? do you want me to vote him for it like town killed him in Death Note? i don't see a satisfactory solution


I haven't read that game, but certainly this type of play isn't what I expect from Palmar as town.

In general I would use "laziness" as a one-word description of his scum play.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2012 14:26 GMT
#245
On December 10 2012 23:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 23:14 marvellosity wrote:
On December 10 2012 23:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Palmar's post.

It's basically a cop out for not doing anything for at least the first half of day 1. We know he's here. There isn't anything to read. So why the hell should he get a free 24 hours off?


he *shouldn't*, but what you wanna do about it? do you want me to vote him for it like town killed him in Death Note? i don't see a satisfactory solution


I haven't read that game, but certainly this type of play isn't what I expect from Palmar as town.

In general I would use "laziness" as a one-word description of his scum play.


100% agree, anyway there's not a lot to read, he got lynched (as town) because he had like one or two troll posts and did nothing else.

The point is that doing nothing is not the same as doing things lazily. So basically we have to wait for him to do something and then see how he does it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 10 2012 14:30 GMT
#246
@ WBG

We have now 4 people that have not contributed at all since the beginning of this game (Munk-E, Z-Boson, Vivax and Tunkeg). Palmar has made clear when he would be able to start to participate which is at least better than these 4 others.
I don't know all the players in this game, and I don't why/if the host would have chosen Palmar to be in the scumteam for balance reason.
So I am now under the impression that you are using Palmar as an excuse to not comment on the other players in this game.

What about Bluelightz ? Are you familiar with him ?
Any comment you would do on his entrance in the thread ?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 10 2012 14:48 GMT
#247
Why would I comment on people I don't think are scum?

I don't understand this line of questioning.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 10 2012 14:52 GMT
#248
Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone?

On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:

"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."

I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that.


His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt.

@ Jay

I read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either.

The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2012 15:04 GMT
#249
naw, I dunno who I wanna kill yet.

I wanna hear more from debears about his pushing of Adam.
And VE's vote on me is weird given he usually buddies me for at least the first 24 hours.

Those are the 2 main things I picked up so far, mostly waiting for all the inactives to show their faces.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Munk-E
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States672 Posts
December 10 2012 15:41 GMT
#250
Good morning and hello, everyone! I will be doing a more in depth reading of the thread, but for now, WBG, how on earth did you figure palmer was more likely to be scum than anyone? You said there were 5 people that hadn't participated yet, yet palmer, being one of them had a 2/3rds chance of being scum. Did you sleep through math class, or do you actually have some explaination to back that up?
You recognise me because of my signature!
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 10 2012 15:45 GMT
#251
On December 11 2012 00:41 Munk-E wrote:
Good morning and hello, everyone! I will be doing a more in depth reading of the thread, but for now, WBG, how on earth did you figure palmer was more likely to be scum than anyone? You said there were 5 people that hadn't participated yet, yet palmer, being one of them had a 2/3rds chance of being scum. Did you sleep through math class, or do you actually have some explaination to back that up?


for a first post I don't like how 'irrelevant' this one is. people questioning each other about arbitrary percentages never results in anything useful. munk-e, please get to other stuff from the thread asap
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Munk-E
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States672 Posts
December 10 2012 16:02 GMT
#252
On December 11 2012 00:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 00:41 Munk-E wrote:
Good morning and hello, everyone! I will be doing a more in depth reading of the thread, but for now, WBG, how on earth did you figure palmer was more likely to be scum than anyone? You said there were 5 people that hadn't participated yet, yet palmer, being one of them had a 2/3rds chance of being scum. Did you sleep through math class, or do you actually have some explaination to back that up?


for a first post I don't like how 'irrelevant' this one is. people questioning each other about arbitrary percentages never results in anything useful. munk-e, please get to other stuff from the thread asap


I just find it strange how he went from maybe or maybe not policy voting you,(he didn't make it clear either way, which seems like a way to cover his ass in case he made a mistake) to very heavily and arbitrarily tunneling palmer, with no evidence when he had 5 people with the exact same case against them. It doesn't make any sense to me.

I mean, he goes from out of nowhere accusing palmer saying he's 80% sure he's mafia, based on absolutely nothing, to when people ask him about it saying "woah, I didn't say i was certain he was scum"

On December 10 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
How many of them are there?

How many scum are probably in this game?

What did I say was my certainty on Palmar being scum?

Don't force me to treat you like you're dumb.


Then he lowers the percentage of palmer being scum, probably so if he flips town, he doesn't seem as guilty.


It just seems weird to me.
You recognise me because of my signature!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 10 2012 16:10 GMT
#253
@ Munk-E

Could you confirm me that it's only your second game on these forums ?
You get yourself lynched D1 or D2 for being inactive in a newbie lately, am I right ?

Weird scum or weird town for WBG ?
By the way, the way he phrased it didn't exactly mean he was 80% sure he was mafia. It was a preliminary thing, so I understood it as valuable only for this early game.

@ everyone

What's WBG reputation as a vet ? Would the scum in the mafiaQT shit their pants if he was town ?
Anyone else than marv in this game that would be considered as super strong town ?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2012 16:12 GMT
#254
bugs & Palmar both very strong town, VE not too shabby either.

Is there a reason you're asking?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
December 10 2012 16:16 GMT
#255
Hi guys, I've almost finished reading through.

The last post I liked most was from Bluelightz. I also want to remind you of Clarity_nl trying to discuss policy as a first step after thrawns slip. That caught my eye.

Posting more soon.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 16:17 GMT
#256
Maybe he wants to put a clear target on your guys' backs Marv
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2012 16:20 GMT
#257
On December 11 2012 01:17 debears wrote:
Maybe he wants to put a clear target on your guys' backs Marv


hi!

On December 10 2012 21:59 marvellosity wrote:
debears, I don't really get whatever your thing on Adam is. You seem to have a problem with him not immediately denouncing thrawn as scum or declaring him town. What's actually wrong with it?? It seems like you're manufacturing something out of nothing.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 16:22 GMT
#258
@Djo/Marv

Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum

On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


Notice

1) Your town play is way different
2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim
3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2012 16:24 GMT
#259
On December 11 2012 01:22 debears wrote:
@Djo/Marv

Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


Notice

1) Your town play is way different
2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim
3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast"


He said he wasn't calling him scum right that instant, he was questioning him to try to find out what was going on. That doesn't mean he didn't find the play scummy. Presumably the reason he's questioning him is BECAUSE his play was different from his town play. No?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 10 2012 16:25 GMT
#260
On December 11 2012 01:12 marvellosity wrote:
bugs & Palmar both very strong town, VE not too shabby either.

Is there a reason you're asking?


Yeah, I was wondering if the scumteam would let scum Munk-E post what he did post against WBG, assuming he is town, or even if he is scum himself.
Newbies don't go generally after the vets like this, especially if they are scum, because they know they should be careful with such guy and such guy from some other experienced player in the scumQT.
So, basically, my point is that Munk-E doesn't seem to know about WBG reputation or whatever so I lean town on him because it leads me to think he doesn't have extra-info.
I'm for giving him some slack and letting him post his thoughts without pressuring him to much. I don't want him to go into "newbie shell mode", especially if he is town, and I currently think there are greater chances for this than him being scum.
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