Paranoia Mafia

On November 28 2012 12:05 debears wrote:


Yes, I know I am scary

On November 29 2012 08:31 Dandel Ion wrote:

BAYLIFE
*brofist*

On November 29 2012 08:54 Keirathi wrote:
/replacement

On November 29 2012 09:00 Promethelax wrote:


watch out, I thought I'd have a better time just replacing and I wouldn't be in a full game. Than ACME happened.

On November 30 2012 08:03 marvellosity wrote:
No, I say "Totes town ^^"

but the meaning is much the same

On November 30 2012 08:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
Hey guys, I totes thought the game was gonna start friday night.

Now to decide - do I dare read my PM or not....



I also like lurker lynching, because I want to hide behind policy bandwagons. But it seems the crafty Xatalos preempted my devilish plan.
....
I still like it tho

On November 30 2012 08:47 Xatalos wrote:
The beginning of this game is quite... different... from newbie games Trolling seems to be the norm. Somehow I just don't like making yourself artificially harder to read. It's kind of like a selfish metagame plan to confuse other players - not to help your team. What's the point in establishing yourself as a null read? Except denying meaningful information from scumhunting?

On November 30 2012 09:10 DoYouHas wrote:


Well that is a suspicious way of responding to BH's vote.

##Vote Xatalos

On November 30 2012 09:12 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe I underestimated the usefulness of these fluff posts. At least it beats inactivity and gives "something" to work with, opposed to an empty thread. Every little bit of info can help later on. Although nothing even nearly decisive has been said yet.

On November 30 2012 09:15 Dandel Ion wrote:

I'm a noob too, and you already lynched me

So inconsistant

On November 30 2012 09:16 Zealos wrote:

We only voted. More lies from the scum.

On November 30 2012 09:20 marvellosity wrote:


Why would you be worried about that with the preponderence of highly experienced players within the game?

On November 30 2012 09:49 DoYouHas wrote:
@Darth, what I remember about Xata is that he is not a bad player. With 3-4 games under his belt he may be one of the newest in the game, but I would not call him a complete noob.

What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing.

You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation.

PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment.

On November 30 2012 10:43 debears wrote:


DP plz stop being silly with the noobness argument.

Any given sunday brah

On November 30 2012 10:47 debears wrote:


Cool. You want to read my other posts which are about other stuff?

Or do you really think I could be scum?

On November 30 2012 11:14 debears wrote:


That isn't minor or nitpicky what you said. You went out of the way to say you're noob. That's scummy as shit

And the same for DoYouHas. Trying to raise suspicion on one of the possibly most helpful town players so early makes no sense. Scummy as shit

On November 30 2012 11:19 debears wrote:


Which one are you talking about here, Doyou or dandel?

On November 30 2012 11:26 debears wrote:


Hey guys I found a picture of Ace^^^^^^^^^^^^

Love how his name goes perfectly with top gun theme

On November 30 2012 11:33 ShiaoPi wrote:


Obviously

On November 30 2012 23:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
But you not liking it is not the same thing as it being untrue. While I don't agree with outing the reads either, I think Xata gave a legit explanation of why he did so. He could obviously be lying but he could be speaking the truth and thus I don't really see how we can read so much into it and I am treating it as a null tell for the time being.

On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.

ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess.

On December 01 2012 01:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
Regarding people who are being over trolly in the sense that they basically haven't posted anything abot the game yet, BH and MrZentor. I played with Zentor and he was like this all game (aka, doing nothing) so it's mostly BH I'm concerned about. Marv have been posting alot of things but he have at least been posting some usefull stuff so I'm fine with that.

Regarding Zealos, I don't really care about any posts but his last. I basically agree what he was saying about questions, they are good but should be used as a complement to scum hunting, rather than replacing it. I don't think we can read too much into his post tho. I am going to treat him as null for the time being and see if he actually does something usefull.

Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm.

On November 30 2012 22:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I don't like this post at all because at a first glimpse you get the impression that Marv adviced against outing town reads and that Xata still insisted on doing so when it is in fact the other way around. The only two reasons for you to do this is imo:
a). You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?
b). You are attempting to make Xata look worse then he in fact did, which is a straight up scum motive.

Neither of these are good for town.

##Unvote
##Vote ShiaoPi

On December 01 2012 11:01 Blazinghand wrote:
DP is scum btw

As town he throws around 1-liners and votes aggressively with questionable amounts of explanation. He doesn't afraid of anyone. As scum he's still aggressive, but he's very methodological. Up until his post on Lazermonkey he was playing more like his town meta but town DP rarely/never makes big posts like that, especially early game. Contrast his D1 play in Mario Mini (town) where he drops votes like they're hot (link) (link) with his game in LC where he writes out long posts that look exactly like this lazermonkey post (link) (note: this one ends in an FoS because Marv was being lynched that game).

This is now aggro town DP this is plodding scum DP.

##vote DarthPunk

On December 01 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:


this is scummy as shit. actually we've not been useless for quite a lot of pages now, and if you'd read properly you'd know this.

luckily for you, bugs is scummier right now.

On December 01 2012 11:08 Blazinghand wrote:


Yeah DP I'm gonna be real here you're playing quite a bit like scum DP. But Marv is.. sigh... right and WBG contradicting himself on his face like that really REALLY is scummier than you playing to your scum meta. You've got no credibility with me baby.

On December 01 2012 11:50 debears wrote:


only 4 posts in day 1 though....none of quality :/

On December 01 2012 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
It shows he doesn't care about looking scummy.

On December 01 2012 15:35 Blazinghand wrote:
i'm buying what WBG is selling

##unvote
##vote DP

On December 01 2012 16:26 Blazinghand wrote:
zzz

On December 01 2012 16:30 Blazinghand wrote:
typical DP scum play and lack of response to my case

On December 01 2012 16:52 Blazinghand wrote:
GSL Mini III had like a 5 day long D1, that was over 48 hours in. The initial 48 hours conform to your D1 town meta, and you should know that.

That's not how you opened up Mario Mini at all: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16886982

The newbie mini game is indeed an exception, but it was your second game and you were being coached by the magnificent me so I'm sure that changes things.

Overall your response is misleading.

On December 01 2012 16:53 Blazinghand wrote:
DP if you think I'm scum make a case and vote me. Stop beating around the bush. Or are you afraid to come at me because of the dangers the truth holds for you?

On December 01 2012 16:54 Blazinghand wrote:
DP is spewing lies in his panicking state, just like scum would.

On December 01 2012 16:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, btw, the fact that you think I didn't read your mini mafia filter when it's one of the things I linked in my case against you indicates to me even more that you really didn't read my case. All you care about is squirming your way out of this lynch like the slimy scum player you are. At LEAST read the case against you, man!

On December 01 2012 17:00 Blazinghand wrote:


Dude I was literally in, hosting, or coaching all three games you cited. I know your meta at least as well as you do. Of course I read those games.

On December 01 2012 17:02 Blazinghand wrote:


Those two statements don't convince me, and I doubt they will convince anyone else except perhaps those of your scumbuddies who don't want to bus you just yet.

On December 01 2012 17:08 Blazinghand wrote:
I have no comments on WBG at this time other than that his explanation for his statements on xatalos is acceptable to me.

How scummy are you based on this meta case that you claim has exceptions but really only has one exception, which is a newbie game, your first game ever as town? Very scummy. How scummy are you based on the fact you clearly didn't read or click through the links on the case but just blindly attacked it, and me, and despite calling me scummy are afraid to vote me due to my veteran status? Very scummy. I've got nothing to say to you or in response to any of your statements about Lazermonkey.

On December 01 2012 17:22 Blazinghand wrote:
If you know your own meta then as a townie then you have nothing to fear-- you should be able to quite easily dispel this meta case. Unfortunately for you, you rolled scum this game and have utterly failed to dispel any cases.

On December 01 2012 18:48 Lazermonkey wrote:
Just woke up...
I really don't get how you can read so much into the Ace vote TBH. It was a joke obviously
And it was less then one hour from game starting so I he was hardly in any danger at all. The fact that you are even using this as an argument against me is mind boggling.

Also, I see how you can say that I don't have any reads yet when it's quite clear that he have a scum read on ShiaoPi...While I think WBG post about me was weak, DP ''case'' is FAR worse.
This post is taken heavily out side of context. I said this to show how stupid ShiaoPi's arguments against Xata were. So if anything I am taking a stance AGAINST ShiaoPi. While it is true I had a null read on Xata at the time of this post(still do) that is totaly and utterly irrelavant.
I don't really see how me making null reads on some players is making me scum. And the funny thing is, you find that my argument for saying that they are null makes me even more scummy. What a fucked up logic is that? So it would be better for me to simply say that they are null without even an explanation? If some action from some could be considered scummy or townie and it all comes down to WIFOM to determ which one it is, don't you think that is a null tell?

While I may not have phrased myself in an optimal way I don't get how you can say that:

''You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?''
=
''shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error.''

Like WTF, there is a huge diference between theese two. While a) could be done by a really crappy town player it also can be motivated from scum PoV. And saying that there is a 50% chance for either of my estimations is bullcrap. It comes down to which of the explanations you think is more likely. He obviously either did a) or b) but it doesn't really matter unless he is a bad town player in which case we might have to reconsider. But Afaik ShiaoPi is quite experienced player, no?

Several times in this post DP are taking things out of context and he missinterprets ALOT of stuff. He is trying to make me look far worse than I in fact. There isn't any reason for this for town.

Also notice how close after WBGs post this came. While I'd say it's quite unlikely that scum team WBG and DP would make a push at the same time against me, I think it's perfectly resonable to say that DP saw WBGs post and thought there were a decent chance to cause a bandwagon on me.

DP just rose immensley on my scum-o-meter. While I am still suspicious of ShiaoPi because he is yet to come back and give a satisfying answer I think DP is looking worse.

##Unvote
##Vote DarthPunk

On December 01 2012 19:33 Lazermonkey wrote:
I don't know what to make of BH. His first case against MrZ was based on the assumption that MrZ plays well. He doesn't, so it kinda falls apart. His insane vote flip flopping is just not accomplishing anything, he is neither pushing nor pressuring anyone by saying ''Hmm, scum, I'll vote you'' and two seconds afterwards ''wait a minute, unvote, I'll vote you instead''. His whole case on DP was based on quite weak meta assumptions. Had it not been for DP I'd say he is scum but I really can't see a world where both BH and DP are scum.

Actually, I'd not be suprised if one of BH is in fact 3:rd party. His play seems very off as either alignment, and especially for a player of his caliber I thik that it worrisome.

On December 01 2012 22:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Does OMGUS really mean that you are pushing someone for them being bad? Because in that case I don't how my post is being based on OMGUS.

Basically this post is you saying. ''Lol, I look so ProTown because I'm ProTown because I'm town. Your case sux because you are not ProTown''. Really wtf. I have several points in my case that points toward you being scum. I also answered for all of your arguments on why I am being scum. And all you say is that I am OMGUS-voting you? what? Can you please say what part of the case is OMGUS and motivate why that is? You really aren't saying anything in this post. Nothing you mention is being backed up by even a single piece of evidence.

Btw, in the bolded partyou are now guilty of doing exactly what you accused me of doing earlier. What is your stance on me currently?

On December 01 2012 22:44 Lazermonkey wrote:
1. WTF DUDE, you really aren't looking at what I am writing and in what context I am writing it. I was talking about YOUR accusation of ME being scum for dishing out a couple of null tells, not the other way around. The amount of times you are missreading stuff and calling me scum for it is fucking insane.

2. Yes, and?

3. Ofc, and that is why I think you are scum.

4. You calling me scum on false premises is not the same thing as OMGUS.

On December 01 2012 22:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
EBWOP
Once again: Can you give some examples of when I phrase my null tells in a scummy way?