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Hopeless1der
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Hopeless1der
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On November 27 2012 09:46 Promethelax wrote: GK, fair enough. I think it is time our viggies got aimed at scum instead of lurkers. We don't know we'll get a lynch we do know that Toad is scum. No we dont. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 27 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote: Grawefakwjehfk I want to lynch someone T_T Oh well. @ Hopeless Curious - did Toad end up healing you? No record of a heal. I took 75 damage. I think I was healed, but the amount doesn't match Toad's claim. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote: Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scum PS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta. I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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DIENO, DAMAGE REPORT ON PARTY CANDIDATES PLEASE!! | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: I would like to run for party leader My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot. Why you can trust me I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum. On November 27 2012 10:09 strongandbig wrote: i don't think we should be treating the party election like a dt check given the relative number of parties vs lynches so far i feel like winning the events is the most important thing so i only want people who i think are town to be in the party If we're using it as a DT check, I'm first in line, so you can sit back down Hapa. Also, I'm not even asking to be leader, just to tag along. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 27 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote: Oh I totes confused names for some reason. Yes Syllo instead of Chronicler/Acro. Whaddya think? I'm in a position where I'm not under suspicion, and I (as hypothetical scum) would only have everything to lose by presenting myself like this. I am vehemently against TC or Acro on the party, similar to how they are opposed to me being on the party. In addition, you are introducing two new players to the party. Not something I'm down with. | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Well I got an item, it wasnt gold, I dont get bonuses for my ability based on whether Im in a party so yeah I would prefer to be kept out of the party. NOOOO MARV!! I WILL TAKE REVENGE ON CLARITY !!! AND GMARSHAL!!  I don't want syllo or Oats on this party. Items appear to be tied to the party leader. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 27 2012 10:15 Promethelax wrote: you have nothing to lose at all. Note how Toad confirmed himself as scum and is still around. NO ONE VOTE TOAD! I want to vote Toad purely out of spite. No one is confirmed anything except for marv and kush. Hey Toad, you still need a vote to prevent damage? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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It could have been damage prevention, as opposed to an actual heal. The net effect was an apparent 75 damage but I don't know what caused the reduction. On November 27 2012 10:32 Djodref wrote: What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ? Of course possible, but I don't like the way Acro claimed his check on Toad (took way too long) and his aggression in general has him making insulting comments and evoking emotional responses, generally discouraging thoughts or discussion from players because they are 'stupid'. TC could be lying, but it seems like its a harder role to lie about. One-Shot-Role+Alignment Cop (One-Shot anything) can't be further verified with the exception of flipping Toad. Framer's would have had to target Toad or Sandroba N1 and then Me or Acro N2. Its a lot more work for TC to be scum in this situation, but it is possible. No matter the situation, I see Acro as the most likely scum between Acro/TC/Me Toad town - TC may be lying, I know I'm town, Acro's claim was poorly timed Toad scum - TC seems to be telling the truth, I know I'm town, Acro is scum if I trust TC's claim. We still need to see to it that Toad dies in order to get anywhere further on this discussion. Unless Acro is claiming 3rd party (which it seems like he is), he's my top scumread, besides Toad having redchecks against him. On November 27 2012 11:42 Dienosore wrote: Just one more question before I head back to lurk in the shadows... Should we be concerned that Clarity pushed Marv out of the car, DESPITE MY BRILLIANT PINK RIBBON PLAN? I don't want to be looking at the flavor for clues, especially since Cycle 3 was (and still is) missing for so long. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: Keirathi Also, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. | ||
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Hmm...yeah that was a brainfart. Unless the event itself can steal items, there's no reason to exclude them. That line of thought should only have prevented them from being leader. | ||
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I did+ Show Spoiler + On November 27 2012 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote: It could have been damage prevention, as opposed to an actual heal. The net effect was an apparent 75 damage but I don't know what caused the reduction. SNIP K srsly bedtime. Laptop turning off now. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 28 2012 00:21 Djodref wrote: Ok, I'm going to follow marv last advice and use some KISS. Toad is scum. Iamp and Clarity are both town with protective roles. TheChronicler is town and says his truth. Prom is town and says his truth. Acro is 3rd party and Hopeless is town If Hopeless is town then Z-Bo might be scum. Adam is more likely to be town than scum. I'm very uncomfortable with VE. There is some 3rd party or scum among kita and CJ ? Except the part concerning Prome, would anybody agree or disagree on some points ? I've made one change to this post. I'm not scum. Also, Z-Bo being scum isn't really tied to me the way you've phrased it, but sure. Everything else, I agree is the simplest explanation. What are the thoughts on killing off 3rd party in lieu of scum? Our job is to kill Lavos, and while hunting scum makes Lavos appear sooner, we don't know if that's a good thing. Either way, we don't win just by killing off scum. Basically I'm asking if I should be trying to get Acro killed or not. On November 28 2012 00:39 iamperfection wrote: hapa i don't see your dmg report after day 1 where was it? He didn't report day1 damage On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote: I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2? This was cycle 2, not cycle 1. Aside from that, his total damage claimed checks out, but his "lie" about when the damage took place is sketchy. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 28 2012 01:27 iamperfection wrote: you are not listening. say you took 20 dmg and i healed you. You would get you took 20 dmg and you were healed you took no damage cycle1 That would mean someone prevented some amount of damage on me last night. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote: If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop. If Toad flips Queen Zeal, I think he's telling the truth. His filter has slipped his being 3rd party before that post. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 28 2012 01:40 Acrofales wrote: Also, @Chronicler: please use your parity cop check sensibly next time. I liked your first check, but how about you keep the chain going instead of creating crazy speculation until someone flips. Check someone against someone who is either as close to confirmed town as we can get (Dienosore springs to mind) or confirmed scum (Toad). The latter is obviously more useful, because it actually finds scum, instead of 3P. Your check on Hopeless1derp is now completely useless, because it says nothing of whether he's scum or town. Stop that please. It's needlessly disrespectful. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 28 2012 02:06 Hapahauli wrote: Hm I'm inclined to believe Acro here. He fits the profile of the classic "pro-town but slightly-off" profile of a 3rd party. Lotsa scumhunting, but some weird things in his filter that aren't necessarily mafia-motivated. Also, him going after Toad so hard (and being one of the first to do so) seems pretty unlikely if Toad flips red. Him being scum is unlikely, regarding that last line? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On November 28 2012 02:19 phagga wrote: I object on Prom or Hopeless being in the party. I lean on syllos side when it comes to prom, I can follow his arguments and agree with them. Hopeless behaviour about him wanting to be in the party this day looks really scum motivated. If he knows himself that people doubt his townieness, there is no reason for him to be wanting in the party as town. I feel unsure about Djo being on the party. He has been shown erratic behaviour and speculation that was useless. I'd rather not have him in the party. I look forward to hear from z-boson again. I disagree that my behavior looks strictly scum motivated, there are town motives as well: Townies want to be on the party. I see it as a way to clear my name so that people stop discussing me as a lynch candidate because I know that it is likely to end in my death. While the discussion will hopefully be helpful in finding scum after I flip, it comes at the cost of a townie. Depending on our lynch availability we can't afford to be wasting it on me and I want to find a way to confirm or deny the accusation against me. Being selected to be on the event party is an opportunity to do so. | ||
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