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On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this?
For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo.
TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has).
As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask.
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On November 26 2012 10:46 iamperfection wrote:
well hopeless how important to town would you say you are in regards to a heal?
I honestly don't know. My self-inflictions aren't a fixed value, and the results are not predictable (yet). If I had to guess, 4/10 right now. Setup speculation could put me higher, but I'm not necessary for anything that I'm aware of.
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On November 26 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessWell first-off, while I'm interested in hearing your responses, I'm more interested in seeing you scumhunt. But that being said, there are some things I want to hear about: Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little  ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time. The issue here is that you see "mafia motivation" in your own actions, which is really odd, given that a townie-Hopeless would have less doubts about his actions. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but it is a notable choice nonetheless. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo. TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has). As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask. Uhh... that bolded part makes no sense. You didn't believe TheChronicler's check on Toad, but you believed Acro's check on toad. This would be fine and dandy if Acro wasn't your top scumread right now. Please explain. Also, who's your top scumread atm?
Toad claimed in response to TC's check:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:When did you check Sandroba and when did you check me? Sandroba just flipped frame busdriver, just asking because I'm not mafia. I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him?
Dude, if you knew :p
I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :pIf you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE  So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p
He 'explains' how he doesn't need the vote to stick here:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote:
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You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways.
It was more a matter of 'what if Toad is telling the truth' than whether or not I believed TC's claim (or Acro's). Very rarely is it a good idea to ignore a claimed redcheck (grush notwithstanding) but its a themed game, crazy shit happens.
My scumreads on either Acro or Z-Bo are very dependent on Toad flipping town. If he flips Queen Zeal like Acro says, I eat my words and try to find scum elsewhere, but one thing at a time.
I've yet to go through properly, but I remember Z-Bo being suspicious of Toad because his posting didn't match his LVII game where Toad was an assassin. If he was right, he called it really early and I'd call it an unlikely bus.
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On November 26 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:58 Mementoss wrote:On November 26 2012 10:55 Promethelax wrote:
Starting to think about actions, should we send them to Hassy now too? No it should be fine im back in action okay, excellent. Thanks. Hope, are you saying you did damage to yourself but don't know the result of that action?
I know what happened the first time but I don't actually know what the results are until I get them. I only have one data point to infer what my ability is.
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On November 26 2012 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
also: I read that post from Toad thought "oh cool so not voting Toad is like having a 500 HP vig shot on a vet that many people think is scummy; I'll vote elsewhere thanks" If you had kept your vote off him for a while we could have pressured him with his claimed role but no.
Why did you want the heal over Syllo/Dieno? Why did you think that you were more of a town asset than either of them?
I'd say its probably worth another go, and I didn't really think about who could benefit more than me. I'm not a greater asset, now that you ask. And as for the 500hp vig shot, yes in hindsight probably not the best move if we could finish him off.
@Hapa:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessWell first-off, while I'm interested in hearing your responses, I'm more interested in seeing you scumhunt. But that being said, there are some things I want to hear about: On November 26 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time. The issue here is that you see "mafia motivation" in your own actions, which is really odd, given that a townie-Hopeless would have less doubts about his actions. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but it is a notable choice nonetheless. On November 26 2012 10:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo. TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has). As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask. Uhh... that bolded part makes no sense. You didn't believe TheChronicler's check on Toad, but you believed Acro's check on toad. This would be fine and dandy if Acro wasn't your top scumread right now. Please explain. Also, who's your top scumread atm? Toad claimed in response to TC's check: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:When did you check Sandroba and when did you check me? Sandroba just flipped frame busdriver, just asking because I'm not mafia. I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him?
Dude, if you knew :p
I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :pIf you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p He 'explains' how he doesn't need the vote to stick here: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote:
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You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways. It was more a matter of 'what if Toad is telling the truth' than whether or not I believed TC's claim (or Acro's). Very rarely is it a good idea to ignore a claimed redcheck (grush notwithstanding) but its a themed game, crazy shit happens. My scumreads on either Acro or Z-Bo are very dependent on Toad flipping town. If he flips Queen Zeal like Acro says, I eat my words and try to find scum elsewhere, but one thing at a time.
I've yet to go through properly, but I remember Z-Bo being suspicious of Toad because his posting didn't match his LVII game where Toad was an assassin. If he was right, he called it really early and I'd call it an unlikely bus. Ok the bolded makes absolutely no sense with your previous posts. Show nested quote +I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked.
To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum. Your "scumread" on Acro isn't dependent at all on Toad flipping town. It's not even part of your analysis. Hell I'm looking through your filter and I'm seeing all sorts of strange regarding your attitude on Toad. I'll post that in a minute, but I do want to know why you're suggesting your suspicion on Z-Bo/Acro is conditional on Toad flipping town.
Acro has a 1-shot role+alignment check on Toad. Its referencd in the post you quoted, through another quote via Draz, I neglected to emphasize it. I still ended with the conclusion that both Toad and I would flip town, and my hopes that our flips would be followed by pressure on Acro/Z-Bo.
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On November 26 2012 11:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
also: I read that post from Toad thought "oh cool so not voting Toad is like having a 500 HP vig shot on a vet that many people think is scummy; I'll vote elsewhere thanks" If you had kept your vote off him for a while we could have pressured him with his claimed role but no.
Why did you want the heal over Syllo/Dieno? Why did you think that you were more of a town asset than either of them? I'd say its probably worth another go, and I didn't really think about who could benefit more than me. I'm not a greater asset, now that you ask. And as for the 500hp vig shot, yes in hindsight probably not the best move if we could finish him off. @Hapa: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessWell first-off, while I'm interested in hearing your responses, I'm more interested in seeing you scumhunt. But that being said, there are some things I want to hear about: On November 26 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time. The issue here is that you see "mafia motivation" in your own actions, which is really odd, given that a townie-Hopeless would have less doubts about his actions. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but it is a notable choice nonetheless. On November 26 2012 10:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo. TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has). As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask. Uhh... that bolded part makes no sense. You didn't believe TheChronicler's check on Toad, but you believed Acro's check on toad. This would be fine and dandy if Acro wasn't your top scumread right now. Please explain. Also, who's your top scumread atm? Toad claimed in response to TC's check: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:When did you check Sandroba and when did you check me? Sandroba just flipped frame busdriver, just asking because I'm not mafia. I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
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Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him?
Dude, if you knew :p
I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :pIf you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p He 'explains' how he doesn't need the vote to stick here: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote:
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You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways. It was more a matter of 'what if Toad is telling the truth' than whether or not I believed TC's claim (or Acro's). Very rarely is it a good idea to ignore a claimed redcheck (grush notwithstanding) but its a themed game, crazy shit happens. My scumreads on either Acro or Z-Bo are very dependent on Toad flipping town. If he flips Queen Zeal like Acro says, I eat my words and try to find scum elsewhere, but one thing at a time.
I've yet to go through properly, but I remember Z-Bo being suspicious of Toad because his posting didn't match his LVII game where Toad was an assassin. If he was right, he called it really early and I'd call it an unlikely bus. Ok the bolded makes absolutely no sense with your previous posts. Show nested quote +I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked.
To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum. Your "scumread" on Acro isn't dependent at all on Toad flipping town. It's not even part of your analysis. Hell I'm looking through your filter and I'm seeing all sorts of strange regarding your attitude on Toad. I'll post that in a minute, but I do want to know why you're suggesting your suspicion on Z-Bo/Acro is conditional on Toad flipping town. Acro has a 1-shot role+alignment check on Toad. Its referencd in the post you quoted, through another quote via Draz, I neglected to emphasize it. I still ended with the conclusion that both Toad and I would flip town, and my hopes that our flips would be followed by pressure on Acro/Z-Bo. so you think TheChronicler is lying too?
Not at the moment no, I've explained this already.
On November 26 2012 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:
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do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims could you explain why this is possible? First off, I think it's way simpler for Toad to be scum. In order for Toad to be town, the most plausible scenario would be that scum framed him night 1 and acro faked his "1-shot role+alignment check". If Toad flips scum, awesome. If he doesn't, I have a problem with Z-Bo and Acro, and lets face it, I'm not winning that fight. Again, I'm covering my bases for the just in case scenario.
On November 26 2012 11:32 Promethelax wrote:
So, Hopeless, would you please get into the filters of Acro and Zbo and tell me what they are pushing as a scum team with Sand. What is it that that three man group is doing? Is TC a part of it? Why or why not?
You're just going to lynch Toad anyways, unless you plan to ignore two claimed redchecks.
If anyone is lying, the most likely suspect is Toad. If Toad flips town all of this becomes relevant. If he flips scum, I find a crowbar to get my foot out of my mouth. I'll gladly do the work if it looks like I have a shot of getting one of them lynched, but right now I think it would be a waste.
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On November 26 2012 11:41 Promethelax wrote:
OKay so, just making sure I have this right, Acro and Zbo are both scum Toad and TC are town, Toad was framed by Acro/Zbo and Acro claimed to know Toad's role name and alignment because...?
Because I'm insane. Deal with it. When Toad flips scum, have a field day with me, this is no longer productive.
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On November 26 2012 11:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 11:41 Promethelax wrote:
OKay so, just making sure I have this right, Acro and Zbo are both scum Toad and TC are town, Toad was framed by Acro/Zbo and Acro claimed to know Toad's role name and alignment because...? Because I'm insane. Deal with it. When Toad flips scum, have a field day with me, this is no longer productive. nor are you. if you're town, try doing something useful? you're planning for the 1% and it's a dumb use of your time
Yes sir...looking for connections to Toad now.
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On November 26 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessShow nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:37 Hapahauli wrote:On November 26 2012 11:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
also: I read that post from Toad thought "oh cool so not voting Toad is like having a 500 HP vig shot on a vet that many people think is scummy; I'll vote elsewhere thanks" If you had kept your vote off him for a while we could have pressured him with his claimed role but no.
Why did you want the heal over Syllo/Dieno? Why did you think that you were more of a town asset than either of them? I'd say its probably worth another go, and I didn't really think about who could benefit more than me. I'm not a greater asset, now that you ask. And as for the 500hp vig shot, yes in hindsight probably not the best move if we could finish him off. @Hapa: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessWell first-off, while I'm interested in hearing your responses, I'm more interested in seeing you scumhunt. But that being said, there are some things I want to hear about: On November 26 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time. The issue here is that you see "mafia motivation" in your own actions, which is really odd, given that a townie-Hopeless would have less doubts about his actions. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but it is a notable choice nonetheless. On November 26 2012 10:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:
So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo. TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has). As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask. Uhh... that bolded part makes no sense. You didn't believe TheChronicler's check on Toad, but you believed Acro's check on toad. This would be fine and dandy if Acro wasn't your top scumread right now. Please explain. Also, who's your top scumread atm? Toad claimed in response to TC's check: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:When did you check Sandroba and when did you check me? Sandroba just flipped frame busdriver, just asking because I'm not mafia. I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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dude I just answered that with the post you quoted...
Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him?
Dude, if you knew :p
I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :pIf you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p He 'explains' how he doesn't need the vote to stick here: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote:
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You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways. It was more a matter of 'what if Toad is telling the truth' than whether or not I believed TC's claim (or Acro's). Very rarely is it a good idea to ignore a claimed redcheck (grush notwithstanding) but its a themed game, crazy shit happens. My scumreads on either Acro or Z-Bo are very dependent on Toad flipping town. If he flips Queen Zeal like Acro says, I eat my words and try to find scum elsewhere, but one thing at a time.
I've yet to go through properly, but I remember Z-Bo being suspicious of Toad because his posting didn't match his LVII game where Toad was an assassin. If he was right, he called it really early and I'd call it an unlikely bus. Ok the bolded makes absolutely no sense with your previous posts. Show nested quote +I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked.
To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum. Your "scumread" on Acro isn't dependent at all on Toad flipping town. It's not even part of your analysis. Hell I'm looking through your filter and I'm seeing all sorts of strange regarding your attitude on Toad. I'll post that in a minute, but I do want to know why you're suggesting your suspicion on Z-Bo/Acro is conditional on Toad flipping town. Acro has a 1-shot role+alignment check on Toad. Its referencd in the post you quoted, through another quote via Draz, I neglected to emphasize it. I still ended with the conclusion that both Toad and I would flip town, and my hopes that our flips would be followed by pressure on Acro/Z-Bo. Wait you concluded that Toad would flip town? Where? I need your response to the above. I can't find where you "conclude" this. Secondly... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=172#3435Why were you so confident in Acro's claim early on? Also, why were you so seemingly confident that Toad was scum early on in the cycle?
1. The fantasy world where my reads make sense. Toad has to flip town for my suspicions against Acro to mean anything.
2. That wasn't confidence, that was responding to a claimed redcheck and anger at Acro for calling me an idiot while he's sitting on near confirmation that he's right. Now, I realize its from Draz, but does the following not make sense:On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.
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all this talk of sleep is making me tired. I think I'll follow suit.
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On November 27 2012 02:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 02:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Yes, it is completely devoid of logic. I imagine s&b also picked up on my breadcrumb from earlier:
Aww shucks, how'd I miss that one. I'm so bad.
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one).
I have no issue with either of those statements, with the exception that in case 1) I hope someone checks me and realizes my mind operates in a drunken haze of sillyness.
Seconded on the Z-bo difficulties. In the event that case 2) is true (Toad = town) I'd like to draw attention to:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all?
In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... On November 23 2012 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all?
In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
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Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
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What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
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What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to? On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hopeless
I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people.
I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
@Hopeless
I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people.
I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc Yeah, except he was SK in a reasonably normal setup. Its a bad benchmark for looking for town toad. EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways
There's also his vote on Toad here:
On November 25 2012 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote:
Regarding my vote
I know I said earlier that I expected other people to easily be able to figure out sand, but I never figured it'd be this fast, this easy, and with so little discussion. I really don't like how easily his wagon took off, especially given the fact that syllo, who is basically telling people to sheep him, has disappeared (despite saying he was going to be more active today). This smells really fishy, and is not how I expected it to go down, at all.
Also, it grew extremely quickly, so either mafia decided to bus him fast or they actually want him dead. I'm inclined to think the latter, given that he's a strong player.
Additionally, sand seems to be heading into modkill-land. I really think this is a wasted lynch, especially when he said that he was going to be afk.
Right now I'd rather lynch prome (or even iamp), but I can live with a Toad lynch. Since we need to consolidate, and I don't have much time right now, I'll just go ahead and vote toad. Like I noted earlier, his play is totally different from when he was trying to look townie, and Acro's case is convincing enough. I'll comment more when I have more time. Have to go right now, but will post from cell phone should anyone have any questions.
Anyways, ##Vote Toaddestern.
His vote is really weak, and at the bolded, Toad was trying to look town while he was not town in LVII. Z-Boson looks scummy to me regardless of what Toad flips.
Z-Bo has yet to further explain his read of Toad (kinda pointless with 2 redchecks, so I'll ignore this)
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-Queen Zeal
SNIP
On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:
Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal
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On November 27 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Hopeless
Huh? What does that have to do with anything?
Toad needs to flip Queen Zeal specifically, or Acro was misinformed in some way.
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Time for a drink. *crosses fingers*
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gg marv.
Response to TC's case (my responses in red):
On November 27 2012 08:00 TheChronicler wrote:My case will be on Hopeless1der. A lot of the things that make him my top scum read (besides Toad) are things that have taken on a different context in hindsight.
1) His vote for himself taking it off sylo. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. I don't get it. Here is his justification. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result What things? He even says his vote doesn't have anything to do with his role. So what things? Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 08:00 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote: Syllogism
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result Does your vote have an influence on your role? I am not currently aware of any such influence. I'm an explorer. I said I was not currently aware, but my role PM explicitly denies me knowledge of my role abilities. I have one ability that in turn grants me new (unknown) abilities. As such, venturing off on my own (voting myself) seemed appropriate to my role, I took a guess at 'things that might do stuff based on my role'. It didn't do anything, but it was worth a shot. My actions had no effect on the election.Next up we have his actions towards Sandro, who we now know was scum. These things might not point to scum otherwise, but with a confirmed flip I think it's telling. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote:
In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns) On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed. He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3) Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one. My setup exploration was unproductive by the way. Is this a soft defense? Is it a slight accusation? I don't know, in fact it just looks like a bunch of nothing. If you still need to read Sandroba why do you feel the need to point out Looney Lynching mafia? And the ever famous scum pushing something off line, "I'm going to go look into that one" regarding his interactions with Sylo. Did he come back and talk about what he found? No. ...You quoted my sand read further down. It being wrong doesn't mean it never happened. Not referencing the syllo interaction directly is the only thing that holds water here. Also, I make note of my "setup exploration" refering to the errant vote I dropped on myself.
Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all?
In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote:
@both:
Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
[quote]
What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:
[quote]
What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to? And this piece of work. This one actually is near null for me, but what does it accomplish? Was zbo not descriptive enough when he said he was disturbed by Toad's lack of posting? This is a post that once again, does nothing. Null on its own, but when taken in the context of this post... Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways So you have the knowledge of Toad's actual role name in a game but don't know what zbo is talking about when referencing him? Z-Bo referenced a game in which Toad was NOT TOWN and used the fact that they DID NOT MATCH as evidence that Toad is NOT TOWN. This logic is completely false and I specifically asked for TOWN TOAD games, which Z-bo was unwilling to provide.
Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oats, you're lucky I have no new info to speculate with, or I'd derail the shit out of things with setup speculation. So... we're lucky you didn't have anything else to shit up the thread with, so you're just going to fill it with more nothing. That makes sense. Marv got to be snippy too. You're reaching with this point.
Onto his defense of sand... Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 00:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day On November 21 2012 17:00 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 15:59 syllogism wrote:
Sandro who do you think is [most likely to be] town so far? I'll do better and give you 2 I have a pretty good town read on: Diodude and oatsmaster. @Djoref I'll try to put in an effort and explain my reads properly when the time comes, but I'm gonna wait a little more before I do that. 'When the time comes' would most likely have been when he was close to being elected leader. However, his activity dropped and we shifted to syllo. On November 22 2012 17:26 sandroba wrote:
@syllo that was me quickly reading through the thread and answering stuff after going out. I ignored your mafia question because honestly I'm not putting too much thought into it. When I can't acertain the dude is town I pretty much dismiss it till later, since so far we can't really do much about it. I'm kinda hurt that you think there is a >50% chance that I'm mafia. </3 On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent: On November 22 2012 17:29 sandroba wrote:
I'll probably be taking oats/die/kush (if he doesnt die). kush ended up dying and we didn't hear much more from sand on the topic, but the fact remains, he picked 2 members of the party quite early. On November 22 2012 17:38 sandroba wrote:
@gk from what he claimed marv needs to have less than 30 hp for him to die? Well I'd rather just wait then think about it. It's pretty lucky that I can get those 3 tbh, that would be ideal imo. This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity.
I need to go find someone I do want to lynch. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but calling half of the party that gets taken shouldn't really be an accomplishment when there's a possibilty that he's going to flip scum. Why didn't hopeless consider this possibility? And WE shifted to sylo? Sure you jumped on him, but then (referencing him earlier) you jumped right back off. Again, why? You never really said. This post isn't even a very convincing defense. And you need to find someone you do want to lynch? Sweet, who's it gonna be? After not finding sandroba a good lynch target I'm going to assume it takes a lot for you to lynch someone... Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. Oh... I guess it doesn't. I guess all it takes is for you to "misunderstand" a post. The REAL telling thing here is the bolded. Where was it? It never happened. You never actually made a case against me. And then we're back to more of the same... This is the strongest part of your case. I read sand as not likely scum and I read you as likely scum. I was also remarkably lazy, so yeah...
Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 11:45 Hopeless1der wrote:![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/notoriouslawyers/KaelCollection.jpg) I still don't know if I buy this though. Seems like he used more than 1 ability last night. These abilities are from the original invoker from the Warcraft Dota. Super old, and quite frankly its retarded that draz fails to explain this better. Is this for real? You quoted actual invoker abilities as if they'd be relevant to this game? This post is worse than filler, it's actively trying to get the trhead to talk about something irrelevant. Acro was calling draz a liar because he looked up Invoker (Dota 2) and didn't find anything close to the roles he claimed. That's because they were from the Old Invoker from Warcraft Dota. I was correcting that before A) more time was wasted on draz and B) to demonstrate that he COULD be telling the truth about his role.+ Show Spoiler +On November 24 2012 11:40 Acrofales wrote:Why do you mention me? Anyway, what I really want to comment on is Drazerk's role and abilities. I can make no sense of it. Just wandered over to the Dota 2 wiki and Invoker has: Cold Snap Ghost Walk Ice Wall Tornado Deafening Blast Forge Spirit EMP Alacrity Chaos Meteor Sun Strike. First off: I don't see any "Betrayal" and a wiki search doesn't give me anything either. The other abilities claimed are Lightning Shield (not an Invoker ability), Firestorm (ditto), Chaos Meteor. What Chaos Meteor does in Dota 2 is drops a meteor from the sky which does damage and then rolls around a little bit doing more damage if you're dumb enough to stick around. I fail to see how this can be implemented in this game, other than as a simple nuke. So, how about you claim what your abilities do, instead of your Dota 2 analogies, which may make sense to you, but don't to anybody else.
I'm not going to quote today, because I'm probably being too biased at this point. Today you've decided to try and place a vote on Toad to keep him from taking damage under some sort of far off possibility. So you're saying you're going to potentially SAVE someone who would otherwise take 500 dmg, and has two red checks?!? I don't know about you, but I couldn't take a 500 dmg hit right now. Why were you trying to save him? His death means we get a real lynch tomorrow. I've definitely explained this already. If you don't agree, that's fine, show me why its scummy.Oh and there's this... Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Why are you trying to cast doubt on acro? Trying to get him lynched? I find it funny that you and Hapa interpret this post 100% the opposite of each other (Acro is lying, or Acro is telling the truth), but in both cases I'm scum.
Could it be because... Day 2 actions 200 gold Popcorn You target 2 players. you will be told if they are the same alignment or different alignments. Day 2 results: hopeless1der and acrofales, different.
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SERIOUSLY...I get the rest of the tags right, and then right at the end POW, I fail life. Jeez.
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On November 27 2012 09:09 phagga wrote:
oh, one last thing, clarity or dieno as party leader?
We can vote syllo if I'm not mistaken. Also, I took 75 damage (not self-inflicted)
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On November 27 2012 09:10 Promethelax wrote:
Syllo: you keep popping into the thread to say that you have really good reasons for thinking I'm scum, not commenting on anything else, contradicting yourself and vanishing. Stop doing that. I don't have the town cred to fight you but based on your suspicions I'll probably be flipped before you so you better have some damn good reasons for being an idiot or everyone will know that you are scum. I've been thinking about your claimed damage n1, everyone else will have to decide after I flip if mafia kp actually could get through my ability. I now think that you probably fake claimed the damage.
Prom, I think I already asked/you kind of explained, but suppose I had an ability that didn't explicitly target players (eg all party members take 10 damage). Do you think your ability would stop that? It clearly stops specific targeting (marv was blocked because of you, right?) regardless of having multiple targets.
Alternatively would it stop a reflection/reaction ability (Suppose Syllo targeted someone with: "players that target you take 10 damage")?
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On November 27 2012 09:25 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:22 Promethelax wrote:On November 27 2012 09:19 TheChronicler wrote:
Ok who gets the reward, party leader or the entire team. I thought it was the whole team?
If it's just party lead we select a party lead from the winning team and we should have 4/4 team that has already won us an event, right? It's just 1/2 of the previous team, and we can take people from the original team as well. How can we lose? the party leader gets the reward (from what Syllo said). Do you think that taking Kier makes sense? We've, presumably, had bonuses every day because of Frog/Robo but would not have those in the end of time. Where does everyone get this assumption that we had a bonus to our success chances with an era-specific character in the party? There are OTHER bonuses (notice marv's), that you get for being in a party during your home era, but I see nothing to suggest your chances of success go up.
You also don't see Marv's hidden event number, but I'm sure he has one. We don't know, and we shouldn't be basing decisions around era claims, we should be (and have been) basing them on town-reads. Era claims are just bonus points to potentially gain more.
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