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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 03:28 GMT
#2216
@kita:

Completely neglecting the possibility of third party KP?
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 03:36 GMT
#2219
On November 24 2012 12:31 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 12:28 Keirathi wrote:
@kita:

Completely neglecting the possibility of third party KP?


Third party players usually go for mafia sniping early on or target threats. Yes, its a possibility though.

Yea, my problem with your speculation is that it relies on too many unknowns to amount to anything.

What if there were a bunch of protective roles on Dieno, and he really took 800 damage? What if sandro actually is mafia, and third party were shooting him to mafia snipe, like you say? Too many possibilities with virtually 0 information to draw any kind of conclusions, imo.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 03:51 GMT
#2223
about iamp:

I agree with Hapa here. He's bordering on the edge of my scumdar, because he's fallen out of his characteristic posting style.

However, it was Thanksgiving and he said he was going to be away. I'll give him a bit of time to step it up before I seriously consider voting for him.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 04:29 GMT
#2232
ZB: I understand what you mean that scum wouldn't necessarily link both of themselves together like that, because it would make the other look pretty bad if one ever flipped. Which is why I'm not really super convinced that kita is scum.

But, prom had never mentioned kita even once. Then bam, he's in kita's party, and suddenly has a town read on him enough to back him for a vote. But, he never really gave kita a huge town read (despite saying that the leader should be the towniest person of the day), he mostly just said "yea, I kinda think kita is town but its not a really strong read, I just like his party," while simultaneously smearing syllo/sand for some dubious reasoning.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 07:07 GMT
#2285
On November 24 2012 15:08 TheChronicler wrote:
2) You're right, I didn't. Why should I influence other people's choices? The best information is given by people making choices that haven't been influenced. The "reads" you quoted there at the end is referring to any reads by a single person. We're supposed to trust the reads of a single person who could very well be scum? Sylo isn't even confirmed town and we have Keir in thread saying he's near confirmed scum. What? No, all we know is that he picked a successful team. I think there's equal motivation for scum to succeed as there is to fail it, maybe more to succeed. I don't even know what happens if we fail the event, but it didn't look like anything happened when we won it. Maybe scum knows the results of a win/loss, maybe having a near confirmed leader was more valuable than risking another of their members to force a loss since that narrows the fault to the four people on the team, while success has now given them the chance to put the entire thread under suspicion. I guarantee if we failed the scrutiny would have fallen on the four and we would be lynching one of the four. How is that good for scum? Why am I the only one thinking of this?

Huh? Are you saying that I'm nearly confirmed as scum, or that I've said that syllo is nearly confirmed scum?

Because neither are true. I said syllo was most likely town, but that him choosing me for the party leaves some room for doubt.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 21:49 GMT
#2599
Okay, family finally gone home. Catching up on the thread before deadline.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#2604
On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma

If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad.



This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad.

I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me.

How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 22:23 GMT
#2633
On November 25 2012 07:13 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:00 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 05:49 goodkarma wrote:
On November 25 2012 05:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ goodkarma

If you think they're both equal but you voted for Sandro first and that's why you stay, consider that Toad has actually stayed active but produced just as much content as Toad.



This is a good point, but it's not like Sandro has been perma-afk or anything. He has been incredibly inactive, but when he has been here he has had nothing to contribute except in defense of himself. This has been brought up before, but it is the same kind of scumtell as you're using for the case against Toad.

I won't be upset if Toad is lynched. However, that syllo is on Sandro, and I know that syllo is town, is enough to tip the scales in favor of lynching sandro for me.

How the hell do you KNOW that syllo is town? He's not confirmed town by any means.


I am under the working assumption that he is town based off mission success. In other words... what iamp said.

Unless you plan on making a last-minute wagon on me due to this one instance of poor word choice, though, perhaps weighing in on the two main candidates would be a better use of your time?

My mind is blown that with an hour left to go people nitpick over things like this when really the only question you should be asking is: Sandroba or Toad?

I'm working on a post about Sandro and Toad. It takes time to write up something like that, and I keep refreshing the end of the thread to see if there's any kind of new evidence or opinions that I should take into account.

But that comment was more than just a "poor" choice of words. I've had a few posts this game that were misconstrued because of a poor choice of words, but what you said was borderline scumslip. If it wasn't so late in the day, I would put more research into you, but I just don't have time.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 22:31 GMT
#2644
Okay, so thinking about who to vote for in the final hour:

sandro

I'm of two minds when I think about this lynch. On one hand, I think syllo is most likely town (but there is still a fair probability that he isn't, which I've given reasons for thinking), and he proclaims to have a good handle on reading sandro. Besides that, sandro have been entirely uncooperative. The only thing he's done today in his meager amount of posts is try to defend himself to syllo. Not scumhunting, not pushing an earlier read, just purely defending himself. And I find it a bit hard to believe that someone that is as respected as a town player as sandro is would have garnered that kind of respect if that was his response to a wagon on him in other town games.

But, on the other hand, this wagon has been almost entirely too easy. There was a little kita push at one point, and now some pressure onto Toad here at the end of the day, but otherwise there hasn't been any kind of counterwagon. Is scum so willing to give up one of the arguably best players in the game? Now, maybe they thought the sandro lynch today was such a foregone conclusion that they were forced to bus, but I have a hard time believing that. And I can just picture any potential scum team chomping at the bits of getting one of the "best" town players on TL lynched rather than having to shoot him.

Honestly, I'm torn on his lynch as to which side is more likely. I think I would lean slightly more to the "sandro is scum" side, though, since I believe syllo is town at this point. Honestly, if there was another major candidate besides Toad, I probably wouldn't vote sandro though. Pre-Post edit: I actually forgot about the Prom/Sandro claim shenanigans. I've never seen any game where a tracker gets results on a person that is roleblocked. Sounds pretty far fetched, and I think that actually pushes me over the edge into voting sandro.

Toad

Yes, Toad has been noncommittal, hasn't scumhunted, etc etc. But I keep getting hung up on his claim right before he disappeared. If he is scum, its such an odd role. He has to have someone vote him on each lynch day to avoid taking damage? I mean, it's an odd town role too, but it seems counterproductive to a scum team to have to play scummy enough to receive a vote every day.

My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 22:54 GMT
#2673
On November 25 2012 07:53 CaveJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
that was you just being an idiot. you bringing it up like you are now like you were oh so brave is what does it for me. probably.


lol I'm not trying to be heroic or brave also this is a town meta for me if you want to use behavioral analysis so much.

You did none of that in Aperture 2.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 24 2012 23:01 GMT
#2681
On November 25 2012 07:56 goodkarma wrote:
Sandroba is likely going to be modkilled.

I'm changing my vote.


##Unvote
##Vote: Toad

The problem is that he likely wouldn't be modkilled, just replaced.

Grey said he would replace people during the first 4 days of the game.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 00:58 GMT
#2718
Sweet flip.

Prom, I am also a 600AD character and I wasn't advertising to get into the party :o

My role says nothing about getting a bonus to the modifier if I'm in the party when I'm in my correct time period, although I do get other bonuses ofc.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 00:59 GMT
#2719
Oh yea

##Vote: syllogism
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 01:13 GMT
#2731
Well, that's a bit unfortunate, but not really surprising.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 01:37 GMT
#2761
So, my proposed party if people want me to be leader

1) Dieno - as close to confirmed town as it gets.
2) marv - despite getting niggles day 1 from his reluctance to running for party leader AND he generally less aggressive attitude, I feel like his day 2 play is exactly what I expect from a town marv

Not really sure about the last spot though. My gut says Acrofales is pretty obvious town because of the way he's been actively trying to solve the game, having discussions to clarify opinions with everyone he wants to talk about, etc etc. But, I'm not really very familiar with his town play much (mostly just reading ACME), nor his scum play at all.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 01:59 GMT
#2780
On November 25 2012 10:43 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 10:37 Keirathi wrote:
So, my proposed party if people want me to be leader

1) Dieno - as close to confirmed town as it gets.
2) marv - despite getting niggles day 1 from his reluctance to running for party leader AND he generally less aggressive attitude, I feel like his day 2 play is exactly what I expect from a town marv

Not really sure about the last spot though. My gut says Acrofales is pretty obvious town because of the way he's been actively trying to solve the game, having discussions to clarify opinions with everyone he wants to talk about, etc etc. But, I'm not really very familiar with his town play much (mostly just reading ACME), nor his scum play at all.


I also read Marv as town, but I don't know how I feel about him being put in a party. From what I've heard, he has a crazy good scum game, so perhaps choosing another person would be best...

Also: Could you clarify once and for all what your early game comment about having a low success modifier was about?

Can you clarify what you're asking?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 02:08 GMT
#2786
On November 25 2012 11:05 goodkarma wrote:
@Keir:

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote:
On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:
On November 22 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote:
On November 22 2012 05:47 iamperfection wrote:
On November 22 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:
On November 22 2012 05:42 Acrofales wrote:
On November 22 2012 05:38 Keirathi wrote:
On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote:
On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal.


why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view).

If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss.

How the hell do you have any idea what your HIDDEN success modifier is? What CaveJohnson's post made me think of was 3rd party. I thought syllo was referring to the fact that a 3rd party didn't want to come along on the mission was "townie", because he at least cares enough about the town to warn them off.

So why do you think I said that, then?

do you know your success modifier?

Not specifically, but yes.

i dont understand

I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier.


Yes, but what question are you wanting me to answer?

My role pm specifically says something to the effect that any party I'm in has a lower chance of success.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 02:09 GMT
#2788
On November 25 2012 11:06 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 10:52 goodkarma wrote:
That aside, I have no idea how role-claiming makes you any more qualified to be team leader... Might even make you less qualified since that information really only helps scum at this point.


Are you kidding? You can't possibly think of any reason why we might want Robo as party leader during his era?

Well, I don't know anything about Chrono Trigger, so I can't imagine a reason why we would necessarily want him as party LEADER. I could definitely understand why we want him in the party though, since this is his era and he likely gets bonuses from it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 02:20 GMT
#2799
On November 25 2012 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you(everybody) agree with my proposed party?

Why would you not take Dieno?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 02:25 GMT
#2805
On November 25 2012 11:24 Acrofales wrote:
To be fair, I don't know that I will screw up our chances of winning the event, but I'd rather not risk it.

Are you saying you know that you have a low success modifier as well?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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