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No, but it does reinforce the idea that characters from the corresponding era and their being main characters has a chance (however slim) of improving our party's chance at success beyond that of simply 'being town'.
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On November 20 2012 05:37 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 05:34 iamperfection wrote:
What is considered an experienced player? If this isnt your second game
And the funny thing is everyone just assumes this fair thing isn't part of the game
There are things to do when we return to the present day.
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On November 26 2012 05:32 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
How about we speculate about the setup speculation now that grey swooped in and stopped the setup speculation. No. Why is it that whenever I call someone out you're suddenly there to defend them? You know something I don't? I'm not even relating anything to setup speculation. I'm accusing hopeless of attempting to set up a fake claim.
I'm suggesting that we could get you gold once we return to the fair, but evidently I was wrong. Then again, Grey didn't bold his mod text so maybe hes screwing with us
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Well shit, didn't vote in the voting thread...
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On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him?
He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said)
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So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far.
IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went:
risk.nuke
Hopeless1der
Acrofales
kushm4sta
Z-Boson
Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo.
During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader:
that is all.
Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked.
To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough  I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim?
I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum.
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On November 26 2012 08:11 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hopeless, my love, in the voting count you just posted, where do you see sandroba?
Quote the voting thread with you voting syllogism, before the current cycle.
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On November 26 2012 08:15 Mementoss wrote:
I fucked up the day 1 vote count by the way
zzz. Is that to say that Z-Bo should have been voting sandroba?
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marv, do you find z-bo's response to my post to be overly defensive? I called him scum by association due to his vote, and he basically tells me I'm lying.
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On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum.
I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all
a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and
b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch
Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy.
I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain.
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On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS.
The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange.
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On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote:
haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people.
*shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims
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On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
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He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims could you explain why this is possible?
First off, I think it's way simpler for Toad to be scum. In order for Toad to be town, the most plausible scenario would be that scum framed him night 1 and acro faked his "1-shot role+alignment check".
If Toad flips scum, awesome. If he doesn't, I have a problem with Z-Bo and Acro, and lets face it, I'm not winning that fight. Again, I'm covering my bases for the just in case scenario.
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On November 26 2012 09:17 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote:
Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
[quote] I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims could you explain why this is possible? First off, I think it's way simpler for Toad to be scum. In order for Toad to be town, the most plausible scenario would be that scum framed him night 1 and acro faked his "1-shot role+alignment check". If Toad flips scum, awesome. If he doesn't, I have a problem with Z-Bo and Acro, and lets face it, I'm not winning that fight. Again, I'm covering my bases for the just in case scenario. What do you think Acro gains by claiming that after a claimed cop already said that he had a red result on Toad?
Mild town cred and a mislynch are the obvious ones. Again, way simpler for Toad to be scum.
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On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged?
With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at.
I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet)
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btw hapa, as far as general suspicion goes, have you seen what I've put forward recently?
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On November 26 2012 10:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged?
With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at. I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet) Then why did you want healing, when there are people like Dieno who has taken 400+ damage and could actually USE the heal?
Who said I couldn't use it?
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Keir, if you want me to comment on something specifically, point it out please. Hapa hasn't really requested my input on his read of me, and it's not like its for my benefit anyways.
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On November 26 2012 10:18 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:17 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged?
With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at. I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet) Then why did you want healing, when there are people like Dieno who has taken 400+ damage and could actually USE the heal? Who said I couldn't use it? So you took...self inflicted damage?
Correct.
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I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little  )
The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on.
P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time.
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