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On December 01 2012 06:52 syllogism wrote:
Perhaps they shot me day 2 and your protection stopped the damage or they just assumed that I would be protected every cycle. Either way I agree that mafia KP usage has been terrible based on what we know.
Your being alive also bothered me while making the chart. Given the choice of shooting Dino and shooting Syllo, I know where I'd be aiming my scumgun...
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On December 01 2012 07:02 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:38 Acrofales wrote:On December 01 2012 06:35 goodkarma wrote:On December 01 2012 06:31 syllogism wrote:
No one really is by this point. I'm not disputing the fact that mafia realizes that they can not do anything right now. No one is making any attempts, because it's not possible. I'm not convinced that he is mafia, I just think it is likely. Doesn't matter much though until we get our next lynch. I will say that I would rather include some of these lurking players in the party than him. Just a quick question, but could you humor me and tell me a scum motivation for Hapa to lie about taking damage (or healing for that matter)? I can't think of any reason he'd feel motivated to lie about this, as town or scum... If you are looking townie, then people will interpret the source of damage to be scum. Therefore claiming damage makes you look townier (in fact, it makes you look like valuable town, because scum is trying to off you). Toad claiming the shot "confirms" that this damage came from a scum source. So if scum actually did shoot Hapa, is there a conceivable way the heal didn't go through? With so many abilities in the game I would think this possible... I suppose the scum motivation makes sense, but it feels like it would be a high risk scum move to make for the reward (a little "town cred")...
What is so high risk about it? There is a LOT of damage flying around, most of it unclaimed. Throwing in 100 (or maybe 150) fake damage would've gone completely unnoticed, if not for the heal claim. Nobody knew about the heal notification mechanics, so that would not have figured into a risk-reward equation.
Not that I am 100% sure that that is what happened, but there is an unexplained issue here and a scum explanation for making sense of it. I will have to go over Hapa's filter more carefully and honestly can't be assed until we have another lynch cycle. Suffice to say, he should not be on any parties.
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On December 01 2012 07:30 Keirathi wrote:
Something else, though: would GreyMisT have made sandro, Toad, AND syllo scum, with Acro 3p? That would be a pretty stacked non-town. It's possible, since the game hasn't really relied on lynching very much, and scum is inherently at a disadvantage when the game revolves around town reads, but I'm not sure that its likely.
This also relies on the scumteam having absolutely NO confidence in Sandro's ability to look like town very early in the game. Syllo hopped on the "Sandro doesn't play like this as town" and never left off. It is a very strange bus, when Syllo saying "Sandro's town" would NEVER have caused anybody to lynch him D2, even with so many people claiming they weren't sheeping Syllo.
That is the main reason I think Syllo is not scum, not his membership in the D1 party, which is just extra corroborating evidence.
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On December 01 2012 07:39 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 06:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
His anger makes much more sense if he is scum who "got caught" by mechanics, that might be why it felt genuine. Yes. Being scum is the only possible way I could be angry about this. I'm not just a really fucking frustrated townie. That's inconceivable.
Did you ask Greymist if there was an error in your PM?
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10 minutes to the deadline. Get your votes and actions in if they aren't yet. Clarity, you better have that party submitted.
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On December 01 2012 07:50 iamperfection wrote:
so it would shed no light on what has been happening at all and it doesn't explain the heal that i received on d2 correct?
Lay off him. If he's town and feels it's better he doesn't claim, then it's better he doesn't claim. If he's scum, he'll just fakeclaim some bullshit anyway. Neither helps us much and if he's town it puts information that Hapa claims is useful to scum in their hands.
Either way, pressuring people into claiming is not useful.
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KABOOM. I was a bit worried about frames and unlikely situations where Chronicler was scum. However, it all worked out. Going to read up on the thread.
I took 0 damage.
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On December 01 2012 09:51 Keirathi wrote:
I like Acro's idea for taking the sword rather than using Tech Attack. We may need the MP during the second part of the fight.
Don't really have an idea for what would be best for Flea though.
While I really like taking credit for this, it wasn't me.
What we need to ask ourselves is: does scum have knowledge about these fights that we don't? I can't imagine how scum is supposed to "win" here, if they don't have some extra information and convince town to take the wrong choice.
In the game, there is no option to take the sword. However, it feels somehow right: if we can do that, then we avoid the hardest part of the Flash fight and get an awesome sword to use against him. On the other hand, it could be a trick option.
Regarding Flea: I like sending Dienosore at him. It's unlikely he'll live much longer in any case, sitting at 1 HP does not seem like a recipe for longevity this game. Dienosore: are there any awesome abilities you were planning on using that mean we should not send you in to suicide?
I seem to recall beating the crap out of Flea with slurp slashes and cleaves. I didn't even have a triple tech yet. Some kind of triple tech might do lots of damage and doesn't risk sending Dieno with his 1 HP.
Just before Flea there's a savepoint. I vote option F: use shelter, then let Frogger attack Flea.
Random setup speculation: if we had succeeded both events, we might have gotten the dreamstone and repaired Masamune, making this fight easier?
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On December 01 2012 10:23 Djodref wrote:
@Acro
How do you know that Dieno has 1HP ?
I don't. I just assumed. He has been saved from death twice now. Actually, if that is following game rules it's 50 HP, not 1.
Also, I just read Frogger has Masamune. That means we should probably save him for the second part of the day, in which I presume we battle Magus.
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Oatsmaster should just rocket punch him in the face, imho
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##Slash A
##Flea E
Lets have some daring doing. If we have the option to grab the sword, it should be the best option. And rocket punching Flea in the face and saving Masamune for another day sounds pretty good to me.
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@SnB
I know we have other stuff on our mind right now, but your defense of Phagga is weird. CJ didn't claim Drazerk after the vote and when Phagga changed his mind. He claimed well before. That was NOT the reason for Phagga to change his mind.
That said, there were 2 entire cycles (3 if you count when Phagga placed his vote, rather than when he took it off to sheep onto Sandro) between Phagga having a scum read on Drazerk, and Phagga stating his HP to enable Drazerk's ability. That is 96 hours and on estimate 100 pages of thread. Seems like enough time for Phagga to have changed his mind.
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On December 01 2012 10:35 Dienosore wrote:
I should definitely attack here. Besides Robo, I'm the only offensive character in the squad right now. I also am pretty sure I cannot die. AND I HAVE MASAMUNE. Let me use it at least once, I implore you all.
As for Slash, I said C earlier, but maybe we should consider saving our mp for a more dire situation. Marv's KISS advice sounds good here for option A. If he has no sword, then how can he hurt us? Unless of course it's a trap. Then option B fuck it starts to sound good, but then he'd most likely get the sword next turn and our battle becomes harder.
Right now I'm leaning towards A, but I wont change my vote just yet. I'll wait to see what y'all think.
Seeing as we're in Magus' castle and this is the first "event", we have the 2nd 24 hours of the cycle to go still in which we probably have to fight Ozzie and Magus.
Given that Masamune is absolutely amazing against Magus, we definitely need you around. What makes you think you can't die, btw?
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Oh, we might skip Ozzie. That fight is hardly a fight in any case.
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Next question: what in the blazes was that countdown? Lavos didn't crash despite us being in prehistory. That event is still in the "future" in the game. So what the hell did we count down to?
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On December 01 2012 10:40 Adam4167 wrote:
I feel so grossly unequipped to give any advice on this situation, having never played the game.
I have no outstanding time commitments, how long would it take me to finish, assuming I started right now?
Finish the game? Or get to the Flash/Flea fight? I'd say the fight is about 8 hours in, but I may be underestimating the time I put into the game.
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Not quite sure how my iPad counts game time, but it says I've spent 18 hours in the game. It's clearly not the full time the app has been open, but it might have counted some time when I wasn't actually playing. I am nowhere near the end.
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On December 01 2012 11:08 Adam4167 wrote:
wow. I just died and I have to start over again?
Jesus these old games are harsh.
Liberal use of save state inc.
Has the PM mishap been resolved now, does everyone have their correct night resolution?
Haha, yeah. I thought the same :D The second time round I visited the mayor's house and learned that you can save any time you're on the world map.
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On December 01 2012 15:21 TheChronicler wrote:
Confirming that I didn't get a pm. Gnight.
Funky shit.
This means the healing notification mechanics may be different than we thought. I find it very hard to believe VE OR TC would be dumb enough to lie about healing at this point.
Either that, or there is some kind of action redirector that is severely screwing with our minds. However, if it is targeted I can think of no sane reason to use that on Hapa and TC rather than high profile players who you'd expect to get healed (Syllo, Marv, Dino).
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On December 01 2012 12:47 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote:
Turducken was EMP
Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result.
I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me.
Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them. I didn't get roleblocked so far. Your action didn't get through or you are lying about it.
Drazerk, it is time to come clean. In addition to Kita and Toad (not the most reliable sources), we now have H1 and Djodreff claiming night results different from what you do.
I am completely onboard with a policy of shooting you until you either die or tell us the truth.
For you to explain:
N1 - Kita claims a 50 damage shot and no damage to himself. You claim you took 25 damage and reflected damage back onto one person who hit you.
N2 - H1 claims a 126 damage shot. You claim no damage (or at least omitted a damage claim N2). You claim to RB Djodreff, who claims he wasn't roleblocked.
N3 - GK claims a 150 damage shot. You claim you took 201 damage. Given that H1 is the only one who claimed a vig shot with weird numbers, it seems as if you claimed N2 damage on N3.
N4 - Kita claims a 50 damage shot. You claim no damage.
I have even omitted the whole Turducken on Toad, because there's no need to speculate about what Toad was lying about.
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