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On November 21 2012 13:49 iamperfection wrote:
as much as i would love stay up with you fine chaps it is past my bed time
For those who have played with me before comment on me.
you know i have an easy town meta to read so say what you already know to be true iamperfection should be on the team
Quit asking for people to read you and play naturally.
You did that shit in GSL 3, where you specifically asked me to give a read of you since I am very good at picking up when you are town or not.
Just don't.
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On November 21 2012 13:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:49 iamperfection wrote:
as much as i would love stay up with you fine chaps it is past my bed time
For those who have played with me before comment on me.
you know i have an easy town meta to read so say what you already know to be true iamperfection should be on the team Quit asking for people to read you and play naturally. You did that shit in GSL 3, where you specifically asked me to give a read of you since I am very good at picking up when you are town or not. Just don't. so it should be a null tell keir. Not thinking critically are we keir?
It is a null tell. I wasn't calling you scum for asking my opinion on you, I was saying that you asking for my opinion of you doesn't reinforce my opinion of you. When you've kept up the carefree townie meta for a while, I'll gladly give you a public town read. But you are certainly very aware of WHY I would give you a town read, and you've shown to be able to play up to that meta to a certain extent. So asking me to read you just makes how you've been acting up to this point a null tell, rather than what would have been a fairly townie attitude from you.
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On November 21 2012 13:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:31 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:
1) "I'm not going to vote marv unless I have a town read on him."
2) "I'm going to vote someone unless he's giving me a 'scummy vibe.'"
Those two statements mean very different things. The first expresses reservation - that you're not going to vote someone UNLESS you have a town read on them. The second expresses no hesitancy - that you're vote is determined unless marv shows you otherwise. Okay, I guess I see what you're getting at. Just poor wording on my part, I guess. But really, there is no "neutral" ground for me when it comes to marv. Either I believe that he is town, or he is giving off scummy vibes that give me pause. I still don't understand this. This implies that you would never be unsure about your read on marv - on D1 of all days. Part of me has a really hard time believing that this is the same Kei as in GSL III - the one who was uber reluctant and helpless on D1 to make a read on anyone in the game.
It doesn't imply that I would never be unsure of my read on marv at all. I'm much more likely to be paranoid towards marv when he says something fishy (aka 'scummy vibes') than I am for someone like kush, because I know town kush can say really stupid things (no offense kush <3).
And, if you remember, day 1 in GSL 3 was a nightmare for me IRL. I had a ton of family shit going on, and I was playing 90% of the game from my phone, which meant I wasn't able to go filter diving, or even devote very much time to the game. I'm not averse to making comfortable day 1 reads, but I generally make them really conservatively. Conservative reads + no time to play meant I was useless.
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Man, am I the only person who doesn't want to be party leader? Maybe that sounds scummy because "Keir doesn't want to be held accountable for his choices", but I'm certainly willing to say who I want to be party leader and who I would want in the party. Its just that I don't trust my ability to read people enough to put the final decision into my own hands :o
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On November 21 2012 15:12 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 15:04 Keirathi wrote:
Man, am I the only person who doesn't want to be party leader? Maybe that sounds scummy because "Keir doesn't want to be held accountable for his choices", but I'm certainly willing to say who I want to be party leader and who I would want in the party. Its just that I don't trust my ability to read people enough to put the final decision into my own hands :o Your opinions are still important  . Incompetent reads are far better than no reads at all. What's your current read on sandroba?
Slightly town. His plan made a lot of sense if you assume that scum would be trying to influence the outcome of the event even after the party is selected by choosing who to kill, and it was a direct contradiction to the other proposed plan at the time, which shows he wasn't afraid to stick his neck out to propose something that could potentially be worse for scum.
That said, his plan relied on the scum mechanics that we have no idea about, so he could be influencing town in the wrong direction. For instance, its possible scum is NOT able to shoot anyone in the party, so keeping all of the vets out of the party could make them "free" kills when otherwise they might not be.
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On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote:
Keir brings up a couple good points. Perhaps our host could explain?:
Are chosen party members kill-immune?
If not, what happens if scum kill a party member?
We don't even know anything about HOW the scum kills, other than it doesn't follow the traditional "1 KP = 1 dead". We have an HP value, and have no idea how much HP damage the scum can do in a single cycle, how they will do it, or who they can do it to.
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On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 16:12 phagga wrote:
I like Sandroba's plan, his logic is sound. However, I find it dangerous to derive a town read from it, nothing is stopping scum to put up this plan to get themselfes elected.
Why is everyone asking for town reads? I understand that the mechanics are working differently, but everyone just spreading their townreads like the flu will only make it easier for scum to decide who to shoot at night. People like Keirathi and me who have no desire in being elected D1 should not be giving out any townreads, instead we can actually scum hunt in the traditional way and establish ourselfes as town this way. I even think that most candidates should not be throwing out their town reads unless they seem to be a serious candidate (meaning several people have voiced interest in voting that person). The reason we're not doing traditional scumhunting is because we don't have the power to lynch scum. Our time is best used determining who is most likely town, as we're (hopefully) voting for townies as party leader. I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting. Hope that helps. I see a couple people have questions for me. I'll make a followup post for them within the hour and then I'm calling it a night.
Damnit, I was in bed and checked the thread once more from my phone and had to get up to come back and reply to this because of how vehemently I disagree.
First:
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
This game employs a Party Election system. Most of the time (in place of the lynch) players will be voting on a “Party Leader”. The party leader will be elected each day the town is faced with an “event” (this will be notified in the daypost).
Notice that it says MOST OF THE TIME there won't be a lynch, implying that there will be a traditional lynch at some point (presumably on non-event days).
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On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote:
Factions and win conditions
At some point in the game Lavos will be summoned. The powers and nature of Lavos are hidden until 1999 AD. Win conditions are based around Lavos. Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
Notice the "If all mafia die." How exactly are mafia ever going to die in this game if all we do is townhunt the whole game? I'm going to guess they aren't going to get punished for being selected into the party (and actually, probably rewarded), so they won't be dying from that. So, that only really leaves 1) lynch whenever that's what we do for the day 2) town vigs shooting the scum and 3) third party having some sort of KP
Both 1 and 2 require scumhunting. Also, scumhunting narrows down possible town reads.
Basically I 100% disagree with you that the only thing we should be doing is townhunting.
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Also, before I go to bed, I wanted to comment on this again:
On November 21 2012 15:21 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 15:12 goodkarma wrote:On November 21 2012 15:04 Keirathi wrote:
Man, am I the only person who doesn't want to be party leader? Maybe that sounds scummy because "Keir doesn't want to be held accountable for his choices", but I'm certainly willing to say who I want to be party leader and who I would want in the party. Its just that I don't trust my ability to read people enough to put the final decision into my own hands :o Your opinions are still important . Incompetent reads are far better than no reads at all. What's your current read on sandroba? Slightly town. His plan made a lot of sense if you assume that scum would be trying to influence the outcome of the event even after the party is selected by choosing who to kill, and it was a direct contradiction to the other proposed plan at the time, which shows he wasn't afraid to stick his neck out to propose something that could potentially be worse for scum. That said, his plan relied on the scum mechanics that we have no idea about, so he could be influencing town in the wrong direction. For instance, its possible scum is NOT able to shoot anyone in the party, so keeping all of the vets out of the party could make them "free" kills when otherwise they might not be.
You might be asking why I think this is even a possibility, when all the speculation this game has been roughly the opposite of that. It makes some modicum of sense to me that being townie enough to get selected to the party could grant you some kind of KP protection. I'm certainly not SURE that it does, but it wouldn't be that far-fetched for me to believe that getting selected to the party has some boon for the people selected. Which would mean that leaving vets out of the party just because they're vets and it makes scum have a "tougher" choice is fallacious, and actually be beneficial to scum.
Again, the other way might be "more" likely, but I don't want to dismiss any possibilities at this point until we see more mechanics. I think the best solution day 1 is to just get the 4 people most likely to be town as possible, and see what happens.
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On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:
This Keirathi guy is mafia.
Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far.
There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on.
Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous.
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On November 21 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:
This Keirathi guy is mafia.
Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far.
There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on.
Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference.
No, you're being dumb.
I've played lots of games with marv, iamperfection, S&B, risk.nuke, Z-BosoN, etc. I 100% trust my ability to read them better than I trust my ability to read you or syllo or sandro, whom I've never played with. When it comes down to time for me to vote, I'm going to think "Ok, sandro might be town, and he's getting a lot of votes. But, I'm much more sure that marv is town because I'm way more familiar with how he plays. It makes sense for me to vote him." Plain and simple. If that makes me scum, then tough titties.
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Anyways its late. I'm going to bed for reals now. G'nite folks.
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On November 21 2012 17:31 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:27 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:
This Keirathi guy is mafia.
Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far.
There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on.
Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference. No, you're being dumb. I've played lots of games with marv, iamperfection, S&B, risk.nuke, Z-BosoN, etc. I 100% trust my ability to read them better than I trust my ability to read you or syllo or sandro, whom I've never played with. When it comes down to time for me to vote, I'm going to think "Ok, sandro might be town, and he's getting a lot of votes. But, I'm much more sure that marv is town because I'm way more familiar with how he plays. It makes sense for me to vote him." Plain and simple. If that makes me scum, then tough titties. And yet you still haven't understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying your reasoning is stupid. If you feel that way fine although I'd hope that you have more than just one guy you feel comfortable to read... I mean you just mentioned a bunch of people, yet you only mentioned Marv earlier, didn't you? The issue is that you get in here telling us about that.
You're right, I guess I don't understand. How is explaining how I plan to use my vote scummy?
As far as mostly talking about reading marv (at one point, I did mention that there were other people I was comfortable reading if I don't feel like marv should be elected party leader), its because even though I feel like I have a grasp on how to read them, I don't think they'll be likely party leader candidates. No matter how strong of a town read I have on, say, iamperfection, its just pretty damn unlikely that he gets elected as party leader day 1 when there are vets "running" for the position that most of the game is willing to sheep.
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On November 21 2012 17:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:43 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:31 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 17:27 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:
This Keirathi guy is mafia.
Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far.
There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on.
Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference. No, you're being dumb. I've played lots of games with marv, iamperfection, S&B, risk.nuke, Z-BosoN, etc. I 100% trust my ability to read them better than I trust my ability to read you or syllo or sandro, whom I've never played with. When it comes down to time for me to vote, I'm going to think "Ok, sandro might be town, and he's getting a lot of votes. But, I'm much more sure that marv is town because I'm way more familiar with how he plays. It makes sense for me to vote him." Plain and simple. If that makes me scum, then tough titties. And yet you still haven't understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying your reasoning is stupid. If you feel that way fine although I'd hope that you have more than just one guy you feel comfortable to read... I mean you just mentioned a bunch of people, yet you only mentioned Marv earlier, didn't you? The issue is that you get in here telling us about that. You're right, I guess I don't understand. How is explaining how I plan to use my vote scummy? As far as mostly talking about reading marv (at one point, I did mention that there were other people I was comfortable reading if I don't feel like marv should be elected party leader), its because even though I feel like I have a grasp on how to read them, I don't think they'll be likely party leader candidates. No matter how strong of a town read I have on, say, iamperfection, its just pretty damn unlikely that he gets elected as party leader day 1 when there are vets "running" for the position that most of the game is willing to sheep. The thing is that it gives us (read: everyone who's not you) nothing at all. Fine we got it but why are you telling us that you're planning to favor Marv? Are we supposed to talk about it? I highly doubt it. Then why did you tell us preemptively about it? It really looks like a cheap excuse to justify yourself and I'm having troubles figuring why you'd want to do that? That's why I said at best it's pointless, at worst it's a guy trying to contribute something while actually being pointless. Your early explanation sounds like a set-up for the next couple of hours of this cycle.
Ah, okay I guess I understand what you're saying now, at least.
People were discussing which vet they were going to vote for, so I said I would likely be voting for marv. Then someone asked "Why marv, isn't he going to be super-hard to read day 1?" Then I started going into the long reasons why. I didn't just come out and say it all; it was an answer to specific questions. Unless you just wanted me to ignore them, then :o
Also: You gave two possibilities for my explanations: either useless, or trying to contribute while being useless. Notice neither one of those possibilities are "he's scum".
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Syllogism/sandroba:
You guys have ignored us, but what do you think of Toads reasoning for me being scum? Do you think I'm scum?
What about Deinos 2 scum reads and 2 town reads? Agree or disagree with any of them?
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Good god you people post too much while I'm sleeping.
On November 21 2012 21:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:37 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:31 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote:
1) "I'm not going to vote marv unless I have a town read on him."
2) "I'm going to vote someone unless he's giving me a 'scummy vibe.'"
Those two statements mean very different things. The first expresses reservation - that you're not going to vote someone UNLESS you have a town read on them. The second expresses no hesitancy - that you're vote is determined unless marv shows you otherwise. Okay, I guess I see what you're getting at. Just poor wording on my part, I guess. But really, there is no "neutral" ground for me when it comes to marv. Either I believe that he is town, or he is giving off scummy vibes that give me pause. EBWOP: No, you know what. It wasn't poor wording. It's just you trying to poke holes where there aren't any. If marv isn't giving me scummy vibes, then I'm going to have a town read on him. If I have a town read on him, I will vote him today 100%. If Marv is a 3P, will you get "scummy vibes" from him? In fact, I doubt your ability to pick up scummy vibes from Marv at all on D1, regardless of Marv's alignment. I agree with Toad that this feels like a very cheap justification for parking your vote with no real justification at all. So explain to us all: Why do you think Marv is town unless he gives off scummy vibes? Am I town unless I give off scummy vibes? How about CaveJohnson (add other random unknown smurf here if you prefer)? What exactly constitutes a scummy vibe? I know Marv is rather notorious for hiding his scummy vibes really well. What makes you so confident that your long experience of playing with him let you find these scummy vibes?
Hmm, I didn't really think about third party. Just because you doubt my ability to pick up scummy vibes from him, doesn't mean that I can't. Just because you aren't comfortable reading him doesn't mean that I am. Maybe you should ask marv if he thinks I have a decent grasp of his game play? I've talked to him extensively about every game he's played since I started here.
Also, you should notice that I haven't parked my vote anywhere, not do I plan to vote marv anymore. In fact, marv doesn't even want to be leader at this point, which is actually a point against him. I would expect a town marv to want to be leader anyways, and not defer to "more capable" vets. He has, however, in the past told me basically the same things about his respect for sandro and syllo, so I don't think it necessarily makes him scummy, just less townie than I would expect from his posting.
And no, you or anyone else not giving off scummy vibes doesn't make you town. It makes marv town because I am familiar with his play, and believe I am capable of reading him correctly.
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On November 22 2012 03:01 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:53 Dienosore wrote:
I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform:
All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action.
I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader. I already adressed this. This kind of post is something that is supposed to look nice while not being nice at all. We want to elect someone who's comfortable to make a decision himself and willing to take responsibility. We don't want to vote someone who's dodging responsibility and opting to go with some kind of majority decreed team. Now the bolded part is interessting. Why do you want to be the first leader? I take it it's not to improve our chances because frankly speaking you don't even feel comfortable to judge someone yourself, do you? So if it's not to improve our chances, what's your reasoning behind running for this position?
Do you really have to ask that question? There's a pretty obvious explanation (to me), and if you're not able to see it then it makes me doubt that you are town.
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On November 22 2012 03:09 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:02 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 03:01 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 02:53 Dienosore wrote:
I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform:
All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action.
I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader. I already adressed this. This kind of post is something that is supposed to look nice while not being nice at all. We want to elect someone who's comfortable to make a decision himself and willing to take responsibility. We don't want to vote someone who's dodging responsibility and opting to go with some kind of majority decreed team. Now the bolded part is interessting. Why do you want to be the first leader? I take it it's not to improve our chances because frankly speaking you don't even feel comfortable to judge someone yourself, do you? So if it's not to improve our chances, what's your reasoning behind running for this position? Do you really have to ask that question? There's a pretty obvious explanation (to me), and if you're not able to see it then it makes me doubt that you are town. I've got a bunch of explanations. I want to hear why he wants to be leader from himself. I don't intend to give people possible explanations as to how they "should" answer when asking them to explain themselves... You'll notice keir didn't say what the 'obvious' was. Keir are you just upset that Toad charged into the thread with a scumread on you? If you can't see a town reason for questioning someone's motives....
I didn't say what the 'obvious' reason was because it feels like he's fishing for information.
In fact, you've already explained the 'obvious' reason yourself.
And no, I don't care that he charged into the thread with a bullshit reason for me being scum. I actively encourage people to read my filter and meta and give their opinions of me.
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On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by.
I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote:
I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that.
On November 21 2012 22:45 syllogism wrote:
Right now it is likely that I will support sandroba if I do not gain the necessary votes, even if I'm not "fairly sure" that he is town. The problem is that just electing someone who is very likely to be town isn't enough as the person has to also be able to identify 3 townies at a high enough probability on day 1. Anyway, currently it would definitely optimal from my point of view that I would be elected over him due to my uncertainty. I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running, but I'm definitely "running" in the sense that I wouldn't mind people voting for me.
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How does it give you the impression of a scum mad hatter? I'm not seeing how that condition makes it more likely.
As to your second point: SSB mafia with pikachu (or a kirby who eats a pikachu).
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On November 22 2012 05:36 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:40 syllogism wrote:
CaveJohnson who are you? It would be helpful to know in order to determine whether you should "know better" than to say some of the things you have said. Obviously the fact that you chose to use that account suggests that you don't want us to know, but if you are town it would be in your best interest to reconsider. I don't like your posts either, although the fact you said you don't want to be picked for the mission is slightly towny, depending on your reasoning, which I expect you to later reveal. why is that townie? I would expect a townie to want to be part of every mission if possible, as it will make sure that at least that spot is not occupied by scum (from that specific townies point of view).
If a townie has a low "success modifier". I could see him not wanting to be picked especially in the early game where its much more likely that a scum (or two) are picked for the team inadvertently and it could cause mission loss.
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