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On November 26 2012 09:29 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:25 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:09 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:06 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:53 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
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I don't feel that strongly about Hopeless' point. At some point sandroba was 100% getting lynched and so it would have been easy to get on his wagon.
With Acro do you mean regarding being on the party / kei thing?
that is what I mean about Acro. Yes. Looking back at Acro's filter I saw him attack Kei for his knowledge about his hidden success number, but I can't find him directly criticising him for saying it wasn't a great idea he wouldn't come with the party. If he did so please quote it because I missed it. Presuming Toad is scum for the moment, for Acro to be scum we'd have to get around the fact that Acro was the first one to really heavily accuse Toad of being scum and attack him for it. There seems to be very little need for a bus of that sort in that situation. I think third party makes more sense, with a pro-town win con. maybe a survivor? Not that Acro was disagreeing with the conclusion he just seemed to have doubted the claim that Kier could know the lowness of his success value. That's a reasonable doubt imo, given the OP states the number is hidden, and my role PM says nothing about my hidden success number. Overall I think town makes the most sense but I really want to know why he's so eager not to be brought on the mission. Okay. Thanks for the read. Who do you think is the most likely scum after Toad (or instead of Toad); if you had a vig power who would you hit? Not sure. Someone in my 'not really done anything to make me think he's town' list. There are people on borderline I'd have to filter to make a call too. goodkarma/Adam/VE are in the not done anything to make me think he's town list. kita's in some space i'm not sure of. borderline players are people like hapa, Z-bo, iamp You're also in a special place as syllo thinks you're scum atm and I love me some syllo sheeping. I'd need to hear more from him on that though. do you think Syllo has a valid point on why I am scum? My 'fake claim' . And out of Adam/VE/GK is there a reason you'd pick one over the others or just a shot into the player who have done nothing? I don't understand his points on you very well and some of it is based on setup speculation that i don't think is necessarily true ("this looks like a mafia ability"). It could be a fake-claim, it could not, meh. Out of those 3 I'd put Adam 3rd. Also I didn't say they'd done nothing, I said they hadn't done anything to make me think they were town, there's a difference. If I was a vigilante I'd probably shoot VE for his and Bio's combined lack of content, whereas at least GK is posting. thanks and thanks. Do you think a ~5 man mafia team makes sense? If so do you think that there is a third party? I'm assuming both are true but I'd like some input.
I'm assuming 3rd party because of the OP. 5 man mafia team would make the most sense numbers-wise (if this were a normal i'd absolutely expect 5), but because of the setup it could be skewed one way or another, it's pretty hard to tell.
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On November 26 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:29 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:25 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:09 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:06 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:On November 26 2012 08:53 Promethelax wrote:
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that is what I mean about Acro. Yes. Looking back at Acro's filter I saw him attack Kei for his knowledge about his hidden success number, but I can't find him directly criticising him for saying it wasn't a great idea he wouldn't come with the party. If he did so please quote it because I missed it. Presuming Toad is scum for the moment, for Acro to be scum we'd have to get around the fact that Acro was the first one to really heavily accuse Toad of being scum and attack him for it. There seems to be very little need for a bus of that sort in that situation. I think third party makes more sense, with a pro-town win con. maybe a survivor? Not that Acro was disagreeing with the conclusion he just seemed to have doubted the claim that Kier could know the lowness of his success value. That's a reasonable doubt imo, given the OP states the number is hidden, and my role PM says nothing about my hidden success number. Overall I think town makes the most sense but I really want to know why he's so eager not to be brought on the mission. Okay. Thanks for the read. Who do you think is the most likely scum after Toad (or instead of Toad); if you had a vig power who would you hit? Not sure. Someone in my 'not really done anything to make me think he's town' list. There are people on borderline I'd have to filter to make a call too. goodkarma/Adam/VE are in the not done anything to make me think he's town list. kita's in some space i'm not sure of. borderline players are people like hapa, Z-bo, iamp You're also in a special place as syllo thinks you're scum atm and I love me some syllo sheeping. I'd need to hear more from him on that though. do you think Syllo has a valid point on why I am scum? My 'fake claim' . And out of Adam/VE/GK is there a reason you'd pick one over the others or just a shot into the player who have done nothing? I don't understand his points on you very well and some of it is based on setup speculation that i don't think is necessarily true ("this looks like a mafia ability"). It could be a fake-claim, it could not, meh. Out of those 3 I'd put Adam 3rd. Also I didn't say they'd done nothing, I said they hadn't done anything to make me think they were town, there's a difference. If I was a vigilante I'd probably shoot VE for his and Bio's combined lack of content, whereas at least GK is posting. thanks and thanks. Do you think a ~5 man mafia team makes sense? If so do you think that there is a third party? I'm assuming both are true but I'd like some input. I'm assuming 3rd party because of the OP. 5 man mafia team would make the most sense numbers-wise (if this were a normal i'd absolutely expect 5), but because of the setup it could be skewed one way or another, it's pretty hard to tell.
Really? I would have expected 6, if this were a normal game. I thought 3:1 ratio was the norm.
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30 man game is typically 24-6, I've never seen it otherwise.
Palmar's normal was about 25 players with 5 mafia.
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Hey hapa
my case on hopeless. I think he's scum
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@ Prom
Your recent defenses seem reasonable, so I'll drop things for now. Toad and Kita are far higher on the radar for me at the moment.
Also I'm not too sold on the idea that Prom's "powerful" role makes him scummy. He didn't have to disclose his powers, and could have easily lied about them to make 'em seem more reasonable. Instead, he seems pretty forthcoming about things, and that doesn't seem scummy.
Regarding the Party
Is there a consensus on the party atm? Are we consolidating votes on Oats?
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On November 26 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Prom
Your recent defenses seem reasonable, so I'll drop things for now. Toad and Kita are far higher on the radar for me at the moment.
Also I'm not too sold on the idea that Prom's "powerful" role makes him scummy. He didn't have to disclose his powers, and could have easily lied about them to make 'em seem more reasonable. Instead, he seems pretty forthcoming about things, and that doesn't seem scummy.
Regarding the Party
Is there a consensus on the party atm? Are we consolidating votes on Oats?
Oats/Dieno/Clarity/Marv seems to be the consensus.
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i'm gonna vote for oats, with his roleclaim it seems to make sense too.
##vote: Oatsmaster
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does anyone remember who made that post about the damage report im looking for it and i cant find it.
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On November 25 2012 16:38 Dienosore wrote:Im not going to tell you how much dmg I took last night, sorry, djo. That being said, here is the claimed dmg report so far: + Show Spoiler +
Happahauli : 100 dmg
Kitaman27 : 50 dmg
Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal
Acro : 30 dmg
Djo : 30 dmg
Clarity : 30 dmg
Also, here is a list of notable claims and developments: + Show Spoiler +
- prome claims marv targeted syllo with a spell
- marv says hes a medic
- kita says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl
- keirathi claims to be 600ad char, possibly medic?
- oats claims robo and has multiple abilities
- Thechronicler claims he can see if two people are the same alignment, incriminated toad
- acro knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, says toad is queen zeal
- toad claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro
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On November 25 2012 16:38 Dienosore wrote:Im not going to tell you how much dmg I took last night, sorry, djo. That being said, here is the claimed dmg report so far: + Show Spoiler +
Happahauli : 100 dmg
Kitaman27 : 50 dmg
Iamp : 30 dmg + a heal
Acro : 30 dmg
Djo : 30 dmg
Clarity : 30 dmg
Also, here is a list of notable claims and developments: + Show Spoiler +
- prome claims marv targeted syllo with a spell
- marv says hes a medic
- kita says new game is if hapa, oats, or phagga vote for him, he dmgs ppl
- keirathi claims to be 600ad char, possibly medic?
- oats claims robo and has multiple abilities
- Thechronicler claims he can see if two people are the same alignment, incriminated toad
- acro knows chronicler is being truthful, doesnt want to come into the group, says toad is queen zeal
- toad claims johnny, the attention whore robot, going to use 200 hp heal, redistrubute hp by hitting people, exposed as queen zeal scum by acro
nvm found it
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On November 26 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hey hapa
my case on hopeless. I think he's scum
I tend to agree with you here, but for different reasons. He's playing differently from Mario Mini - while my view of that game is skewed (I was scum after all), there are some noticeable mentality differences between the two games.
@Z-Bo's Case
I assure you, I am not filthy filthy scum, but let's face it, you're not going to take my word for it. You'll learn I'm very lazy and/or terrible at this game, so that portion of your case shouldn't hold much weight.
However, I have definitely shown mafia motivation in my dealing with sandroba and I would not be upset in the slightest were I to be lynched, aside from the (currently unknown) fact that I am town. I don't know that I can really defend myself, but if you are interested in why I did something or how I came to a particular conclusion, please ask me and I'll answer it directly.
This initial response to your case is really strange to me. First of all, why would a townie every accept that they're showing mafia motivation? It's the most ridiculous possible defense - a townie never has doubts that he has town motivation, whereas Hopeless seems to be at peace with his own "scumminess."
Him being accepting of his "scummy" behavior is also inconsistent with his past town game (Vigi in Mario Mini Mafia). He's overall much more confrontational while defending himself and never accepts that he's scummy despite having serious suspicion on him. Examples:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=51#1010
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=46#919
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=43#841
Read each of those posts and note the language, the attitude, and how confident/confrontational he is. It's completely different from this game, where he's constantly admonishing his own behavior as "lurky", "poor", etc.
This sudden vote on TC by Hopeless strikes me as really strange (and forced):
On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.
He suddenly jumps on TC for a seemingly innocuous comment, never explains himself, then goes awol from the thread. It's just too weird, and it seems like Hopeless just tried to jump on something to make it look like he contributed.
Him buddying Toad (right after toad's "Johnny" claim) was pretty strange, as well as him immediately begging for healing.
On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look!
##Unvote: Oatsmaster
##Vote Toadesstern
It's just really "off" behavior - I'd expect a little more skepticism from townie Hopeless, as "general suspicion" is more of a townie trait than immediately trusting a strange blue-claim.
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I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged?
With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at.
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now that's much more interesting.
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On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged?
With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at.
Now that you mention it, I didn't see anything in his filter about him taking damage. Hmm.
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your case definitely pushes me over to the scum side for hopeless, hapa.
must be the way you tell 'em
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On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged?
With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at.
I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet)
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btw hapa, as far as general suspicion goes, have you seen what I've put forward recently?
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Bah, I want to comment on some points with my own observations, but I think it would be best if Hopeless comments first.
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On November 26 2012 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged?
With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at. I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet)
Then why did you want healing, when there are people like Dieno who has taken 400+ damage and could actually USE the heal?
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On November 26 2012 10:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged?
With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at. I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet) Then why did you want healing, when there are people like Dieno who has taken 400+ damage and could actually USE the heal?
Who said I couldn't use it?
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