Chrono Trigger Mafia - Page 11

On November 28 2012 02:29 Hopeless1der wrote:

Someone felt I was worth protecting, and I was not healed. I dealt more than 75 damage to myself, and I have no idea if anyone attacked me.

I am going to be untargetable due to my unlocked ability tonight, assuming I use it (I'm gonna use it, but I have the choice not to). There is a secondary function that I am going to withhold for now. Don't bother doing anything to me tonight, as I am untouchable by ANY targeted ability.

On December 01 2012 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.

I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability.
N1 - 63 HP
N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage
N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP)
N4 - Target Toad
N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.

Things to note:
My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.

I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.

No heals to report.

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I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.

##Slash: A
##Flea: E

On December 03 2012 06:28 austinmcc wrote:
SnB
Leaning scum. Mainly based on the roleclaim, because ... that's the thing I most have to work with. Forget the rolenaming. Forget his other stupid ability that he claimed. He says:

(1) SnB says he never asked Grey how this works. Other people seem to be expressing concern that he equated +max HP with "heal" without checking with Grey. Yes, that's questionable.

But beyond that...SnB isn't an idiot. If that were actually SnB's ability, he would absolutely have to check with Grey, because...it frigging does 250 damage. The way it's phrased, you can't tell how the parts resolve. Does it do 250 damage to someone, and then, if they're alive, heal them/raise hp? EVEN IF SnB thought +max hp = heal, he has to ask whether he can accidentally kill someone before raising their hp. That's...crazy important. I can believe that he interpreted +max HP to be heal, but I can't believe he wouldn't ask whether both happen at once or whether he basically CPR docs someone if they're under 250 hp.


(2) The wording. Grey likes flavor. Grey likes...complex roles that punish gaming the setup (roleclaims, ability claims, whatever). But Grey doesn't create stupid roles.

The text of that ability just makes no sense, see (1). If it heals, it should just say "Raise targets max hp 300, heal them for 50." Ta da. It's simple. You can't misinterpret it. Your doc can't kill someone now. Gut feeling, I don't think Grey would create a role that mixed damage/possible heal for no good reason. It's much more likely that SnB has a similar ability, now has to try and find a logical fakeclaim, and so the wording comes out really garbled.

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Out of his filter...I don't get too much. But he's only been vocal about a couple topics. His posts are generally pretty small, but perk up on three/four topics.

The party election D1
Hapahauli
(Maybe toad)
Phagga

There's one big toad post where he votes toad, although from the looks of it toad was caught by a check. So...scumSnB would have had to do that. But he perks up towards the end of the vote D1, and we know that at least one candidate, Sandroba, was scum. So on two of the topics he's been...more wordy about, scum has been involved.

I dunno about ALL of SnB's longer posts being about scum, but I could see Hapa or Phagga being scum just based on the way SnB has posted less when scum wasn't concerned. Maybe one a mislynch candidate, one a scumbuddy? I'll give them a look.

On December 03 2012 10:20 Hapahauli wrote:


<3

While you're there, please keep in mind some of my actions this game and see if they make sense from a scum perspective:
1) I was the first player to aggressively contest Toad's candidacy for party leader.
2) I was amongst the first to vote Toad on the D2 lynch (the 2nd player I think) and pushed for his lynch. Does it make sense for mafia to turn down an easy bussing opportunity (Sandro) in order to put heavy suspicion on another scumteam member?
3) Toad claimed to shoot me for 100 damage (BEFORE he gave up on the game and BEFORE Acro's check). If I'm lying about the 100 damage, who else could Toad have plausibly targeted?

On November 26 2012 08:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
marv, do you find z-bo's response to my post to be overly defensive? I called him scum by association due to his vote, and he basically tells me I'm lying.

On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.

Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.

Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count.

On November 24 2012 15:08 TheChronicler wrote:


Lol the root quote has you saying




THIS is what a contradiction looks like and this is why posting a lot is pro-town. Scum will trip over themselves eventually.

2) You're right, I didn't. Why should I influence other people's choices? The best information is given by people making choices that haven't been influenced. The "reads" you quoted there at the end is referring to any reads by a single person. We're supposed to trust the reads of a single person who could very well be scum? Sylo isn't even confirmed town and we have Keir in thread saying he's near confirmed scum. What? No, all we know is that he picked a successful team. I think there's equal motivation for scum to succeed as there is to fail it, maybe more to succeed. I don't even know what happens if we fail the event, but it didn't look like anything happened when we won it. Maybe scum knows the results of a win/loss, maybe having a near confirmed leader was more valuable than risking another of their members to force a loss since that narrows the fault to the four people on the team, while success has now given them the chance to put the entire thread under suspicion. I guarantee if we failed the scrutiny would have fallen on the four and we would be lynching one of the four. How is that good for scum? Why am I the only one thinking of this?