EPTOats just can't be party leader.
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Keirathi
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On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: I would like to run for party leader My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot. Why you can trust me I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum. I see no reason to put 2 non successful party members in the party today (You, and Chronicler/Acro). And, you couldn't replace Acro/Chronicler with Oats. The only possible way you could replace them would be with syllo. | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:23 Hapahauli wrote: Well it will hurt him when town focus-fires him down next cycle. I think the point is that after we lynch Toad during the next lynch cycle, that we may never even HAVE another lynch cycle. Meaning that even if you outed yourself as scum, we wouldn't necessarily have a way to do anything about it. | ||
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On November 27 2012 10:31 Hapahauli wrote: I can't imagine that town collectively doesn't have enough abilities to dispatch of Toad in a cycle if we focus him down. I'd like to think that the game is balanced well enough that being 99.9% confirmed scum is pretty darn bad. Oh well. I'll be sitting here lonely and sad since I'm not going to be included on the mission. =( | ||
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EBWOP: Somehow what I said got mixed into the quote rather than being at the end. I'm not saying I'm particularly opposed to you as a party member. We have to include 1 "new" person. Just saying that you "running" for party member doesn't confirm you as town on the merit of "why would scum out himself like that". | ||
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For now: ##Vote: Keirathi | ||
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On November 27 2012 11:01 Dienosore wrote: Here is my relationship history and reading of marv. Consider it a sort of tribute. D1: Under heavy fire from Phagga/Acro. Suspected Kitaman/Phagga/Goodkarma/CaveJohnson of being scum D2: Still taking heavy fire from Promethelax. Was also suspected by Keir/Toad. Suspected CaveJohnson/Kita/Toad of being scum. D3: No longer accused as mafia by anyone. Was extra friendly towards Hapa/Syllo/Adam/Djod. Flat out calls CaveJohnson a scumlord, strongly suspects Hopeless and Acro, and calls out Kitaman as 3rd party. What can we tell from this? Well, we can safely say that Marv was convinced CaveJohnson is scum. He also was convinced Kita is 3rd party. His only real public enemy was Prome. Going to start my D4 map. I think with this much info to cross-reference, I'll finally be able to put together a pretty solid post discussing some reads. Wat? I seem to remember marv arguing pretty vehemently with Kita, who wanted to lynch CaveJohnson, because he didn't think CJ was showing clear scum mentality rather than just playing like drazerk. I'll reread, but I don't remember him changing his opining on CJ after that. | ||
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On November 27 2012 11:15 Djodref wrote: By the way, I've decided that I'm not going to run for party leader for a change today  But I'm proposing myself as a possible party member. Please keep in mind that marv and syllo have town read on me. Anyway, an ideal party for today should be -> 3 players among Dieno, Syllo, Keir, and Oats. I would recommend Dieno as a party leader because he hasn't received a gift yet and I would put Keir aside because of his "low success modifier" confession. Shall we organize a vote to decide of the fourth party member ? We only have to find this fourth guy today so we may as well do it this way. Dieno and Oats can't both be in the party. We can use 3 "already been to the party" people, and 2 of them have to be me and syllo. The third can be anyone between Dieno/Clarity/Oats, but Oats can't be leader. | ||
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On November 27 2012 11:34 Djodref wrote: Yeah, you're right. Sorry I didn't put time to really think it through. I have no strong opposition as you as a party leader, Keir. I would prefer to have Dieno as a party leader today but I'm not going to vote for him if he keeps TC in his party. I don't think that TC is scum anymore but I'm not comfortable with the idea of having him in a party. Do you have any objections to have Dieno as a party leader ? Could you give us a pool of players in which you would select the fourth new member, if you were to be elected ? No, I don't have objections to Dieno as party leader. He said earlier that he doesn't particularly care either way, because he doesn't get any bonus for being party leader (other than the gift). And I'm working on narrowing down my short-list. It will be posted as soon as I'm comfortable with it. | ||
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On November 27 2012 11:50 Acrofales wrote: And third party? People not thinking this through and drawing premature conclusions are making me sad. Care to share why you refused to be in the party yesterday? And @TheChronicler: Why did you check Acro vs Hopeless? Again, you check 2 people that don't really make much sense. With your current check, either Acro OR Hopeless could be scum. It would have made much more sense to check one or the other against someone like Dieno or Oats who are nearly confirmed town. | ||
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On November 27 2012 12:06 Hapahauli wrote: And damnit someone comment on the Prom stuff I've been posting. Surely I'm not the only one who's finding him scummy as shit right now. There was no lynch. I don't particularly see a problem with your whole "He wasn't pushing his scum read" thing when he had no avenue for getting you killed. There are a lot of people that aren't pushing scum reads and you're just singling him out because he said he didn't want you in the party. FWIW, I have a very slight town read on Prom. Not enough to bet on it or anything, but that's the way I'm leaning right now. And I still wouldn't ever lynch him over toad, and someone out of the whole TC/Acro/Hopeless debacle. | ||
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I find it strange that rather than asking me to expand on my town read on Prom, you decided it would be a better idea to repeat to me your reasonings that he is scum. Like I wasn't able to read them 15 posts ago. | ||
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For one, the day 2 "gambit" that secured sandroba's lynch (at least for me). Town Prom loves pulling silly gambits that have the potential to backfire horrendously (just look at his two gambits in ACME; they were terrible and got townies lynched [no offense prom]). The whole "sandroba: why did you target syllo" is definitely something town Prom would do. And the reason I don't think scum Prom would have done it is because of his scum play in newbie XIX. He played all-or-nothing for the entire game, and by the end was entirely linked with both of his partners. I'm sure he's a better player now than he was then, and sandro could have said "Hey Prom, bus me!" in scum QT, but my gut is still that that isn't the way he would have done it. All-in-all, minor town read. I think your points mostly are a factor of being in a game that hasn't had much in the way of lynching rather than a necessarily scum mindset. There are tons of people who haven't made cases or pushed anyone. You're just confirmation bias'ing again him, imo. | ||
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On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves:
Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: Keirathi Also, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. Care to explain the bolded? | ||
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On November 27 2012 12:51 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not getting what you're saying here. Prom did vote Sandro, but very late and only after a bunch of players lead the charge on Sandro. I'm saying that if Prom is scum, I don't think he would have used that kind of claim to bus sandro. He would have just made a case and bussed, or maybe even just voted. But his first instinct is to protect his teamates, not out them to the thread. | ||
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On November 27 2012 13:05 Hapahauli wrote: Wait do you mean "bussing" or do you mean "opposing" the Sandro campaign? Because I really don't understand what you're saying unless you're talking about this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=40#795 I just stumbled across it and it does give me pause. I'm not sure what motivation Prom would have about tearing down Sandro's campaign at this stage of the game. Sandro's campaign wasn't doing all that bad at this point. On a side note, I really need to go back and look over the votes from D1. That's something that's been pretty absent from our analysis thusfar. I'm talking about day 2. Sandro claimed that he was roleblocked, and Prom said "Sandro, why did you target syllogism?" Then Sandro answered that he used Shadow on syllogism. That was a major factor in me voting for Sandro, because at the time, I thought Prom was implying that he was some kind of watcher/tracker, and that Sandro had targetted Syllo even though he claimed to be roleblocked and was therefor lying. Then, of course, Prom explained his ability the next day, and it was nothing like that, just a gambit/hunch that sandro had targetted syllo. Now, does that seem like a normal way to bus, if your scum team is telling you to bus in the QT? I don't. It would have been much more natural to either just sheep onto the wagon or make up a case. | ||
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On November 27 2012 13:25 Hapahauli wrote: Ohhhh. So Hopeless is scum then. Well guess my last thing on him was quite wrong then. I'm pretty on the fence about which one of the two are scum. I mean, a case can definitely be made for Hopeless being scum. Hell, they HAVE been made. But I could make a case that Acro is scum too :o Not to mention the fact that TC checked Acro vs Hopeless is weird as fuck to begin with. | ||
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