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On November 30 2012 00:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 00:19 iamperfection wrote:
what time period would we be in next jump? If this is the bit where Lavos crashes and leaves us with a time gate, the next step is Antiquity. However, we have skipped quite a bit of the game (the whole fight with Magus). We might skip antiquity and go straight to the future to get us a time machine.
Magus' alignment is ambiguous, it makes sense that we'd skip it.
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On November 30 2012 01:06 phagga wrote:
Regarding Time: So far the party event was first, then came the time travel. If it is going to be that way, then the event will be in 65.000.000 BC. However, the countdown will probably end before this cycle, so let's see what happens there.
Regarding Lynch: Someone mentioned this earlier already: Should we put 3-4 votes on a second person we believe to be scum (I'd propose Goodkarma)? Reason is if Toad gets pardoned or something similar, the second in the vote is also a scum read of town. If noone else has any votes, Toad can mess with us with last minute votes, or it might be randomized. Both is not in our interest.
Regarding Party: We have no idea if we are in a good position or not, so let's not take any risk: The party should be from the five of Clarity, Oats, Keir, Syllo and Dieno.
##Lynch: Toadesstern
##Party Leader: Clarity_nl
I agree that we should place some votes on a second person for scum. Should we do something similar for the Party leader? Remember marv's choosing ability, there may be more where that came from. Clarity and Keir would be my choices to split on if we go down that path.
If we do vote a secondary lynch, who should be placing those votes? I think the 5 party-candidates you've identified are as good as any other players, and we all think they're town. It might help reduce hidden lynch mechanics screwing with us.
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On November 30 2012 02:26 phagga wrote:
Switching to keirathi and Gk for safety reasons
##Unvote
##Lynch: Goodkarma
##Party leader: Keirathi
What about having oats keir syllo dieno clarity perform our split votes (And only those 5)? At least can we set a fixed number for number of votes to switch in case of hidden vote shenanigans?
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On November 30 2012 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
I want syllo to lead and to select the party.
Why do you consider syllo to be a superior leader to the other 4 people listed as viable party members?
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On November 30 2012 06:08 Dienosore wrote:
Although we know toad is scum, I'm not entirely sure we should lynch him tonight.
What if he was lying about his HP? I kinda figure I have a lot of HPs, and a blow like that wouldn't have killed me either. It would have dropped me down to relatively nothing, though. We don't seem to be getting many opportunities to lynch, so we have to be very careful how we spend these cycles. If my hunch is right and Toad is very close to dying, then it would be pretty wasteful to lynch him instead of another highly suspected scumball. (ie. Hopeless1nder?).
@Acro
Was the 750 damage claimed even remotely close to what you expected?
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I think there's a problem with the perceived timing of the damage. Clarity, what night in particular are you questioning?
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On November 30 2012 07:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Geezus christ. I have no idea why this "heal PM" shit is still going on.
If you think I lied, vote me and shut the fuck up about it.
If you think I didn't, then will someone please comment on my goddamn Phagga case.
If you don't know, then read my goddamn Phagga case and make a decision based on my behavior rather than retarded speculation about night actions when we have no fucking idea what mechanics/scum-abilities/town-abilities/etc are going on behind the scenes. .
You don't care that a fucking HEAL WENT MISSING? I realize the implications for yourself, but no matter who is being questioned, this is still important to the town to try to figure it out.
Phagga looks scummy from the case you've built. He's in the thread and I'd expect he'll reply. I need to read his filter myself and then I'll revisit, I need to do the same with Prox's case on GK. I won't have time to do so properly today. I have an existing scumread on Z-Boson that I need to go over as well. I'll make my reads known before this cycle ends.
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On December 01 2012 01:41 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 00:44 goodkarma wrote:
Stop and think for a second: As scum: Do you seriously think that I would make a detailed list post highlighting all my reads in this game? This would give you an abundance of information if I were to flip scum, and that just isn't my scumgame... Further, that's way more effort than I put into my scum game...
Seriously. Get your head out of your ass and spend a few seconds to consider the merits of my writeup. Except you fail to mention that you put that exact same list in the mason qt before you posted it here. Now, I'm not sure why you felt the need to throw all that info to the public? Giving cases on scum is fine, but copy/pasting your notepad list of reads on half of the people of the game just doesn't make sense to me... Maybe you were scared Syllo was going to expose it, and so you decided to post here in the forums before he did as a bit of damage control?
I really dislike the fact that GK is arguing that his own meta doesn't match. If he's aware of his meta, he can abuse it and anything he says is now WIFOM.
Reading his response to Promethelax's case, he spends way too much time being upset and pulling the 'y u no read filter' card. He also calls the case bad a number of times instead of addressing it properly.
The prime example is:
Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 13:34 goodkarma wrote:
I can understand the excuses that Sandroba has provided, but I find the complete lack of followup on who he would consider a prime scum suspect to be disturbing. It's as though he is holding back, maybe... because he's scum, and as scum making up even a half-baked scumread is hard for him. I would really like to see him take some initiative and actually help town out. He continues to fail to deliver in this department, which would leave me to believe that his complete apathy and lack of involvement in this game is indeed scum-driven.
I will keep my vote on Sandroba for the time being. Syllo has all but proven himself to be town at this point, and I will change my vote from Sandroba only if he somehow believes he isn't scum after his latest post. This only because I don't feel my scumread on Sandroba is strong enough without the reaffirmation. And yes, sheeping makes me a hypotwit...
I am going to now focus my attention on TheChronicler and Kitaman He allows himself a way to vote away from Sand which is just a sheep vote. A pre-excused sheep vote. That is totally a thing townies + Show Spoiler + do. Really? Townies never sheep? This is an absolutely ridiculous statement I will just leave it at that… And I clearly explained there were other aspects that led me to suspect Sand was scum.
Townies don't create preconceived reasons to sheep, which was what Promethelax was saying. Claiming your vote on Sand was pressure gives you a way to jump off of him, while looking the part of concerned townie. It is the very thing that scum would do to ensure they can go with the flow. But instead of addressing the scum motive and explaining why he wasn't doing that, he calls the accusation ridiculous and pushes ahead.
I personally consider self-voting a scumtell in most situations. There is no townie reasoning more powerful than LYNCH SCUM. Intentionally playing against your win-con creates an emotional argument instead of a rational one, and emotional arguments lead to raging, yelling, and chaos. If you are town, you should never have to vote for yourself.
We should have access to his night actions via the players he's masoned with. I'm trusting them to reveal if things don't look right until we have a chance to properly lynch him. I have a marginal scumread on GK.
Reading Phagga's responses next
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On December 01 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I think I'm done. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgRwUW7S2s2HdHFnd1J0T2hzWmNKTmR5R2xUZ1dzNncNot making it editable. Last time I made my spreadsheet editable Caller played with it. If there's something wrong, let me know in the thread. Weird shit that needs explaining: Hapa heal on D3. Syllo doing damage and roleblocking on the same night. Prom claiming less damage than Syllo claimed to deal. Drazerk claiming less damage than Kita claimed to deal... twice. Kita claiming no damage when Drazerk claimed to deal it. Drazerk dealing less damage than he should have on N4. There are lots of unclaimed roleblocks. There seem to be too many protective roles and way less damage dealing roles than makes sense balance-wise. All members of the N4 party took 75 damage, so it could have been the event, or it could be scum activated to deal damage to the party.
My day1 damage wasn't 100 (I don't recall ever reporting the amount). It was also self-inflicted so it shouldn't matter for the sake of tracking sources.
I have more information on a couple of things that need explaining, but I can't definitively answer them, so I don't know if its worth it yet.
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I took a peek through phagga's responses, reading him as town right now. I hammer that out properly tonight.
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On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote:
Turducken was EMP
Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result.
I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me.
Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them.
Screwed with them in what way?
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On December 01 2012 04:23 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote:
Turducken was EMP
Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result.
I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me.
Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them. Screwed with them in what way?
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On December 01 2012 04:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:43 GreYMisT wrote:On December 01 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I think I'm done. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgRwUW7S2s2HdHFnd1J0T2hzWmNKTmR5R2xUZ1dzNncNot making it editable. Last time I made my spreadsheet editable Caller played with it. If there's something wrong, let me know in the thread. Weird shit that needs explaining: Hapa heal on D3. Syllo doing damage and roleblocking on the same night. Prom claiming less damage than Syllo claimed to deal. Drazerk claiming less damage than Kita claimed to deal... twice. Kita claiming no damage when Drazerk claimed to deal it. Drazerk dealing less damage than he should have on N4. There are lots of unclaimed roleblocks. There seem to be too many protective roles and way less damage dealing roles than makes sense balance-wise. All members of the N4 party took 75 damage, so it could have been the event, or it could be scum activated to deal damage to the party.
If possible disable the messaging portion of the google spreadsheet.
If you cannot it goes without saying that no communication may be done in there. I tried. It doesn't seem to have the option to switch comments off. If you like I can copypaste the thing to the thread and switch it back to private. It'll just be a giant mess.
I can't access or see any comments/chat either.
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On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity
I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga?
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On December 01 2012 05:28 Acrofales wrote:
EBWOP: ah, I see that the numbers are blanks. That might actually mean something. Let me go back and see if the numbers on Sandroba's lynch work out.
There are almost certainly hidden lynch mechanics at play, hence the explicit omission of votecount numbers.
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On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like.
I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do.
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On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town.
oh...kay.
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On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me?
You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread.
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On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote
##Lynch phagga
##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring.
Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad?
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On December 01 2012 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
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I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad? Wait, I lack conviction now? I've read all the cases, I read both their filters, I came to the conclusion that phagga is scummier than gk right now. Could I be wrong? Sure. But he's my strongest read after Toad. That's why I'm voting for him. I don't really see what you're getting at.
At best, Hapa is the reason you've swapped a long-standing town read on phagga and you've offered little to no reasoning for it. I don't care that it's hypocritical of me, if people didn't think you were semi-confirmed town, you would never be able to pull this off.
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