EPTRegarding BH
So early day 1 his posting was bad, he got called out for it and there was some pressure on him and then he just claims JK without trying to ease the suspicion on him at all. There was plenty of time to discuss and he was there for it afterwards, so why in the world claim JK.
Now he says he fakeclaimed..... Well shit son, you just got way more suspicious than you already were. I think the analysis of him stating he fakeclaimed has been right :
He is scum or he is JK trying to give himself some room with a mafia who would be going after a claimed JK.
I just can't help but think that given everything, him being scum is the easier call.
In summation, I didn't read him town before his JK claim, I didn't like or believe the JK claim (but a claimed JK - fake or not, was not going to get lynched D1 so I moved on), and now he is just like "O hey guys btw I lied". So down for lynching BH.
Regarding Hopeless
Shortly before the D1 lynch I posted this on my thoughts of hopeless:
On November 15 2012 09:57 Kickstart wrote:
Regarding Z-Boson
I am not comfortable with a lynch on ZB. So he is playing differently and posting less, but when I take a look at his filter I see some very lengthy and thought out posts that offer good analysis. I don't think that lynching him due to him posting differently this game is fair, especially when his posts are pretty significant (I said earlier that even though his filter wasn't large, every post contributed something). I take Hapas word that before this game even started he talked with ZB and ZB discussed wanting to change his posting style a bit (though a skype log would be nice!).
Why lynch someone who has changed their posting style when you could be lynching someone who isn't being pro-town at all:
Regarding Hopeless1der
Look at his filter, there is NO attempt to find scum, the only person he gos after is debears, but only after debears went after him. The first half of his filter is talk about people being afk and/or smurfs - this really doesn't help at all. And his post where he reads debears:
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His only reason for voting debears is that debears made a read on him and voted him.
And then there is this:
I don't like this at all. Hopeless clearly states that he views ZB is town, earlier in the game ZB makes a small meta case and hopeless doesn't vote him (rightfully so) - but now he will throw his vote on ZB???
You don't scum hunt at all, say you view ZB as town but are willing to vote for him, and keep your vote parked on debears all game solely because debears made a read on you and threw his vote your way. This is not town oriented play in my opinion.
Regarding Z-Boson
I am not comfortable with a lynch on ZB. So he is playing differently and posting less, but when I take a look at his filter I see some very lengthy and thought out posts that offer good analysis. I don't think that lynching him due to him posting differently this game is fair, especially when his posts are pretty significant (I said earlier that even though his filter wasn't large, every post contributed something). I take Hapas word that before this game even started he talked with ZB and ZB discussed wanting to change his posting style a bit (though a skype log would be nice!).
Why lynch someone who has changed their posting style when you could be lynching someone who isn't being pro-town at all:
Regarding Hopeless1der
Look at his filter, there is NO attempt to find scum, the only person he gos after is debears, but only after debears went after him. The first half of his filter is talk about people being afk and/or smurfs - this really doesn't help at all. And his post where he reads debears:
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On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread.
I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about:
I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone.
I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful.
And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me)
I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read.
Yes this is an OMGUS vote.
##Vote: debears
Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass?
Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim?
Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread.
I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about:
I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone.
I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful.
And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me)
I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read.
Yes this is an OMGUS vote.
##Vote: debears
Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass?
Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim?
On November 15 2012 06:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
In response to Z-Bo's case on me:
- No comment on BH should still hold merit as an attack against debears, especially if used as a contributing factor to my own scumminess.
Meta read - Earlier you said my meta this game was comparable to LVII. You've 180'd that read. I have no conclusion here, I'm just pointing it out.
Other points from meta: Me referring back to previous cases. I had an actual case to refer back to, and I was also much more convinced by that case. This game, we have me being inactive, Cross being modkillable the first 24 hours or so, thrawn afk, DP afk, BH trolling. Lots of things that just sucked bag. In LVII, we have Matt claim scum super early and the ensuing discussions were getting excessively redundant until Palmar came in and confirmed Matt was fakeclaiming. Before that, I was trying to focus the thread a little. This game is no where near as out of control as that situation was and also (IRL bullshit that no one cares about)
Since BH has claimed, I find debears to be incredibly scummy, and Marv made a point of articulating already. I felt he was scummy before from the way he attacked me for lecturing and it being anti-town. I also felt his meta/smurf's are unreadable comments were contradictory and he was twisting words to make a case on me based on very little information. However, I was explicitly told to drop my suspicions because they were a) poorly thought out and b) distracting debears from helping town.
He hasn't helped town. Hapa's case on debears is spot on (in my heavily biased opinion) and I don't want to lynch anyone else right now.
In response to Z-Bo's case on me:
- No comment on BH should still hold merit as an attack against debears, especially if used as a contributing factor to my own scumminess.
Meta read - Earlier you said my meta this game was comparable to LVII. You've 180'd that read. I have no conclusion here, I'm just pointing it out.
Other points from meta: Me referring back to previous cases. I had an actual case to refer back to, and I was also much more convinced by that case. This game, we have me being inactive, Cross being modkillable the first 24 hours or so, thrawn afk, DP afk, BH trolling. Lots of things that just sucked bag. In LVII, we have Matt claim scum super early and the ensuing discussions were getting excessively redundant until Palmar came in and confirmed Matt was fakeclaiming. Before that, I was trying to focus the thread a little. This game is no where near as out of control as that situation was and also (IRL bullshit that no one cares about)
Since BH has claimed, I find debears to be incredibly scummy, and Marv made a point of articulating already. I felt he was scummy before from the way he attacked me for lecturing and it being anti-town. I also felt his meta/smurf's are unreadable comments were contradictory and he was twisting words to make a case on me based on very little information. However, I was explicitly told to drop my suspicions because they were a) poorly thought out and b) distracting debears from helping town.
He hasn't helped town. Hapa's case on debears is spot on (in my heavily biased opinion) and I don't want to lynch anyone else right now.
His only reason for voting debears is that debears made a read on him and voted him.
And then there is this:
I don't like this at all. Hopeless clearly states that he views ZB is town, earlier in the game ZB makes a small meta case and hopeless doesn't vote him (rightfully so) - but now he will throw his vote on ZB???
You don't scum hunt at all, say you view ZB as town but are willing to vote for him, and keep your vote parked on debears all game solely because debears made a read on you and threw his vote your way. This is not town oriented play in my opinion.
Notice how since then not a single thing has changed. He kept his vote on debears throughout the entire lynch and is still posting the same way. At least he admits that atm he looks terribly scummy, but continues to do nothing to change that perception.
