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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On November 14 2012 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote: I've heard that before and I don't necessarily disagree, but this really stood out to me. I wasn't digging for it, I was simply asking questions, and the things you told me were: -Zbo said that scum would be threatened by his miller claim -Scum wouldn't be threatened by his miller claim -You are not threatened by his miller claim Sure, you could mean that as a townie you're not threatened by his claim, but why would you say this? Especially if, as town, you think he's scum. No, I mentioned I wasn't threatened by the claim, then you asked me about it, then I expanded on it. I was responding to him claiming I was threatened by his claim, and everything I've said is correct. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 14 2012 07:12 marvellosity wrote: Clarity, I've put the quiz on ice, it wasn't as awesome as I'd hoped. townies don't HAVE extra info, so they can't reveal it. duh. Townies make statements that appear to be scumslips. You know this as well as I do, and regularly fight against bad cases based on so-called scumslips all the time. Don't play dumb. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 14 2012 07:17 Clarity_nl wrote: But he never said you were threatened. He said scum was threatened. Do you see what I mean? No, you lack skills. reading skills. On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote: ithout giving any reasoning or thoughts, why isn't he going after DP, who's actually done that not once, but TWICE?? Townie Motivation: none. Scum motivation: he feels threatened that I have claimed miller and people are not showing signs of doubt on my claim. This is Z-B trying to say that my motivation is that I am threatened. He's saying there's no town motivation, but there is a scum motive for this action. I'm telling him that I am not threatened by his claim, and in fact nobody is because it is a null tell. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 14 2012 07:19 marvellosity wrote: not with extra information stuff, no. Yes, they do. All the time. | ||
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On November 14 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: Oh sniped by some cases on BH. I'll get to that in a bit. I've always heard that BH's scum-play is notoriously bad, and he seems more fearless than I would expect from his "bad" scum play. I'll take a look at the cases, but that's my first impression of him anywho. Anyone making a meta read on me should actually read my scum games. I'm completely serious. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 14 2012 07:17 Z-BosoN wrote: To him, this post is clearly me trying to start a wagon. I find this absurd. If I wanted to look good by starting a wagon, would I not bother to make a case that people would actually follow? Does he honestly think I expected three other people to vote SnB as well due to this post? He's basically saying that if three other people hadn't voted on him, then I'd be much less guilty. I can say this due to his ginourmous insistence that I'm, again, "trying to get town cred for starting a wagon" , which, to him, makes perfect sense. That implies that if I hadn't started a wagon (i,e wagon = more people voting for the same person as me), then he wouldn't have been using my first vote on SnB as an argument. One can argue: "But ZB! He said you tried, not that you did!" . That is very true. Except that by that logic, every first vote on someone is an "attempt to start a wagon", which is silly. It's not absurd, because you literally did start a wagon. You hopped your vote around until something stuck so you could look good. On November 14 2012 07:17 Z-BosoN wrote: Hope that makes sense as to why I find that his main reason for voting me is absurd, and uncharacteristic of someone with a decent townie play. 3) Clearly says that making the first vote on someone is scummier than sheeping a case, if both have no reasoning behind it. Because the guy with the first vote is "trying to look good", while the second guy is pretty swell. See it's funny cause you DID unvote S&B quickly, but he was the vote you stuck to when a wagon formed. Iamp is scummy too. On November 14 2012 07:17 Z-BosoN wrote: 4) Up until now I've assumed his premise that my vote came with no reasoning, which is quite untrue. Quoting myself in a later post: . To which he conveniently dismisses that as "a crap explanation". That is, he acknowledges that there IS an explanation, but it's just so bad that it has to come from scum, defining my vote on him as "trying to start a weak wagon". 5) Also note that he said I unvoted SnB "as soon as it was hopeless". Except that I unvoted SnB because I changed my vote to BH. AFTER I attacked you and your crap SnB case. It's a straight up OMGUS from you. On November 14 2012 07:17 Z-BosoN wrote: Concluding... I find his reaction to my case against him and his second bout further testaments to the fact that he is scum. So:
I cannot see this coming from townie play, especially regarding someone like BH, and will maintain my vote on him. I hope that by this post you can clearly see how he is - at the very least - playing this game very badly, and hope that you will agree with me that this guy is scum. Your goal has been to back down from your case. I see you saying "especially regarding someone like BH"-- if you think this is my scum meta, or if you think me being confident or aggressive if my scum meta, you are just an oyster with your head in the sand. | ||
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On November 14 2012 07:23 marvellosity wrote: that's a logical fallacy, because they don't have extra information to slip. No. Look, townies make statements all the time that could be interpreted that there's extra info to slip. Like they refer to "the townies" in the third person or assume someone is scum or town and this kind of thing is also what scum do when they scumslip. It appears the same to the outside observer, and it's why scumslips are not a useful tool in scumhunting. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 14 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote: Blazing, you still haven't answered why you're attacking Z-Bo so heavily for his s&b vote when there's a slew of other people who made very similar votes. And stop calling his case OMGUS, it's tedious. Z&B was hopping around and trying to start wagons until one stuck, then he did, and it stuck. He is the scummiest, and I will lynch him. Other people might also be scummy, but that's not my main concern: I've caught scum. It's a waste of my time and attention to think about these other, worse candidates beyond the normal examination of their posts and the cases against him. | ||
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Man, there's few things I hate like arguing about my own meta, but several people have talked about it, at least in passing, so I'm dispelling the meta myth right now. I would have liked someone else to do it, but you all are too lazy to actually back up your meta statements so I have to do it myself. It'd be really nice if one of you could verify it for yourself because a dude talking about his own meta doesn't usually go well. Here are my scum games. There might be one or two I'm missing, but these are the ones I remember: Cop Idiot Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328827&user=133498 Bureaucracy Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498 Resistance II: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311315&user=133498 Emergency Mini Mafia (3rd party): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311315&user=133498 If you take a look at all these games, even Emergency Mini Mafia, what people are attributing to my "bad scum meta" this game are not present at all. As scum I try to play like town-- posting big cases and interacting with people a lot. Where I fail is that as scum, I'm typically overly diplomatic and temperamentally less aggressive. This game is nothing like any of my scum games. Now let's look at the one time I've been mislynched, in Storm Mafia: Storm Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=133498 Yeah it's rather old but the point is I don't always play perfectly. Sometimes, yes, I'm making smaller posts and my cases aren't perfect. I've been mislynched for playing to my "scum meta" when in fact I just sometimes play differently as town. I'm not making the same mistake I made in Storm Mafia-- not defending myself zealously and claiming at the appropriate time. I'm the Jailkeeper. My crumb is in the post where I talk about my large penis and how it could work as a "pad" (link)-- for pad-lock, lock, locked up, jail, jailkeeper. Admittedly, role crumbs aren't much supporting evidence, but lynching a claimed blue D1 is amazingly bad play. It's possible there's no scum roleblocker which means my power can still be of use to us. You all have plenty of time to unvote me and vote Z-B before the day ends. | ||
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youre welcome to be mad at me but at least let me soak up a bullet/rb tonight and potentially stop the scum NK | ||
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