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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 17:38 GMT
#519
fuck phones Ill vote when I get home
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 17:42 GMT
#524
Actually my case is pretty sexy. Will read/review and co sider my vote
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 17:50 GMT
#529
what hapa is saying is that bad scum play is still scum play even if its alsoz bad

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 17:58 GMT
#541
porcupiney
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 18:04 GMT
#551
On November 14 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
I think iamp is town.

If we lynch him today for what he's done so far, I quit mafia.


this kind of hostage-taking isnt cool dude.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 20:16 GMT
#585
im not sure ive called it a masterpiece but yeah its good
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 20:23 GMT
#589
just cuz u agree with me doesnt mean ur town dude
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 20:42 GMT
#594
On November 14 2012 05:25 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:
just cuz u agree with me doesnt mean ur town dude

why dont you wait until you get home and put some proper thoughts out there instead of this crap. Tell me what you really think is hapas case on me or do you change your mind give me the why or dont say anything at all.


man everyones so negative
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:00 GMT
#606
On November 14 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Rather odd to be cracking jokes and saying you have null reads when you don't have the time to post, unless you're trying to seem active.


spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to crack jokes

way easier to crack jokes than to contribute, dont see why it's odd
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:03 GMT
#609
On November 14 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
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On November 14 2012 06:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 14 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Rather odd to be cracking jokes and saying you have null reads when you don't have the time to post, unless you're trying to seem active.


spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to crack jokes

way easier to crack jokes than to contribute, dont see why it's odd


stop spamming up the thread.


its a legitimate point
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:07 GMT
#612
On November 14 2012 06:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
@ Blazing

Well I'm working under the assumption that it's a time issue, being in two active mafia games.
Cracking jokes is something you do on the side. You play mafia to play mafia, socializing is nice but it's not why I play mafia at least, guess I can't speak for others.
If all you're doing is cracking jokes then that's anti-town, you don't agree? If you're going to be around to post 3 pages of filter without content, why not post 1 page of content instead, if you're town.



Absolutely, but cracking jokes isn't a scum tell any more than being inactive in general is. Town players play anti-town all the time. Someone who's posting but with zero content is "active lurking" which is functionally equivalent to lurking-- just as scummy, no more, no less.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:07 GMT
#613
On November 14 2012 06:04 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 06:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 14 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Rather odd to be cracking jokes and saying you have null reads when you don't have the time to post, unless you're trying to seem active.


spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to crack jokes

way easier to crack jokes than to contribute, dont see why it's odd

or you could do what your doing right now

## Vote Blazinghand

I want want your thinking of me and zbos now in a proper fashion or in my view your just claiming scum

Don't come back until you do


Well, I'm home now so I'll write a post with some proper thoughts. And I see no reason to leave the thread just because you've told me to.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:07 GMT
#615
Any attempts to blackmail me or silence me from this thread shall be met with the proper level of derision.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:16 GMT
#618
On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
It seems to me people are thinking too much of my posts, expecting some sort of brilliant day one cases. Disagreeing with my logic does not make me scum.
That should pretty much handle the vast chunk of shit I got the last few pages.

There are, however, some things I'd like to point out during these last events, though:

First thing to note is how uncharacteristically bad BH's case is against me. He's basically saying I'm bullshitting with every post I make. While I agree my posts are not the bestest they can be, I'm not sure why that implies I'm scum.

He says this one thing in particular though:

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ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.


Note two things.
1) He's saying I'm setting up to look good as a wagon starter.
This is balls-to-the wall dumb. How am I a wagon starter just for having the first vote? Also, as he himself noted, I did not write a full essay regarding why I think SnB is scum. I voted for him for implying that he is town, and that's basically it. If I wanted to become a "wagon starter", that's obviously the exact opposite of what I should do, I would make a much more elaborate case.
Ironically, I could say the same about BH and his case on me, and with much more validity, as he actually goes deep in his case on me, and seems somehow certain of my alignment, something which he leaves very clear later on:
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...I actually want to lynch ZB, and ZB is actually scum....

Now, I'm not scum, so in my pov he is pretty much full of shit with this remark. There's a difference between bad logic, the thing he is calling me on bullshitting, and actual bullshitting, which is what this "wagon starting" remark actually is.



You were starting a weak wagon. This is the easiest way to start a wagon as scum. You wanted to take a position that LOOKED good, which is started a wagon, without the commitment and risk that comes with it. Something you could back off of or move away from easily-- and look how you did. It was a vote with a ghost of a case rather than a real one. And you backtracked it quite well, but the point stands.


On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
2) He's saying my filter is short, and it's clear I'm not helping.
Again, completely ironic and hypocritical.
He has only three completely useless posts up until this one:

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think.


Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum.

From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game.


you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum.


Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking.


The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o.


Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose.



Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even.

Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller.

That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously.


The second paragraph is completely fluffy, he's not actually saying anything.

That being said, I would like everyone to pay attention to the bolded on the third paragraph. He heavily, heavily thrashes me for being weak on my vote on SnB. Let's ignore all the others, especially DP (who voted TWICE on SnB, without saying anything). Let's focus on what he says here on iamp - and this is important. He says that iamp is throwing his vote around to pressure people, and that's all A-ok.


Yeah it was based on iamp being generally a bad player but there's also a difference between starting a wagon with no case and jumping on one with no case. In retrospect iamp was not immune to blame, but saying something like "he didn't attack iamperfection hard enough" or "one paragraph in this post was a bit fluffy" (when in fact it was not, i'm trying to help the players in this game play well) isn't a legitimate critique of my posting.

On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
Now pause and think here. I'll quote what he said about that on me for clarity:

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....S&B's "accidental" "vt claim" (both of those are in question) could be suspicious. But Z-B doesn't explain why. He doesn't set up a scum motive. He just slaps down a vote and bails. This is a chance to look like a townie wagon-started without doing analysis or writing the kind of long posts that could reveal his own scum motives. When Hapa rightly calls him on it .....


and

Show nested quote +
....A town player would lay out his own thought process right away so that others understand what he's thinking. He'd respond to s&B and push the wagon, not just slap down a vote and a bad explanation.....


Now contrast that to what he said about iamp's voting. On iamp, he is completely casual regarding his voting. On his case on me, however, he's aggressive and incisive , as you can clearly tell from the quotes I posted above.

Why does this make him scummy? Because it shows clear signs of fabrication, as one can easily infer from the quotes above. His views on "casual voting" are in complete contrast.

One more thing, that I ignored earlier. If he feels so strongly about me voting SnB without giving any reasoning or thoughts, why isn't he going after DP, who's actually done that not once, but TWICE??
Townie Motivation: none.
Scum motivation: he feels threatened that I have claimed miller and people are not showing signs of doubt on my claim.


You've made a good case for why DP and iamperfection are also scummy, but nothing here about why you're not. In retrospect, I shouldn't have implicitly rule out the possibility of you AND iamperfection being scum together.

On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote:


tl;dr
1) Blazinghand's case on me is uncharacteristically bad. It's also not consistent with his townie play on Liquid City. Look at his progression on Shiaopi, who was incidentally also making uncharacteristically bad cases as well.
2) Blazinghand is being supremely inconsistent, contradictory and hypocritical of what he defines as scum-motivated and what not, showing signs of someone who is merely fabricating cases, as detailed above.

I tried to be as clear as possible here, because I don't want people to feel like this is just OMGUS.

My votes on SnB and debears were more pressure votes, as if that wasn't pretty much clear.
This one on blazinghand, is not. I think he's the best lynch so far, as everything I've stated seem to point on him being scum.

##Unvote
##Vote Blazinghand


And, I think it's scummy here that
A) you've backed away from your SnB vote and claimed it was just pressure when the wagon began to fall apart, just like you set up for when you voted
B) this is basically a straight-up OMGUS

I had moved my vote over to iamperfection, and he seems scummy but I really can't ignore a shit OMGUS of this magnitude. Rereading I've realized it was a mistake to ever unvote you. And I am not threatened by your claim because a miller claim is meaningless-- it's a null tell. It's never factored into my case or my analysis of you, but you sure seem insecure about it.

##unvote
##vote ZB
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:18 GMT
#619
In any case, all you guys who are voting me because I missed the first 3 hours of the game, or because I'm tuning in via phone: reconsider your votes. take a look at ZB's play this game and the way he's started and backed off from wagons, trying to build town cred without the liability of positions he can be held to. It's classic scum play. Don't pay attention to his miller claim either way-- just read his filter and tell me he isn't scum waffling like classic scum, looking for something to stick to and gain cred with.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:20 GMT
#620
Also Marv since you seem to be voting me on in part on meta, take a look at my actual scum games, link, and quote if you have a meta case against me. I can't really argue meta since a meta case is about me, but I am not displaying my scum meta because, quite simply, I am not scum. I challenge you to actually construct a meta case.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:35 GMT
#621
So I guess when I got home literally everyone else stepped out for a smoke or are taking a constipated turn on the toilet. That's cool-- I'll be around for a while.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:48 GMT
#623
1) yeah but that post was
2) just did
3) he mentioned it
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:55 GMT
#625
In his OMGUS post
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
November 13 2012 21:55 GMT
#626
On November 14 2012 01:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
One more thing, that I ignored earlier. If he feels so strongly about me voting SnB without giving any reasoning or thoughts, why isn't he going after DP, who's actually done that not once, but TWICE??
Townie Motivation: none.
Scum motivation: he feels threatened that I have claimed miller and people are not showing signs of doubt on my claim.

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