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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 02:44 GMT
#354
On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think.


Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum.

From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game.


you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum.


Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 02:52 GMT
#358
On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think.


Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum.

From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game.


you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum.


Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking.


The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o.


Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 06:56 GMT
#372
I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.

The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.

I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.

I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.

@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 06:57 GMT
#373
Holy shit after reading BH's case on ZB I thought he was Austin for a moment. 0_o
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 07:13 GMT
#375
BH. Austin always posts like a huge case on ZB every single game. It was a bad joke.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 07:20 GMT
#376
About the thing that ZB thought about scum implying they are town. That is actually what he thinks. He has said it a couple of times before. He actually uses it to catch me as scum apparently. It doesn't really effect your case that much. But I do know that this is one of his genuine scumhunting tools as town.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 07:49 GMT
#383
On November 13 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry you must be hard of hearing

your vote on S&B right now is bad

Is the reason for that his play is too 'risky' or too 'scummy' to be scum play? Because that is what I got from waht thrawn says and you just agreed with it.

If that is the case then I'm not buying what you are selling.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 07:50 GMT
#384
Eh. I wouldn;t say I had a particularly strong read on S&B.

##Unvote
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 07:57 GMT
#388
On November 13 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 16:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry you must be hard of hearing

your vote on S&B right now is bad

Is the reason for that his play is too 'risky' or too 'scummy' to be scum play? Because that is what I got from waht thrawn says and you just agreed with it.

If that is the case then I'm not buying what you are selling.



there's no such thing as too scummy for scum play


Ok then can you explain to me why only idiots and scum are voting for S&B. Cause I can't see it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 08:06 GMT
#393
On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote:
DP seems unusually butthurt

yeah I went there

I've been sitting on that joke for so long


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

BTW What is a Begger man Mr. Caos?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 08:06 GMT
#395
On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 16:57 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry you must be hard of hearing

your vote on S&B right now is bad

Is the reason for that his play is too 'risky' or too 'scummy' to be scum play? Because that is what I got from waht thrawn says and you just agreed with it.

If that is the case then I'm not buying what you are selling.



there's no such thing as too scummy for scum play


Ok then can you explain to me why only idiots and scum are voting for S&B. Cause I can't see it.


cause he's town. it's not my job to defend the man, just to point out the scum on his wagon. read his filter and tell me that's scum S&B seriously dude


So it's meta? Well I have only played scum with him so I wouldn't know.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 08:09 GMT
#398
On November 13 2012 17:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote:
DP seems unusually butthurt

yeah I went there

I've been sitting on that joke for so long


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

BTW What is a Begger man Mr. Caos?


That was breadcrumbing a night check. I believe I was a watcher that game, and it was a reference to a spy novel by john le carre. I got back no results so I crumbed it as Beggar man, who WAS NOT the mole in Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.


Finally. That has bugged me since forever. It was the weirdest thing and I just couldn't figure it out.

My mind is at ease.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 08:11 GMT
#402
On November 13 2012 17:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:57 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 16:43 Blazinghand wrote:
sorry you must be hard of hearing

your vote on S&B right now is bad

Is the reason for that his play is too 'risky' or too 'scummy' to be scum play? Because that is what I got from waht thrawn says and you just agreed with it.

If that is the case then I'm not buying what you are selling.



there's no such thing as too scummy for scum play


Ok then can you explain to me why only idiots and scum are voting for S&B. Cause I can't see it.


cause he's town. it's not my job to defend the man, just to point out the scum on his wagon. read his filter and tell me that's scum S&B seriously dude


So it's meta? Well I have only played scum with him so I wouldn't know.


I have no further comments on S&B as long as your only comments on my case on ZB are peripheral to whether or not you agree with it. And really, the S&B wagon is irrelevant and won't roll across the line because we're lynching ZB today. S&B isn't scum.


Fair enough.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 14 2012 01:11 GMT
#725
On November 14 2012 07:44 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, but if wishes were wings, etc.

Man, there's few things I hate like arguing about my own meta, but several people have talked about it, at least in passing, so I'm dispelling the meta myth right now. I would have liked someone else to do it, but you all are too lazy to actually back up your meta statements so I have to do it myself. It'd be really nice if one of you could verify it for yourself because a dude talking about his own meta doesn't usually go well.

Here are my scum games. There might be one or two I'm missing, but these are the ones I remember:

Cop Idiot Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328827&user=133498
Bureaucracy Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498
Resistance II: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311315&user=133498
Emergency Mini Mafia (3rd party): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311315&user=133498

If you take a look at all these games, even Emergency Mini Mafia, what people are attributing to my "bad scum meta" this game are not present at all. As scum I try to play like town-- posting big cases and interacting with people a lot. Where I fail is that as scum, I'm typically overly diplomatic and temperamentally less aggressive. This game is nothing like any of my scum games.

Now let's look at the one time I've been mislynched, in Storm Mafia:
Storm Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=133498

Yeah it's rather old but the point is I don't always play perfectly. Sometimes, yes, I'm making smaller posts and my cases aren't perfect. I've been mislynched for playing to my "scum meta" when in fact I just sometimes play differently as town. I'm not making the same mistake I made in Storm Mafia-- not defending myself zealously and claiming at the appropriate time.

I'm the Jailkeeper. My crumb is in the post where I talk about my large penis and how it could work as a "pad" (link)-- for pad-lock, lock, locked up, jail, jailkeeper. Admittedly, role crumbs aren't much supporting evidence, but lynching a claimed blue D1 is amazingly bad play. It's possible there's no scum roleblocker which means my power can still be of use to us.

You all have plenty of time to unvote me and vote Z-B before the day ends.


YOLO
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 14 2012 01:14 GMT
#727
I'm back by the way and catching Up with the thread. So far Clarity's case seems somewhat reasonable. It's wrong of course but I can't fault him for it. Playing in two games is not somethign I would have done but kier asked me to join up and I could not refuse

I am prioritising my other game as I feel it would be unfair to the players in ACME if I ditched them for the newer game. I don't have as much time to spend on this game as I would like right now but Hopefully my other game will be over soon and I can Be as active in this game as I would like.

Well. I better keep reading the thread. See you all soon.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 14 2012 01:29 GMT
#733
On November 14 2012 10:18 Hapahauli wrote:
While you're prioritizing the other game - any thoughts on recent suspicions? What are your thoughts on debears while you're at it?


I am loathe to make reads when I am not paying as much attention as I should. I am going out for lunch and when I get back I should be able to have a look through his filter.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 14 2012 02:59 GMT
#784
On November 14 2012 11:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 11:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
His last voting action was an unvote, and the next 8 posts contain mainly fluff and jokes, not much information that's pertinent to the thread.



The fact that he hasn't taken a position is worrying-- but the joking and fluff are characteristic of his play. See NMMXXVIII

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370487&currentpage=17#322



That game is one of the specific ones I'm thinking of in regards to dp's town play. He stays on his targets till he gets a flip, he is sorta.. aggressive.. with his language, especially when people are disagreeing with him. This game he's made extremely questionable votes while not pushing his reads. Town dp reads as the most convicted guy ever and that's not what i'm seeing this game.[/QUOTE]

The reason I don't sound convicted is that I literally have no convictions whatsoever right now. I am barely keeping up with the game. I am spending obscene amounts of time reading filters in my other game.

Once I have some clue as to the state of the game. I will be busting peoples balls and generally aggressive as per usual.

Do you think as scum I couldn't fake some contributions by now? and get all up in your faces about it. The reason I am not is because I care about being right and I have not put enough thought nor analysed enough information to be right about much at all.

My strongest read so far was a town read on BH when he was under pressure. But then he claimed JK so I didn;t need to defend him as I was planning to.

Like. What you are saying is reasonable. But playing twow games is kicking my arse and I just don;t have the time to play as well as I would like to.

Lynching me is a mislynch.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 14 2012 04:22 GMT
#821
On November 14 2012 12:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 14 2012 12:44 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 14 2012 12:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 14 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:
thawn so do you have a game in mind as an example of DP's scum meta? Since you and marv aree disagreeinvw


my impression of dp's scum meta is based on what I read from his play in LC. He was wishy washy with his read on kushmasta while trying to mislynch him, not being stubborn as i'd come to expect


Really? I was on his team in LC and he seemed super tunnel-y on kush.
Though tbh, tunneling townies is part of his scum and town meta. Hence why I have a hard time reading him.


it was all the midway through the game shit with boson, kush, and dp. dp was tunneling kush, but he seemed to not really care too much if kush actually got lynched as long as there was another townie to mislynch. town dp rides his targets into the ground for better or worse


From what I remember from Mafia LVII, he tried to ride people into the ground there as well (as scum). I'll look into it, but I'm not all too convinced about the meta read. Still pretty null on DP for the record. He's a little less active than I'm used to seeing him, though he's probably still asleep.

Also, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on some other players... howabout debears? I think he's much summier than DP at the moment.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=37#726


I was asleep. now I have some free time which I am spending mainly on ACME.

I am keeping up with the thread though and will spend some good time on this game when I get back from going out tonight.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 14 2012 04:48 GMT
#824
On November 14 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Thrawn is more right than he's wrong. More stalling, excuses, and mentioning other games in progress from DP.

##unvote
##vote: Darthpunk


Ugh. your not wrong. I should not have joined 2 games at once. Sorry town.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 14 2012 05:17 GMT
#829
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?

Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.

I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.

Is that scummy or townie.

Yes I am playing badly. Yes I have excuses which are valid.

If you lynch me it is a mislynch. I feel I could genuinely contribute to the game when I have more time.

But I can understand where you are coming from also.

Please just ask why on earth I would play scum this way when I could easily tunnel some lynch bait.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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