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On November 14 2012 01:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
Blazing for the love of god use spellcheck or autocorrect or something and please stop posting one liners and address the case made against you.
Hi guys, I'm back.
Marv I'm not suspicious of you, I was just curious about debears' response. I phrased the question in a way that would make him seem inconsistent if he found you town, but he found you town anyway. Gives me a town read on debears. Scum hate to be inconsistent.
oh, interesting, I'd misread where you were going with it. Carry on then ^_^
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Guys, guys!!!
I think I may have an awesome quiz for you a little later in the evening. It may even be as good as my Palmar quiz in Rock Band.
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On November 14 2012 01:51 marvellosity wrote:
Guys, guys!!!
I think I may have an awesome quiz for you a little later in the evening. It may even be as good as my Palmar quiz in Rock Band.
the guess the alignment game?
I like that game
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so marv you think ZB is both coherent and town?
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On November 14 2012 01:51 marvellosity wrote:
Guys, guys!!!
I think I may have an awesome quiz for you a little later in the evening. It may even be as good as my Palmar quiz in Rock Band.
I'll bite..... what?
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On November 14 2012 01:54 Blazinghand wrote:
so marv you think ZB is both coherent and town?
unsure of Z-Bo's alignment, but his case seemed pretty reasonable, ya.
Clarity, you'll have to wait and see!
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including the part where he says mu case on him is bad huh
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On November 14 2012 02:06 Blazinghand wrote:
including the part where he says mu case on him is bad huh
i said myself i thought your case on him was bad, before z-bo did
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so I guess what im trying to get at, and I mentioned this before the zb case-- is why didnt you vote mr earlier?
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I didn't have anything convincing down on paper to do so
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and ZB's case broughrt new ibfo to light-- or put it on paper, as it were. is this correctly represting your though t process?
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Catching up on my lunch break.
Regarding SnB
##Unvote
After sleeping on it, I'm starting to agree that his play is too far of a deviation from his normal scum play to be scummy. I don't know what he's thinking, but it's much more reckless of a playstyle than I'd expect of scum SnB.
(FWIW, the fact that he's continuing this behavior into today makes me think he's an SK or something. It falls into that "townie but really off" type of play that's common with 3rd party roles.)
On November 13 2012 17:42 Clarity_nl wrote:Hapa, this still bothers me. I asked you what you thought about SnB's claim and if you thought it was bad for town, and you answered: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Clarity
Well in a theoretical sense yes, but you remember how well that worked with Cheesecake in Newbie XXX right? It's really not that significant IMO. You compared this to Cheese's claim from NMM XXX even though the situations are completely different. The only reason Cheese claimed was because he thought only VT's knew the VT flavor. So he was trying to claim without alerting scum. SnB just outright claimed VT. After I explain why it's different, you basically give me the same answer: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not like he flavor claimed, thinking others didn't know the flavor. How are those situations alike?
You don't think it's a weird move for a VT to claim VT day 1? No I don't find it weird. I think it's just a pointless comment that can be made by either alignment. Again, see Mr. Cheesecake's "odd" VT claim time in the Newbie game. Him trusting Z-Bo's claim so up-front is a bit strange, but again, I don't know if it's just bad logic or scum knowing who's who. I haven't seen anything alignment indicative from him yet. The other thing I don't really like is the use of "theoretically yes" and "IMO" Whenever I've seen you post you tend to be direct and with conviction, but not this time.
I still believe both situations to be the same - they are both strangely timed VT claims. Cheese's intent to "signal" other townies isn't a significant difference, as both potentially fall into the category of "scum wanting to look less suspicious despite not being suspicious." The situations are not identical by any means, but they're more similar than not.
Regardless, I'm not suspicious of SnB anymore so I don't want to dwell on this.
Regarding the Z-Boson Case
I really disagree with it. The case is a giant anecdote for how Z-Boson's actions could be scummy rather than why they're scummy.
ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
All of this isn't valid at all hours into D1. All of the stuff described above is completely non-alignment indicative in the early game.
Z-Boson has been less active than I'm used to seeing him, but again early D1 caveats. No reason to vote him.
Regarding iamperfection
His sudden flip-flop on Z-Boson is really strange. He goes from strongly trusting Z-Bo's claim early in the game to a vote for really shitty reasons.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=22#434
In his vote post, he first picks a fight with BH - odd considering that he's ultimately going to agree with his read. He puts a lot of stock into one of Z-Bo's early D1 postings and early-game banter (meaningless). He then talks about the "iamperfection rule" and another early D1 wishy-washy post.
I wouldn't mind this if it weren't for his discussion about the miller claim:
I know i said early on that i thought the miller claim was more of a town tell but well i think zbos actions speak louder.
WHAT?!?!? Iamperfection had almost no doubt about Z-Bo's motives, and he's willing to do a complete 180 with the above reasoning. Just take a look at his previous stance, made right after Z-Bo's claim:
On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right.
He immediately trusted Z-Boson without question the second Z-Bo made that claim. Then all of a sudden now he turns around and can doubt the claim he so strongly believed in earlier. It makes no sense to me, and it looks like scum jumping on someone the second they have the reason to. This would be fine if he had a good case, but he just hinges on a couple of early D1 posts and the "iamperfection" rule as opposed to anything substantial.
It doesn't help that the rest of his filter reads really artificially confrontational to me. It feels like he's trying to overcompensate for being caught in GSL III for not showing his "bravado" throughout the game.
##Vote iamperfection
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On November 14 2012 01:51 marvellosity wrote:
Guys, guys!!!
I think I may have an awesome quiz for you a little later in the evening. It may even be as good as my Palmar quiz in Rock Band.
Oooh Quiz =D
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the case on iamp makes zero sense to me, his jumping on Z-bo draws attention to himself massively, for reasons you mention, and I see no reason whatsoever to do that as scum.
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Wow I actually like hapas case bettdr than mine.
[b]##unvote
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fuck phones Ill vote when I get home
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I changed my mind deal with it bro. When I get home I might do it again. does that make me scum? If so continue if not don't waste my time
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