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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:16 GMT
#3811
On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?


we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^


Yeah read my comments on the last page or two. My gf's grandmother died etc


ah. sorry to hear it.

I'm most curious how you went from protecting DP over me night 1 to not being sure he was town later.

Like, nothing significant had changed. DP pretty much had to be town because of the first cycle.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:21 GMT
#3816
On November 23 2012 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:16 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:14 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:
But.. town WAS already doing great. Like, that's a fact. You're welcome to dispute that fact, but it was true. In any case, Aside from me not buying your defense, what other lazy things did I do that I should avoid in the future?


we're talking post 1st cycle, right? ^_^


Yeah read my comments on the last page or two. My gf's grandmother died etc


ah. sorry to hear it.

I'm most curious how you went from protecting DP over me night 1 to not being sure he was town later.

Like, nothing significant had changed. DP pretty much had to be town because of the first cycle.


DP wasn't reading the thread-- I had him as my least townie town read for that.


your death reads post was dangerously indecisive. It was sooooo unlikely, like monumentally so, that DP was scum after the day 1 shenannies.

"I like DP less, but I think Djo is scummier" was not as strong as I'd hoped, especially as you'd cottoned on to the fact that Djodref's setup speculation basically took days and confirmed players who would end up being confirmed eventually and weren't getting lynched.

Like, there were REALLY REALLY GOOD REASONS why DP should be town, and none of these reasons existed for Djo.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:22 GMT
#3820
"cottoned on" is like grasped/realised. maybe it's a britishism.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:23 GMT
#3822
yes I know and you were right, but like I said its lack of firmness was worrying. it didn't even say "lynch djodref after s&b"

all's well that ends well, thankfully.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:26 GMT
#3828
On November 23 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote:

That being said. I think I should be banned or something. It is clearly against the rules to win by making others not want to play. And I'm pretty sure that is what happened here.



No, no, this is simply not a correct reflection of events.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:36 GMT
#3843
On November 23 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On November 23 2012 08:32 Blazinghand wrote:
But definitely not because you were aggressive, aggressive DP is town dP


He's aggressive as both alignments. But his play as town is very different as town and as scum in some way I'll leave marv to explain


And give away my secrets?!

There was one other thing - although debears got bizarrely sniped, he wasn't checking Djodref that night, when he should have been. Check the replacement almost always, especially if he's replacing some lurker who's on the confirmed, flipped town's "lynch list"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 22 2012 23:58 GMT
#3865
On November 23 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one.


Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum.


This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was.


SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1


I disagree. But fair enough.

Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it.


you will roll town most of the time (yes, i know you've been a bit unlucky with scum rolls) so having someone recognise you as town is pretty useful.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 00:19 GMT
#3868
On November 23 2012 09:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 08:58 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one.


Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum.


This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was.


SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1


I disagree. But fair enough.

Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it.


you will roll town most of the time (yes, i know you've been a bit unlucky with scum rolls) so having someone recognise you as town is pretty useful.


Yes but if I can emulate it I can do it as both alignments and then everyone will know I am town regardless of alignment. Right?


how does this benefit me?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 00:28 GMT
#3871
On November 23 2012 09:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 09:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:58 marvellosity wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 23 2012 08:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
I disagree heavily with not lynching replacements. If the guy he was replacing was hella scummy, and in 48 hours you manage to act scummily and provide zero to none reads, that's more information than you have on whoever you lynched on day one.


Yes, Djodref played scummy during D2, but you can't hold a guy accountable for the actions of the guy he replaced in for. I gave him 72 hours, then called him scum.


This is a liberal interpretation of events. You called him scummier than me. and didn't really help me get a lynch on him as you should have if you were certain like I was.


SnB was the scummiest, he was priority 1


I disagree. But fair enough.

Now marv just needs to tell me my meta tell so I can change it.


you will roll town most of the time (yes, i know you've been a bit unlucky with scum rolls) so having someone recognise you as town is pretty useful.


Yes but if I can emulate it I can do it as both alignments and then everyone will know I am town regardless of alignment. Right?


how does this benefit me?


You get to improve the play of others and therefore have a richer experience when you play with them


but it won't improve his town play, only his scumplay, and the chances of rolling scum with someone are quite small. I'd rather his scumplay was catchable :D
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 00:35 GMT
#3874
quiet you :D
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 00:35 GMT
#3875
naw, I'll just teach him then, BH.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 01:09:06
November 23 2012 01:08 GMT
#3881
On November 23 2012 10:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 09:33 Keirathi wrote:
Don't you remember what you said to me after LC when I said "meh, for all the good it did, I should have just kept my meta read [of you, proving kush was town] to myself?"

You said you were glad I shared because you wanted the opportunity to improve your own game. You should extend the same courtesy to DP, IMO!


This.


it's quite hard to describe, really. just little behavioural and tonal tells. Kei knows how to read you too, ask him, ask him!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 13:17 GMT
#3899
On November 23 2012 18:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 18:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 13:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 13:34 Keirathi wrote:
On November 23 2012 13:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 23 2012 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
I believe I've explained how I nailed you as scum in both of your last two scum games, didn't I?

In both games, you had a well thought out opinion that set you apart from the crowd, then backed off that opinion to push an easy target when it was convenient.

In LC, you were the first person to pressure me at all. You had a super strong, well reasoned case about why I was scum that 100% could have gotten me lynched if you stuck to it. Instead of fighting for it, though, you backed off to push kush once he started getting pressured because it was "easier".

ACME was basically the same. You gave a well-reasoned town read on kush, then when no one paid attention to it and started talking about lynching kush, you were all too happy to join in the wagon on him, despite the fact that he was still acting the same way you called him town for.

However, I can't actually say how that's different from your town play, because I'm pretty unfamiliar with reading you and deciding that you're town. I think I would need to obs a game where you're town to notice if you actually do any of those things and see if my read is right. This game doesn't count, since I already knew your alignment beforehand.


yeah thanks kei I'll work on that. Or just do it a bunch as town.

Doing it a bunch as town is a terrible strategy


Yeah but it serves the purpose of obfuscating my meta.


It also serves the purpose of not being good for town. When you're town: Play to your win con, not your meta.
Your town play should affect your scum play, not the other way around.


ZZZ I wasn't being serious.


Don't jest, some players like Drazerk genuinely believe that's a good thing. He plays terribly on purpose so people can't "meta" him. Don't ask.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 14:14 GMT
#3901
On November 23 2012 22:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Can I change my story from "played this bad while trying" to "played this bad but was actually trying to play bad for weird meta reasons"


it'd make me feel better <3

actually apart from the first cycle I don't really think you played badly, maybe like you admitted a little lazily.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 17:49 GMT
#3904
On November 24 2012 02:40 debears wrote:
I think the best strategy in terms of meta is to just post a shit ton
1) It makes you get nked early as town
2) It makes you look scummy day 1 no matter what, but you will never be lynched unless you just completely mess up
3) It allows you as scum to be active with thread presence while still being considered scummy

The only downside, as to what Hapa and Marv experience, is that you don't make it past d2/d3 as scum
:D

But maybe you can bullshit your way out of it


i don't really agree with any of this

especially as most of my scum games i've been alive to take the win at lylo

you get nked early if you're strong and constructive, not because you post a lot
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 23 2012 18:17 GMT
#3907
On November 24 2012 03:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
That'd be the so-called "Oh-god-shut-the-fuck-up bullet"


that's where the "wtf" shot on Shady Sands came from in Death Note.

He was a clear mislynch target for me as scum but I killed him to stop him posting. No-one in the thread or the obsQT understood the shot at all, and gamewise it was completely suboptimal.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 26 2012 01:29 GMT
#3929
On November 26 2012 10:24 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm gonna be real here it was a picture of a dick


why don't i believe you
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 26 2012 01:49 GMT
#3941
rofl. actually having a good chuckle right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 28 2012 02:12 GMT
#3949
On November 28 2012 11:06 Blazinghand wrote:
It's certainly not against the rules, but it's playing a game that's not mafia. Mentioning out-of-game things in game as excuses for activity is unsportsmanlike. I don't want to play a game that's about seeing if someone's excuse is real or not by trying to figure out if it's photo-shopped or it makes sense. That game isn't mafia, and it isn't what mafia should be about.


I only partially agree. If I've been away for some reason or I know I'll be away, I'll say so so that the thread knows. People can take it or leave it. I'd rather just say "I'm travelling today, so I won't be around until tomorrow" than ppl go "omg marv so quiet for so long i wonder wft is up with that shizzle to the nizzle"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 28 2012 02:21 GMT
#3953
On November 28 2012 11:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't think saying "I'm gonna be gone for a day" is great but at least it's something that can be analyzed and fit into a read with someone's actions. I personally ignore such statements because they are as easily made by town as by scum-- it's null. It doesn't offend me, it's just not helpful.

I think once people start photographing plane tickets and taking screenshots of dota games, though, they've crossed the line. It may not be against the rules but I find it very distasteful.


yeah, i just don't agree with this. like, it's supposed to be null, i'm just making a statement of fact. Obviously you can take inactivity/excuses into a larger read, but overall I much prefer warning the thread of my absences. I've never lied about my absences as either alignment and I never will.
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