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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 28 2012 21:30 GMT
#7
/in this sounds awesome
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 29 2012 22:55 GMT
#34
On October 30 2012 07:43 iamperfection wrote:
God damn it no power.

/out
/obs

Sandy?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 30 2012 20:12 GMT
#55
Do questions have to follow any posting rules (ex. the alphabet one)?
If a player messes up on "g", does the next player skip ahead to "h" or do they get to take "g" as their starting letter?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 30 2012 21:31 GMT
#62
On October 31 2012 06:04 Mattchew wrote:

it's pretty unique to this area...


This is the part that people are disregarding. This wasn't expected or planned for at all. Its also why Katrina wreaked havoc on New Orleans...the city is below sea level, it wasnt designed for that type of weather. As far as storms go, Sandy wasn't that bad. Neither is an 100ºF day in Texas, but Alaska? Shits gonna go bad. Context matters here more than the "class" of the storm.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 30 2012 21:46 GMT
#65
On October 31 2012 06:40 marvellosity wrote:
It was a bit chilly in England today.

Is it not always chilly?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 30 2012 22:01 GMT
#67
=O
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 30 2012 23:56 GMT
#73
Chezinu, he was close, but probably expected you you to stop at "z". Don't you know that meme? "Ermahgerd" doesn't start with an "a".
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 00:18 GMT
#80
On October 31 2012 09:17 iGrok wrote:

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 02:28 GMT
#97
Eventually we're probably all going to want to hulk out on the mechanic. For the time being, lets focus on what matters. Getting rid of these musicians trying to ruin our amazing show. However, something that seems off is the lack of sample role PM's that were promised in the OP. I don't quite know what to make of that. Just trying to make sure I haven't misread anything.

Keeping on track then, BH would you mind giving a bit more on why Chezinu, as trivial as it might be?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 03:53 GMT
#124
Lets see,,,
Makes "joke vote".
No explaination.
Oh wait, that's bad.
Posts again without respecting the days minigame.
Questionable intentions.
"Real vote" : ##Vote: BroodKingEXE
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 03:56 GMT
#127
So...BKE's going to need to start paying more attention. That's awesome. Unfortunately I need to sleep so I'm going to bed.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 12:50 GMT
#142
Before they do that, why is that a good idea?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 14:42 GMT
#154
Really odd defense of BKE from crossfire. So what exactly did you "clearly see" crossfire to convince you bke wasn't scummy for his joke vote?

To Chezinu, you just used sentences. Usually that kind of contradiction is scummy. VOTE HIM??! (Xeric humor is not my strong suit...)
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 14:42 GMT
#155
EBWOP: Damnit missed W as well...1hour timeout
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 16:30 GMT
#163
zoning of players into their role categories puts you right there with him crossfire:

On October 31 2012 23:26 Crossfire99 wrote:

Ah, a wild Chezinu appears! Before it gets too long I must catch up to post my thoughts. Chezinu, if I include myself along with you, audience members now number two.



Anyways, regarding BKE. BroodKing's initial vote was "a joke", but he still had to vote and had to explain it.

On October 31 2012 12:02 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Cross oc I was just kidding. Dont you read the rules I cant post an hour past breaking the rules.

On October 31 2012 12:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Peek at my meta, I hate people who go back on their word.
Question for the host, am I out if I get ninj'ed?

On October 31 2012 12:19 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Relook at your own post Adam. Starting post are usually not serious. There's nothing wrong with a joke right?


On October 31 2012 12:47 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Gahhh, I forgot to explain. Having a vote in this thread, and not in the voting thread is my pet peeve. I make an accusation against someones vote, but they didnt vote in the thread. Just like they never voted, to the accused.

Cross, his assertion that pretending to vote is a pet peeve of his is fine, but upon re-reading the thread in context, I get a scummy vibe. Doing things like explaining his mentality AFTER he voted and AFTER people called him out seems like he's trying to keep things from spiraling out of control.
Entering the thread with :
On October 31 2012 10:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Fail, obv scumslip.
##Vote: Crossfire99

Followed by never acknowledging what the "slip" was and simply pawning it off as a joke is scummy to me. Going to leave my vote on him for now.



Hmm, BH makes some good points about breaking rules for the sake of posting in a clear and understandable manner. I'd like to think I've done both with this post.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 17:04 GMT
#169
Do make an attempt to clear the poetry out btw. Even if it is fun, its bad for us to have to sift through posts that are difficult enough as it is to get a clear read from.

Fair warning, that "I didn't check my PM stunt" has put you under severe suspicions. Going to be scrutinizing you very strongly. Hope your posting shapes up in the meantime.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 17:42 GMT
#172
Keep in mind we're ALL supposed to be playing. Looking at the signup list, we're still missing gonzaw and djagulingu. Might want to keep an eye on them. Now, I'm not saying we should vote them, I just want to make sure people are aware of it so that they don't lurk all game.

On topic then, Chezinu, have you seen anything that you would call scummy so far? Party games aside, we're still playing mafia. Quote someone if it pleases you.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 17:54 GMT
#174
Varying degrees of scumreads do come from lurking, but you're right in that its still a null tell at this point. When they get here, I still expect a reasonable contribution to the thread. Xecution of the lurkers will be in order if they fail to produce, or even make an appearance.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 18:51 GMT
#183
That isn't the only reason my vote is on BKE. Under the circumstances, his vote should not still be on crossfire. Very suspicious that he claims "oc I was joking" but leaves his vote where it is. Which choice (between leaving the vote or unvoting) would be "going back on your word" to BKE?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 20:49 GMT
#200
Umm I can't fcking follow what gonzaw is doing. Why is that method of skirting the rules allowed? Vault this kid into detention please so that he's forced to stop dicking around and go the BH route, or play the game properly. Xtention of this would be to allow everyone (looking at you BH) to just throw in a random word that starts with the applicable letter.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 31 2012 20:50 GMT
#201
EBWOP: YAY I messed it up via copy/paste, I'm awesome and deserve a timeout.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 00:26 GMT
#217
Guess what, BKE? Have you verified you voted correctly? I dont think you have. Just when I thought you were being straight and true! Keep in mind, I wasn't the only one who thought what you did was scummy, I was just the one who put a vote behind my opinion of your posting. Looks like an OMGUS to me, and that's actually the only reason I see behind your vote. Maybe there's a little more you'd like to add?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 01:25 GMT
#220
On November 01 2012 08:52 BroodKingEXE wrote:
##Vote: Hopeless1der

u srs?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 01:44 GMT
#222
You're twisting words now. BKE. Zealotry towards misrepresentation of people's posts should be higher on your priority list. Account for where I said I believed you made a pressure vote if you would. By my accounts, I found your lack of commitment to your OP in the thread to be scummy, the fact that you quickly called it a joke but the 'it was a joke' claim came AFTER you'd JUST voted. Can you not see how that sends mixed messages? Does anyone else feel I'm twisting words and trying to create something from nothing?

Enter the OMGUS into the equation and I'm pretty dead set on my vote.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 01:45 GMT
#223
EBWOP: First sentence should have a , instead of a . between now and BKE. Gonna just kinda let that slide as a typo unless told otherwise and not take a timeout...
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 03:02 GMT
#225
Hey chezinu, why the ninja vote on Mementoss?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 03:09 GMT
#228
Just super then. Keep up the good work.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 03:11 GMT
#230
Lol, I'll take a timeout too I guess
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 03:23 GMT
#233
Mmm...if I dont take a timeout then the next post needs to start with "N"
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 18:54 GMT
#254
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 02 2012 02:13 Keirathi wrote:
@Mementoss: Not going to quote your post point by point, but I'll just give some comments.

Part 1)

I'm not spreading accusations subtly. When I'm asking a question to something like your unexplained change in opinion, or Chezinu calling for a mass blue claim, its because I find them scummy. The point is to get a response to judge if the response is genuine. Everyone occasionally says things that can be taken as scummy, even as town. The key isn't to jump on hte mistake, its to ask why the mistake happened and try to figure out if they're lying.

I never pushed more on the Chezinu thing because I don't think Chezinu is going to get lynched today for calling for a mass blue claim. Apparently "It's Chezinu, just ignore him" from other players is a good enough defense. Whatever.

About BKE: it doesn't give me an out if he flips red. I quite clearly said I don't think a minorly scummy thing is enough for ME to vote for him. If he flips red, I fulyl expect to get pressured for that. I take full responsibility for everything I say.

Part 2)

*EVERY* game you've played with me? So...just Liquid City and Aperture 2? Two games that were going on at the exact same time and I had vastly different playstyles and time commitments. Hell, the ONLY thing I did in LC on day 1 was yell at kush a bunch, and throw some weak arguments onto kingjames, then afk for 24+ hours.

Part 3)

I wouldn't say I'm necessarily active lurking. I've just only been commenting on things that I feel are worth commenting on. And, maybe its an "excuse" but TL was down for half of the day yesterday for me. So meh, whatever.

Starting from Keir's last post , my letter is T
There are now two votes in the voting thread that were not appropriately unvoted. Unless that was intentional, by which I mean scummy. Votes from BKE and Mementoss to be specific.

Why, BKE, are you voting me? X-amine my filter and demonstrate why I'm scummy, or get your shit together. You're definitely not scumhunting in the slightest, just CONTINUOUSLY defending yourself for what stemmed from literally your first post in the game. Zany OMGUS against me doesn't help either as I still think you're scum and would prefer you to do something helpful in the event that you are not.

As for MMT, my read is null, and my 2nd choice to vote right now would be Adam or Keir, not quite sure yet but it doesn't matter. BKE is still number 1, I've read the case against Keir and I agree overall that he looks scummy, but I feel more certain on BKE right now.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 19:31 GMT
#257
Hey, I already caught scum:
On November 01 2012 08:51 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Everyone, I think that he is trying to create something out of nothing. For goodness sake, this twisting of words must stop.
##Unvote
##Vote: Hopeless1der

On November 01 2012 10:24 BroodKingEXE wrote:
To Hopeless, TL.net went down again, so I wasn't to post in the voting thread.


I even replied right after you said you couldn't post in the voting thread, quoting the voting thread with your vote:+ Show Spoiler +
On November 01 2012 10:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 08:52 BroodKingEXE wrote:
##Vote: Hopeless1der

u srs?

, and thought it was pretty self-evident, but clearly I needed to spell things out.

Jerking the thread around isn't a good idea. Keeping things focused, like my scumread on you, is a good idea to me.



Look at BKE's filter and show me where he hunts scum
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 20:44 GMT
#260
So, the timestamps, all of which are in the post you quoted, are bullshit then?
TL's power outage occurred between 08:51-08:52 KST and your vote was "suspended" until power was restored? Ur post timing and your explanation just do not match up right now. Verifying the timing of the outage will need to wait until later because Twitter is blocked at work for me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 01 2012 22:32 GMT
#273
For tomorrow's minigame, I suggest "Race to lynch Crossfire!". Game involves voting ASAP and then afk'ing until the lynch. Have a great time guys, and remember, the points don't matter.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 02 2012 00:00 GMT
#296
Votecount?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 02 2012 00:48 GMT
#313
Keirathi saves the day!! Let's not forget gonzaw in timeout though, but I don't think he can influence the lynch. Maybe the minigame could, since thats hinted in the OP but otherwise, see you later BKE.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 02 2012 01:09 GMT
#325
On November 02 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:
lol he didn't claim...

Gonna go read his filter to see if he crumbed it or some shit but goddamnit that's upsetting.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 02 2012 01:14 GMT
#330
On November 02 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote:
crumb or no crumb he should have claimed anyways. well, no use crying over spilled noobs

It would make me feel a little better if there was some redeeming quality to his play. It's really depressing to think THAT was BKE playing as town.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 02 2012 13:17 GMT
#351
On November 02 2012 22:12 strongandbig wrote:
another topic for discussion tonight: what the fuck do we do with Chezinu? He totally ignored both the serious and silly questions in my post to him, I'm really not sure what to do to get him more involved in the game so we can actually maybe try to get a read on him

We should steal all his points, that'll teach him
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 03 2012 02:17 GMT
#385
Seeing the QT link was a little deflating, if you catch my drift
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 03 2012 02:25 GMT
#387
You're one to talk, with that Blazinghand of yours.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 03 2012 02:26 GMT
#388
This minigame is rather uplifting
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 03 2012 02:37 GMT
#390
On November 03 2012 11:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, since it's just the two of us, alone, in here, we should talk. With gonzaw dead I'm thinking about our options for the lynch today. I'm still liking my case on Adam a bit, but now that gonzaw, is, erm, gon, we can draw an associative tell with his voting pattern on Mementoss, PARTICULARY this post:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 09:58 gonzaw wrote:
##Unvote: Mementos
##Vote: Mementos


Whose sole purpose was to make sure Mementoss did not get lynched. I know I cut Mementoss some slack on his questionable Crossfire vote, but this new context brings me to believe he's scum.

##vote Mementoss

To be fair, that unvote/vote did literally nothing other than record his vote again, since he was the last voter.
For your case on adam, do you think he arranged to have gonzaw whacked by making a case after the lynch?

On November 02 2012 10:03 gonzaw wrote:
For fucks sake I hope he flips scum.

On November 02 2012 10:03 Adam4167 wrote:
He will not, but you will.

Adam really wanted to flip gonzaw (over).
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 00:35 GMT
#454
Not to worry, that stutter is pretty hot *wink wink*
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 00:36 GMT
#455
Mementoss is just being angry but wont hunt scum. For the sake of placating him, I'm going to attempt to assume Keirathi is scum and build a case. See you later.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 00:58 GMT
#460
On November 04 2012 09:53 Chezinu wrote:
Just so you guys know, I can paint with pretty colors..

Mementoss
Djagulingu Stutter695
Crossfire99
Hopeless1der
Adam4167
BroodKingEXE
gonzaw
Keirathi
Blazinghand
strongandbig
Chezinu

BH, Chezinu thinks you've got blueballs. I think you've shot you're load quite recently to be honest . But besides that, would you consider Strongandbig closer to Red or Blue, considering his eccentric spending habits?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 01:07 GMT
#464
It was your first stroke Chezinu, What do you mean you didn't Finish
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 01:39 GMT
#476
Yeah, the host, the 4th performer, the remaining 2 musicians and the 4th audience. They're just black because he ran out of colors. Or he's a racist. I dunno which one.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#478
First off, I thought I did this already. ##Vote Mementoss
But I also went through Keir's filter, and in the event that MMT flips town, the groundwork is already done on accusing Keirathi.
I pretty much put scum-colored glasses on while I read his filter, and I don't believe a good chunk of it because there are townier (and more likely) reasons to do the things that he did (mostly related to gonzaw). Its long, and it's spoilered in my next post.

For the record, I think keirathi is town, this was just an exercise for me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#479
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 29 2012 12:16 Keirathi wrote:
/in

Joined the game. First step to becumming scum

On October 31 2012 08:38 Keirathi wrote:
Ahmagerd, its the "Chezinu Special" posting restriction

Pretty much knows that Chezinu cannot be used+ Show Spoiler +
Oh my gawd
. First hand experience or word of mouth?
On October 31 2012 09:23 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 09:17 iGrok wrote:
Kill me . Lol i messed it up but im a host so who cares! Mistakes that happen mid-post mean that the next poster just continues on as if the post was correct

Ninjas suck, eh? Oh well. Probably a good rule.

Quick question: does "EBWOP:" count as the start of a sentence for post restriction purposes?

Other things suck too, if you know what I mean

On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians.

Totally killing the mood

On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Gosh, what have we here?
On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians.

How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything.

Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean.

Too hell and back, eh?

Filler post. Comments on the fact that there is no content

On October 31 2012 13:40 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 13:16 Adam4167 wrote:
EH, now that my hour long self imposed suspension is over for forgetting the letter H in my previous post.

Far back on page 6, Broodking, you said you hated people that go back on their word - who has done this and why did it need to be said?

Given my ample free time, I examined your 'meta' Broodking.

Having never used a pressure OR joke vote before in early D1.

I am curious as to why you have decided to pick this game to change your style.

Just at a quick glance, your first vote in your previous seven games has always come after the construction of a paragraph or longer case.

Now, the real question is: was he scum in any of those games? Obviously, if he wasn't, then maybe you have a leg to stand on, but if he was scum and did the same thing, then you're grasping at straws and changing his playstyle from his scum and town meta both is a 100% null tell.

I don't think he's grasping for straws...if you follow me.
Defense of townie BKE for the sake of defending him. Doesn't actually know his meta yet seems to think Adam is wrong.

On November 01 2012 00:14 Keirathi wrote:
Do you care to share why you think it would be a good idea to out our blues early in day 1, Chezinu?

Maybe his closet is full?
Questioning Chezinu is like barking up a fallen tree (if you know what I mean). Alone, not that incriminating, but when its the only tree in the park, it looks a little shifty
(By which I mean, keir only tried to interact with CHEZINU of all people. Not the most productive choice)

On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.

Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him.

Wait a sec, you've never played with Chezinu before? What about toyed around with?
Chezinu is anti-town, but not scummy. Doesn't pursue him either. BKE isn't worth voting for from his 'early' pressure.

On November 01 2012 04:21 Keirathi wrote:
"...all of our blues to claim" doesn't make me not blue. Because what did you expect me to say? "Certainly he wanted all of us blues to claim?" Don't be silly, I would never claim blue like that at this point in the game.

Either way, though, I am not blue

That leaves green, black or RED.

On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:
Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make.

Casting suspicion on Mementoss. Not scummy to me until Mementoss flips greenNot scum

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On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:
gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully.

On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.

breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation.


I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives?

Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either.

^^Knows gonzaw's town meta, doesn't really push gonzaw for lack of town meta

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On November 02 2012 07:36 Keirathi wrote:
Okay, its getting close to the deadline and we need to make a decision on who needs to be lynched today.

Current (unofficial) vote count:

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Mementoss (3) - Chezinu, Adam, BKE
BKE (2) - Hopeless, S&B
Keirathi (2) - gonzaw, Mementoss
Adam4167 (1) - Blazinghand

Not Voting: Keirathi, Djsingalong, Crossfire


I'll talk a bit about each of the candidates:

BKE
The more BKE posts about his joke vote and TL being down (which, even if the timing doesn't line up with twitter, doesn't really mean anything. I was getting 502's yesterday for 5 hours straight, and when I finally got TL to load again, there were posts that I had missed), and voting pet peeves, or whatever, the more suspicious of him I get. Because that's literally all that he has been talking about. His case and vote on Mementoss was pretty boggling and doesn't really make any sense. Why would he not unvote someone when he has a stronger scum read on someone else? Feels like BKE is just grasping at straws for a reason to move his vote onto someone that has more momentum (and actually put them in the lead to be lynched).

Right now, I'm leaning pretty heavily towards a BKE lynch.

Mementoss
I'm still a little hung up on Mementoss changing his opinion on whether its scummy to break character or not. I feel like it was a bit of "say/do whatever the thread thinks is good!" to buy himself some...well, not really town cred, but just doing whatever other townies are doing so that he doesn't stick out. However, two of the three votes on him are extremely weak (Adam's does at least have some reasonable explanations, even if there are some bad justifications thrown in too (the Djsingalong stuff)), and I'm pretty hesitant to pile on top of them. Chez's vote with no explanation whatsoever, and BKE with a terrible explanation. I'll keep watching Mementoss, but I don't think he should be lynched today.

Adam
I'm not conviced my Blazinghand's cherry picked meta case, but his point about only taking a single stance via the mementoss case was valid. I don't think Adam is our best choice of lynch today though. If he continues to stay disinterested and passive, then we can talk again.


Basically, the only person I would be willing to vote for aside from BKE at this point is gonzaw. BH pointed it out, but gonzaw tunneling one player all day without questioning/attacking/etc other people just isn't gonzaw's town meta. Reminds me a bit of Liar Game, honestly, where he spent so much time working on/sticking to the "plan", while tunneling Cephiro.

Take a look at his filters here for Liar Game and here for Aperture 2. Notice how much more time he spends in Aperture 2 being suspicious of EVERYONE until he gets a firm town read on them. That doesn't feel like what he's doing here.




@Chezinu/Djsingalong:

Where are you guys? Seriously this is pretty ridiculous.




Okay, I have an hour timeout now. Hopefully there will be some good discussion and consolidation before I get back.


^^The reluctancy to want to see Mementoss swing is more related to the company among the voters than the play of MMT himself.

On November 02 2012 09:46 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 02 2012 09:28 Mementoss wrote:
F keirathi made that huge discussion vote but still didn't commit to anyone, hes actually set to be modkilled/replaced at this point.

Give me a little credit. Had something come up right at the end of my time out, and I had to leave for a while longer. I'll consolidate onto BKE, because I believe that the case against him is stronger than the "case" against you. Just to be clear, though, that whole post was me committing to my reads.

##Vote: BroodKingExe

Keir did something very similar to what gonzaw did: Not voting while in Timeout, despite having articlulated clear intentions on who he would prefer to vote
On November 02 2012 10:12 Keirathi wrote:
lol @ gonzaw

What did you expect me to do? I said 3 hours ago that I was going to vote for BKE unless people would consolidate onto you. Yea, my vote was at the end of the day, but its not like I didn't say I wasn't going to consolidate if I needed to. The only other option was to just not vote and get modkilled; is that what you wanted? I don't understand the faux anger.




Spoilered quote below is the "3 hours ago" post.
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On November 02 2012 07:36 Keirathi wrote:
Okay, its getting close to the deadline and we need to make a decision on who needs to be lynched today.

Current (unofficial) vote count:

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Mementoss (3) - Chezinu, Adam, BKE
BKE (2) - Hopeless, S&B
Keirathi (2) - gonzaw, Mementoss
Adam4167 (1) - Blazinghand

Not Voting: Keirathi, Djsingalong, Crossfire


I'll talk a bit about each of the candidates:

BKE
The more BKE posts about his joke vote and TL being down (which, even if the timing doesn't line up with twitter, doesn't really mean anything. I was getting 502's yesterday for 5 hours straight, and when I finally got TL to load again, there were posts that I had missed), and voting pet peeves, or whatever, the more suspicious of him I get. Because that's literally all that he has been talking about. His case and vote on Mementoss was pretty boggling and doesn't really make any sense. Why would he not unvote someone when he has a stronger scum read on someone else? Feels like BKE is just grasping at straws for a reason to move his vote onto someone that has more momentum (and actually put them in the lead to be lynched).

Right now, I'm leaning pretty heavily towards a BKE lynch.

Mementoss
I'm still a little hung up on Mementoss changing his opinion on whether its scummy to break character or not. I feel like it was a bit of "say/do whatever the thread thinks is good!" to buy himself some...well, not really town cred, but just doing whatever other townies are doing so that he doesn't stick out. However, two of the three votes on him are extremely weak (Adam's does at least have some reasonable explanations, even if there are some bad justifications thrown in too (the Djsingalong stuff)), and I'm pretty hesitant to pile on top of them. Chez's vote with no explanation whatsoever, and BKE with a terrible explanation. I'll keep watching Mementoss, but I don't think he should be lynched today.

Adam
I'm not conviced my Blazinghand's cherry picked meta case, but his point about only taking a single stance via the mementoss case was valid. I don't think Adam is our best choice of lynch today though. If he continues to stay disinterested and passive, then we can talk again.


Basically, the only person I would be willing to vote for aside from BKE at this point is gonzaw. BH pointed it out, but gonzaw tunneling one player all day without questioning/attacking/etc other people just isn't gonzaw's town meta. Reminds me a bit of Liar Game, honestly, where he spent so much time working on/sticking to the "plan", while tunneling Cephiro.

Take a look at his filters here for Liar Game and here for Aperture 2. Notice how much more time he spends in Aperture 2 being suspicious of EVERYONE until he gets a firm town read on them. That doesn't feel like what he's doing here.




@Chezinu/Djsingalong:

Where are you guys? Seriously this is pretty ridiculous.




Okay, I have an hour timeout now. Hopefully there will be some good discussion and consolidation before I get back.


The red is what I'm referring to. That's a pretty weak attempt to get gonzaw's lynch moving.

On November 02 2012 10:24 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 02 2012 10:16 Adam4167 wrote:
On November 02 2012 10:12 Keirathi wrote:
lol @ gonzaw

What did you expect me to do? I said 3 hours ago that I was going to vote for BKE unless people would consolidate onto you. Yea, my vote was at the end of the day, but its not like I didn't say I wasn't going to consolidate if I needed to. The only other option was to just not vote and get modkilled; is that what you wanted? I don't understand the faux anger.


You did exactly what he expected you to do, you came in, followed your read on BKE, giving him the opportunity to throw away his vote on Mementoss, without risk of having his teammate killed.


That might actually be a reasonably explanation. If he wasn't restricted from voting during his timeout, why didn't he vote Mementoss earlier when it would have actually ensured Mementoss's lynch? He only waited until after I had already voted.

Hmm...

Why did YOU wait Keirathi?!

On November 03 2012 00:23 Keirathi wrote:
##GivePoints: Strongandbig

I mean, its not like the points matter anyways, right!?

Wouldn't you like to know .
Then again, DOES he know? A ploy for towncred by making this public?

On November 03 2012 02:19 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 03 2012 01:53 Blazinghand wrote:
if i give you my points can you use them to kill Adam

Maybe you could lay out why you think he's scum in a well laid out case post? I'm just not seeing it, reading through his filter.

Oohh yeah, BlazingHand, scumhunt the wrong player and derail the tread. I like that.

On November 03 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote:
Okay, I gave S&B 500 points.

I can't do anything with them, and I think S&B is probably town. Or at least, nothing he has said this game has made me think otherwise.

He's town, until I feel I can push a mislynch on him. And I'm feeling him right now. He earned those points

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On November 03 2012 04:15 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 03 2012 04:09 gonzaw wrote:
On November 02 2012 10:12 Keirathi wrote:
lol @ gonzaw

What did you expect me to do? I said 3 hours ago that I was going to vote for BKE unless people would consolidate onto you. Yea, my vote was at the end of the day, but its not like I didn't say I wasn't going to consolidate if I needed to. The only other option was to just not vote and get modkilled; is that what you wanted? I don't understand the faux anger.


How about not coming with a "ninja-vote" right before the deadline and vote before that?
When I was skimming the thread I was too busy trying to figure out the Mementos/BKE issue so I didn't pay much attention to it, but I kind of thought you were getting modkilled/replaced like that Djingu guy.

Why didn't you vote BKE when you made that huge post saying you wanted to lynch BKE for instance? Why did you wait until the last second to vote?

Because I wanted to see if there was any support for lynching you instead.

You still haven't responded to BH's case (or my addition points), btw.

Why did you spent so much time tunneling day 1, when your townie meta is to be suspicious of EVERYONE while gradually making town reads?

Also, I suggest you read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&user=265522

Hell, you should probably read Aperture again too, and compare it to Liquid City which was running at the EXACT SAME TIME. Aperture was an anomaly in my play style, not the norm.


Super Bus!!+ Show Spoiler +
For banging and stuff


On November 03 2012 06:21 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 03 2012 04:53 gonzaw wrote:
I also clearly am not "tunneling" you if you read my posts correctly. Saying that is a lie, I never tunnel anybody as town(i may be biased though, but I seriously don't think I've tunneled people for the sake of it, unless they were scum), just find them scummy as fuck and want peoples opinions on said player to make up my mind, and post my thoughts on said player and vote the player most likely to flip scum.

Maybe tunneling is a bit strong of a word. But, the only person you questioned/accused for 90% of the day was me. Looking back through Not Themed, and Aperture, you were suspicious of everyone and questioning them constantly. You did finally settle on town reads on people and left them alone, but you didn't focus 90% of your attention onto one person at any point of day 1 in those games.

Look in the mirror on this one. gonzaw and Keir have got a little something going on this game
On November 03 2012 14:27 Keirathi wrote:
Finally, a game that I can really dig in to, if you know what I mean.

Also, huge night plays, if you know what I'm saying.

I'd be pretty down with a Mementoss lynch today. The situation around the deadline was pretty fishy, if you know what I mean.

Keir was part of the reason the deadline business was fishy
On November 04 2012 06:41 Keirathi wrote:
So Mementoss, you said that you still think I am scum. For the same reasons as your day 1 case?

What about the fact that gonzaw was pressuring me all day? Or that, in turn, I wanted to get him lynched? Or that I was willing to hammer BKE, when I could have just voted gonzaw and not cared about which of you two died?

There are a lot of things that happened since you made that case, and you literally haven't commented on any of them.

Anyone else you find scummy besides me?

Its like he's never seen anyone take a ride on (or under) a bus before
On November 04 2012 09:30 Keirathi wrote:
Stutters:

Care to comment on anything? Between you and your predecessor, you have a total of 4 posts in 96 hours of game time.

Lurkers. The easiest way to fake activity (by attacking them....+ Show Spoiler +
You sick bastard
)

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 01:47 GMT
#481
On November 04 2012 10:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Trying to look active there Hopeless?

Assuming Mementoss flips scum, which he will, you're my choice for the 3rd scum.

That's fine, we'll get to that later. Let me know what you'd like to question me about in the meantime, if you're so inclined. I've got all the answers you're looking for.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 01:59 GMT
#484
On November 04 2012 10:57 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 04 2012 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 04 2012 10:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Trying to look active there Hopeless?

Assuming Mementoss flips scum, which he will, you're my choice for the 3rd scum.

That's fine, we'll get to that later. Let me know what you'd like to question me about in the meantime, if you're so inclined. I've got all the answers you're looking for.

So, you ostensibly think that I am town, but you came up with a huge list of reasons why I could be scum to set up my lynch if Mementoss flips town? :o

Yes. However, I wouldn't act on them tomorrow unless you did nothing to help town. Being apathetic today doesn't count because we're all looking a little limp, if you know what I'm saying.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 02:39 GMT
#487
On November 04 2012 11:28 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 04 2012 10:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 04 2012 10:57 Keirathi wrote:
On November 04 2012 10:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 04 2012 10:45 Adam4167 wrote:
Trying to look active there Hopeless?

Assuming Mementoss flips scum, which he will, you're my choice for the 3rd scum.

That's fine, we'll get to that later. Let me know what you'd like to question me about in the meantime, if you're so inclined. I've got all the answers you're looking for.

So, you ostensibly think that I am town, but you came up with a huge list of reasons why I could be scum to set up my lynch if Mementoss flips town? :o

Yes. However, I wouldn't act on them tomorrow unless you did nothing to help town. Being apathetic today doesn't count because we're all looking a little limp, if you know what I'm saying.

I...uh...okay?

Do I need to explain why that's scummy as hell?

Nothing MMToss has done today makes me think that he is town, but you just moved way up my possible scum list.

That's why I've voted him. I explicitly tried to tunnel you, and I do not agree with my own findings. I've ruled out 3 other players already as potential scum, which may have been wrong, but I am very very confident in those reads. Unfortunately you're not one of them.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 18:39 GMT
#549
On November 05 2012 03:18 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't get how there was every any doubt that Mementoss = scum and Hopeless = town

Sometimes people just want to see a 'good performance'

@SnB - I was actually attacking Crossfire because I thought he was BKE's scumbuddy at that point.
When you say MMT has claimed scum, you mean the way he's given up and is just spamming in-your-endo's?


I almost 100% agree with Chezinu's painting, its very lifelike.
On November 04 2012 09:53 Chezinu wrote:
Just so you guys know, I can paint with pretty colors..

Mementoss
Djagulingu Stutter695
Crossfire99
Hopeless1der
Adam4167
BroodKingEXE
gonzaw
Keirathi
Blazinghand
strongandbig
Chezinu

We presumably know the number of scum = 3

3 Scum (1 confirmed)
4 Performers (1 confirmed)
3 Audience
1 Host
=11 Players Total
Potential for 4 Audience/No Host based on setup speculation
That means its currently 7v2 or 6v2v1.

Chezinu thinks he's got all the audience. I'm not convinced on Crossfire in that list but I am confident that MMT is either Black or Red. gonzaw's shenanigans makes him being red far more likely.
Then again, what to make of this:
On November 04 2012 07:25 Mementoss wrote:
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On November 04 2012 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm saying you should hunt scum.


Blazinghand

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[image loading]


If you know what I mean

On November 05 2012 00:05 Mementoss wrote:
Lets just say I have some experience blowing Drew Carrey's horns, If you know what I mean

MMT, don't pull a BKE if you don't have to. Open up a little more. I promise it won't hurt, much.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 18:59 GMT
#557
A horn is a type of instrument MMT...seriously, you WANT to die?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 04 2012 23:52 GMT
#589
On November 05 2012 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:
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On November 05 2012 07:56 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, so you think that my interaction with Mementoss in my case against him was weird? He brushed off my earlier comment so I laid down explicitly why he was wrong. Also, if you are saying I'm scum, why would I essentially out my one scum buddy, gonzaw, with my vote on my other scum buddy, Mementoss? That vote forced gonzaw to not vote for mementoss before someone hammered brood. That basically outed gonzaw and got him killed last night. If I was scum, I could have voted brood, thus saving gonzaw from acting crazy at the deadline and keeping him alive last night.


The final scum was voting BKE yesterday and this paragraph is exactly why. Any one of us on Mementoss could have switched off and prevented two scum from outing themselves, if scum.

About those that were voting BKE yesterday:
Its not Blazinghand, as he gave Gonzaw a lead lobotomy last night. Nor is it S&B, as he absorbed the night shot.

Leaving either Hopeless or Keirathi.

Keirathi was Gonzaw and Mementoss main mislynch target, I am confident that this wasn't some kind of double bus.

Leaving Hopeless by the process of elimination.


And what about our non-voting replacement? Well there's a chance its him, but Mementoss did try and swing attention onto his predecessor, plus right after he replaced in, he made a comment about gonzaw being a better target then myself. I'm willing to kill hopeless first over him .

If I die before Adam, and he doesn't swiftly follow me to the afterlife, I'll be gravely disappointed. If you know what I mean.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 05 2012 00:35 GMT
#596
Adam, I don't feel the need to convince you. I'm going to be stupidly difficult to lynch, especially today. You're "process" of elimination wouldn't have been that scummy, but it is significantly flawed. You're taking things at face value that should not be so easily accepted for someone with your information. The manner in which you reason things out suggests scum motive to me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 05 2012 00:44 GMT
#598
I'm implying that he really shouldn't, and his process of elimination relies on unconfirmed information.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 05 2012 00:44 GMT
#599
EBWOP: Unless he's scum, then yeah, he has special info.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 05 2012 03:17 GMT
#613
I like these QT's
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 05 2012 03:38 GMT
#615
Game's over Keir. Now you're just being creepy
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 05 2012 16:28 GMT
#618
So SNB, any big plans for this evening?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 05 2012 16:33 GMT
#620
On November 05 2012 11:16 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 05 2012 11:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 05 2012 09:46 Adam4167 wrote:
On November 05 2012 09:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Adam, I don't feel the need to convince you. I'm going to be stupidly difficult to lynch, especially today. You're "process" of elimination wouldn't have been that scummy, but it is significantly flawed. You're taking things at face value that should not be so easily accepted for someone with your information. The manner in which you reason things out suggests scum motive to me.


I am not trying to get you lynched today, its Mementoss turn to dance the hempen jig.

Your turn is tomorrow, but I may as well make my thoughts known today, as its a slow news day and someone will most probably die tonight.


Hopeless is not scum and you are literally 100% wrong if you think he's scum, or want to waste a lynch on him. Anyone who disagrees with me on this will be shot tonight.

That is so much bullshit. There is no way Hopeless is 100% town. I don't think he is the best lynch tomorrow, and certainly not today, but if it was LYLO then I would 100% consider voting him. Don't be ridiculous.

But, since you're so sure, who is your current choice for third scum after MMToss flips?

Should I shoot Keir or Adam?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 05 2012 16:34 GMT
#621
P.S. The WIFOM is going to be really intense today
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 06 2012 00:11 GMT
#631
I didnt send SnB points
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 06 2012 01:08 GMT
#646
I feel like the deadline has passed =\
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 06 2012 01:10 GMT
#649
NP, i was going to claim first thing after the flip anyways
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 06 2012 01:16 GMT
#654
WHERS MAH DAYPOST
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 06 2012 01:34 GMT
#662
gooby plz?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 06 2012 01:54 GMT
#664
The World's Worst Racecar Driver: Ricky Bobby during his 'I can't walk' episode.
Welp I shot Adam. BH presumably shot Chez as he claimed. Rolecall leaves:
1Crossfire
2Stutters
3BlazingHand
4Hopeless1der
5StrongandBig
6Keirathi
Math says its 1 scum remaining.
The World's Worst Mathematician?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 06 2012 02:06 GMT
#668
Worst Paramedic: King Midas
Need people to claim number of points spent/given to who each night.
Stutters, Keir, Cross, you need to claim before BH, SnB and me so we can try to confirm it.
Worlds worst Comedian?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 06 2012 04:05 GMT
#682
Worst Bus Driver: Ms Frizzle

So far, only Crossfire has not claimed where his points went. We'll be able to figure it out anyways.


Keirathi's points are all accounted for according to his claims.
Stutters seems like he still has 500 remaining if I can do math correctly.
Cross' point total is unknown.Claims to have sent 1k each night to SnB. All points accounted for.

Night 1
I spent 500 on Vet and sent 250 to BH so he could Vig (gonzaw)

Night 2 I vig'd Adam. -1250
All my points are accounted for.


BH & SnB can you figure out who gave what points and see if anyone has any points left right now/if anyone is lying?

BH, SnB and I will have to vote for 1 person to get them lynched. In this way, scum CANNOT gain points from today's lynch, aside from the minigame itself.

Keir - Vote for me
Stutters - Vote for BH
Crossfire - Vote for SnB
(Picked at random, but who the hell cares?)
In this way, none of the Blue's die to the lynch as long as the three of us vote together.


SnB, did you get shot again last night? BH, did you get shot last night?

Based on my point tally, I would pick stutters to lynch simply because he's withheld points.
See you when I wake up.
World's Worst Beer?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 07 2012 00:47 GMT
#693
Worst Pencil Sharpener: A wood chipper
Where the hell is Strongandbig?
SnB, please claim your performer when you return.

World's worst potato chip?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 07 2012 01:11 GMT
#696
On November 07 2012 09:53 Blazinghand wrote:
World's Worst Potato Chip: Intel

Why claim performers? WE know there's exactly 3 blues alive, that should be enough. By not claiming performers, we deny scum the ability to know who they are counterclaiming if he claims blue.

World's worst beverage?

Very Easy AI / Liquid Nitrogen

Well, since I'm typing this here, I assume you're masoned to him. Confirm everything checks out with him based on what you know to be true. If that doesn't make sense to you, we don't have the same info between the two of us, and he needs to claim in thread. I want to make sure there are no shenanigans between the performers going on.

World's worst type of flooring surface?

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 07 2012 02:43 GMT
#701
Quarter's

Im gonna do some maths and come back in a bit. I think we're at the point where we're going to be random lynching an unknown. Does anyone disagree with my "unknowns" vote a different performer to control the lynch? I'll need to confirm all the points are 'accounted' for, but it seems like there is nothing for scum to gain from another player's lynch today, aside from 1 less townie.

World's worst occupation?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 07 2012 17:35 GMT
#728
Dog-Sled.

I shared a lot of your suspicions Cross, however BH says he's verified strong's claim and that we're all named appropriately. Despite this, you still are going after a supposed blue, and you must know there is no way we're lynching him before you, so I kind of have to conclude you're town, or insane. Based on that, and the lack of a filter to really speak of, I would prefer to lynch Stutters today. BH has already run his Day-DT check on Keir, and we'll find out at deadline what his alignment is.

##Vote: Stutters695

World's Worst Airline?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 07 2012 18:51 GMT
#733
The Governator

Is there anything left to discuss? Stutters is our lynch, yes? Am I overlooking anything based on what we know today?
(Presumably, save all modkill discussion for AFTER the game)

World's Worst Sport?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 07 2012 23:17 GMT
#746
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World's Worst Predator?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 08 2012 02:33 GMT
#768
I'm confused. What did involve do?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 08 2012 02:37 GMT
#771
On November 08 2012 11:34 Blazinghand wrote:
It didn't do anything, because N3 uses dollars rather than cash-- so I didn't get a check back on Keirathi's alignment. it *did* waste some of my money though. How much do you have?

I'll need to get back to you. Can we hear who SnB claimed?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 08 2012 04:50 GMT
#784
Afraid not. You want full disclosure?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 08 2012 12:10 GMT
#787
On November 08 2012 16:36 Blazinghand wrote:

If it turns out there's not enough points, we do this instead:

Hopeless: Vet
Me: Vet and RB Keirathi
S&B: shoot keirathi

And if Keirathi survives the night somehow we just lynch him tomorrow.

This one. I need 1050 to have both.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 08 2012 20:32 GMT
#789
I'm here. Not much to do though.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 08 2012 20:48 GMT
#792
I use the subscribed threads option. Helps me lurk better so the viewcount doesn't get inflated
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 01:28 GMT
#797
Awaiting mod confirmation of point transfer.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 01:28 GMT
#798
EBWOP: I mean for SnB's 1050 btw
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 01:38 GMT
#800
I CAN DO MATH TOO!!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 01:46 GMT
#806
I can't yet
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 01:51 GMT
#809
But...I can do math.

Also, conditional voting is almost never allowed, why would conditional night actions\point transfers? If I don't get allowed a grace period upon mod return, I'll be sad.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 01:55 GMT
#814
It's fine to say it, but its not fine to assume I'll get them and potentially waste points that will ultimately lose the game.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 01:56 GMT
#815
Like I said, I can do math.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 02:00 GMT
#819
I'm sorry I'm making you angry BH. Keir is still right, I need to make sure I can cover my bases if the game isn't over.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 02:01 GMT
#821
But The Points DO Matter!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 02:09 GMT
#826
Hey, maybe I was lied to in my PM and BH is really the scum!!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 02:11 GMT
#829
My PM says I'm good at my job and I'm best looking. What is this madness?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 02:27 GMT
#842
My money's on yes, they can.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 02:55 GMT
#845
dat F5
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 03:02 GMT
#848
You Serious!!?? obs qt plox (if exists)
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 17:47 GMT
#893
For the record, I had the following post waiting for the daypost:


##Vote Strongandbig
##Steal 500 Points: Strongandbig
##Steal Vote: Strongandbig
##Vote(Strongandbig): Strongandbig

Previewed in game thread


##Vote Strongandbig
##Vote (Strongandbig): Strongandbig

Previewed in Vote Thread


They were contingent on me receiving the points from SnB though.
iGrok essentially gave me a couple minutes to collect my thoughts.
He answered some questions regarding day powers (and forgot to send the points) and I replied

"OK, thanks, I'm good"

intending to carry out my above posts.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 17:49 GMT
#896
On November 10 2012 02:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Well at least I got gonzaw.

S&B you really had me fooled up until you made this post in our mason QT:
Show nested quote +
i guess we should game out the possibilities. You mentioned something in-thread about godfathers and framers - do you have any idea how ##involving works if there's a godfather?


As soon as you made that post I decided to shoot you in the coming night. That post can only come from a scum mindset. It's too bad you had vet status or were NK-immune or whatever it'd have been awesome to kill two scum. If only I also had enough points to RB you last night in addition to shooting you! Still, even with the slip you played well enough that you probably won if you could steal me and Keirathi's votes today (or even one vote, really). Good work.

BKEXE I'd have really liked to see a blue claim from you. I REALLY would like to know why you didn't claim.

Overall, I had lots of fun, good game everyone. Thanks to iGrok for hosting!


SnB, did you have enough points to votesteal after taking me out? I think town should have won the game if you didnt.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 17:50 GMT
#897
Night-Only Powers
Veteran 500
Roleblock 250
KP 1250
Mason 500
Mirror 500
DT Check 1000
Track 500
3 Random Night Powers 1000

Day-Only Powers
##Steal 500 Points 500
##Steal Vote 1000
##Buzzer* 750
##Earn Double Points 250
##Involve Audience* 500
3 Random Day Powers 1000

*Buzzer will hit the Buzzer on any Buzzer-based Games
*Involve the Audience is used ##Involve NAME, if that person is an audience member, you will receive double points for that game.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 17:51 GMT
#899
I don't think he did if he had to doublestack me. Its why I kept going on and on about "I did the math" bullshit.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 17:52 GMT
#900
Its also why I kept insisting I wouldn't send in the hit if I didn't get the points, because if I got stacked, the points were not there to send to me..
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 18:02 GMT
#905
mod actions aside, do you really think you could convince BH to switch? I don't, and as a result I think town would have successfully lynched you to win the game.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 18:03 GMT
#907
day powers were 1-shot per day per power.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 18:08 GMT
#918
PM's with iGrok regarding whether I would have shot Keir or held the points:

+ Show Spoiler +
Yes. I was going to try to steal points and the vote from SnB and doublevote him if I was alive.

I had the post written and waiting for the daypost.

Original Message From iGrok:
So you thought S&b was scum and keir was town?

Show nested quote +
Original Message From Hopeless1der:
No, I would not have shot Keir if I had the points.
I did the math and my conclusion was one of the following:

1) SnB would have either Double Stacked me (which i assume has happened)
Or
2) 4 alive, and he would try to steal votes and double vote to lynch me or BH then NK Keir for the win.

Original Message From iGrok:
I need to ask you a question, and you need to be completely honest with me. if you had been able to, would you have shot Keirathi last night?

Original Message From Hopeless1der:
Thank you. I'm good.

Original Message From iGrok:
1 power per type per day
activated when you ## in thread
you get how ever many they have if they have less than 500

Original Message From Hopeless1der:
Regarding Day Powers:

Must be declared in thread?
Activated immediately?

If I ##Steal 500 points: [player], what happens if that player does not have any points?
- Less than 500 points?
Can ##Steal be used multiple times?



Original Message From iGrok:
Welcome to Whose Line Is It Anyway, where everything's made up and the points DO matter! Thats right, as performers you know the true secret of the show - the points are actually tradeable 1-for-1 with Liquibucks! Feel free to spend your points however you'd like. You can purchase any of the powers below, or you can give your points to someone else!

Night-Only Powers
Veteran 500
Roleblock 250
KP 1250
Mason 500
Mirror 500
DT Check 1000
Track 500
3 Random Night Powers 1000

Day-Only Powers
##Steal 500 Points 500
##Steal Vote 1000
##Buzzer* 750
##Earn Double Points 250
##Involve Audience* 500
3 Random Day Powers 1000

*Buzzer will hit the Buzzer on any Buzzer-based Games
*Involve the Audience is used ##Involve NAME, if that person is an audience member, you will receive double points for that game.

Feel free to ask any questions and buy powers at any time.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 18:09 GMT
#920
On November 10 2012 03:06 strongandbig wrote:

I also think that part of the reason everyone was all of a sudden so sure I was scum (despite me being basically "confirmed town" up until then) was that the point-give didn't actually go through.

I completely disagree with this point. BH and Keir were 100% committed to killing you before the Night ended.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 18:25 GMT
#935
On November 10 2012 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
Well okay whatever. This game was ridiculous, maybe I should have just quit after no night actions N1.

I made it to a point where even despite no night actions N1, I could have won the game if a number of different things hadn't happened. I'm confident that I could have pushed back sufficiently against crossfire's case, and if he hadn't been modkilled I wouldn't have flipped out and slipped in my mason QT with BH. Even though I did that, if we'd gotten 1000 points on day 3 instead of 100 I could have vote-stolen today and won. And how the actual final day plays out is only speculation.

So yeah, despite being massively behind, I managed to get into a position where a win was not only possible but the most probable outcome.

I'm still declaring this a win so screw all y'all

Yeah I just realized all this. Mod actions played a way bigger part than I initially thought.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 18:34 GMT
#948
On November 10 2012 03:30 strongandbig wrote:
mementoss was in a way better position day 1 than gonzaw because the case on gonzaw was true whereas the case on mementoss was pretty nonsensical. If we hadn't decided to keep our KP at all costs I might have tried to get gonzaw lynched. I've always wanted to try bussing a teammate day1.


This should have been completely worth it.

Still, this game was really fun and I'd like to see it re-hosted in the future, preferably when TL doesn't suffer the wrath of a hurricane.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 19:54 GMT
#989
On November 10 2012 04:48 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 10 2012 04:40 Crossfire99 wrote:
On November 10 2012 04:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 10 2012 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:
On November 10 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:
I was planning to shoot S&B probably 5-6 hours before the Stutters flip. He made a post in our Mason QT that basically revealed him to be scum. I ##involved you hoping to gain enough points to shoot and roleblock S&B, but this night used $ instead of points so I had to ask S&B for the points to shoot him with. Everything I said over the course of the night was basically lying to try to get S&B to drop his guard and not vet himself that night.

Sorry, you never really convinced me-- you weren't particularly scummy, but you were the "unconfirmed town". S&B was playing a little bit scummily though, and basically he made a mistake in the QT. If it weren't for that, I may not have shot him.

Was my case on S&B not convincing enough?


I erm, probably didn't read it. I usually don't read other people's cases in depth a whole lot unless they're on me or I think there's something to use against them in it. I skimmed it I guess. S&B basically made two mistakes this game:

1) a bunch of night actions with no results, a classic fake-claim tell
2) claiming scum to me in the mason QT

How do you get by if you don't read peoples cases? lol


I made a stealthy edit. Basically I'm magic, but by the time you were flipped I already knew I was shooting S&B. Case or no case. I mean, I can't really trust other players since they're scum.

Yeah, but reading other peoples cases can prove to you that they're scum or town. Like I was 100% convinced that Adam was town (he and I might as well have been telepathically linked) because we had the same thoughts on mementoss and gonzaw.

Edit: Lol. you and your stealthy edits strike again.

P.S. I loved you claiming the gonzaw shot. Don't know if you intended with this post but it was what confirmed to me that you did it.
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Also yeah whoever vigged gonzaw is a suave sexy guy. Probably really smart and handsome


That HAD to have been intentional. Too bad I was the best looking performer
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-09 20:22:24
November 09 2012 20:21 GMT
#999
Yes, I got those points from Keir. No wait, I got $100.
Out of curiosity, what were you planning Cross?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 20:30 GMT
#1002
trololol. iGrok had a hard enough time modding this game. I can see why he vetoed that particular plan
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 09 2012 23:20 GMT
#1025
On November 10 2012 08:15 Adam4167 wrote:
I do analyze my own play, every game, and i'm the harshest judge.

A majority of the town knew I was town.

Unfortunately the two who seemed to question it were the two confirmed blues, ultimately leading to my death. I cant control what everyone else does, but at least I can try to offer advice so it doesn't happen in the future.

I hope to learn from it, as it clearly was the wrong move. I should have done a lot of things differently, especially concerning the claiming business. I play a very lazy game that I hope I can change because my reads were so lackluster I ended up relying on my blue powers instead of playing Mafia properly.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 10 2012 04:55 GMT
#1048
On November 10 2012 13:48 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 10:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 10 2012 10:31 Keirathi wrote:
On November 10 2012 10:29 Blazinghand wrote:
I personally had a blast this game but that's just me I guess

You are an anomaly.


I got to shoot like 3 dudes it was awesome


We got to shoot like 3 dudes as we.....


...oh


Oh wait, no, we didn't get to shoot 3 dudes that's right.

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