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On November 10 2012 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes, I got those points from Keir. No wait, I got $100.
Out of curiosity, what were you planning Cross?
So, around Night 2 I wanted to be able to prove that I sent points to strong so I sent him 10 groups of 99 points and 1 group of 9.99999999999 points (because my name is Crossfire99). As I was thinking about this and knowing that scum had to have had extra points from gonzaw and mementoss, I wanted to have everyone publicly give all their points in the thread in varying amounts of groups. For example, I would get Keirathi to give all his points in 14 point groups, Stutters to give all his points in 19 point groups, etc.
This would prove that scum had extra points. Maybe scum could have spent their points before doing this, but it would have taken time to do, so they would have likely messed up how many points they should have had. Or it would prove that scum had less points than they should have because they spent them all.
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trololol. iGrok had a hard enough time modding this game. I can see why he vetoed that particular plan
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On November 10 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
trololol. iGrok had a hard enough time modding this game. I can see why he vetoed that particular plan
Yeah, I pretty much knew he was going to veto it, but I had to ask lol.
I also had to ask this
I doubt you'll answer this, but what the heck I'll go for it. Would scum get a safe claim blue name if they asked for it? I guess this assumes that they'll know there's only 3 blues, so i don't know. Whatever I'm crazy, but please respond. lol
He told me to stop setup-fishing. Lol.
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Mine was a bit simpler, but I only thought about it after the stutters lynch.
I wanted BH/Hopeless to pressure S&B into making him ##Give all Points: BH. Obviously he wouldn't have been able to refuse to do it, because that would have been suspicious as hell. But, he claimed exactly how many points he should have had (2600). If had any more or less than that, then he was lying, which gives a seed of doubt about him. When he sent them, I would have suggested that BH/Hopeless vig both of us.
It fell apart and I never suggested it, though, because iGrok confirmed that you use up your points as soon as you PM him an action, rather than actions/point withdrawals happening at the end of the night cycle (which was how I assumed it work, since that would leave room for changing your mind).
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On November 10 2012 03:56 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 03:49 strongandbig wrote:On November 10 2012 03:48 iGrok wrote:On November 10 2012 03:45 strongandbig wrote:
Here's another interesting thing - iGrok put the Wayne Brady PM in the scum QT, but then when we were talking about it he came in and said "I feel obligated to point out that it says "fakeclaims", not "safeclaims"."
>.< I like screwing with you :p not sure if you wanna be saying that after this game :p I'll say whatever the hell I want. I made a couple mistakes this game and because of that, it was not up to my standards. I stand by every mod decision and the setup was well balanced. Half the setup didn't even come into play because of various RNGs and Colin, Ryan, and Greg not hitting their point thresholds. However, this is the second time a game I've run has screwed up because of me. Which really pisses me off. I think I'll take some time off from mafia again.
Okay I really don't care about the mistakes, but why wouldn't you accept night actions in the scum QT?
A different issue is why you wouldn't tell us beforehand that our night actions in the scum QT were invalid. I think that, and also making no exception for teamliquid being down, are just inexcusable bad decisions. But in general what is the reasoning for this rule? Like I said in the scumQT, this is the fourth time I've been scum and the first time I've encountered that rule.
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On November 10 2012 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes, I got those points from Keir. No wait, I got $100.
Out of curiosity, what were you planning Cross? So, around Night 2 I wanted to be able to prove that I sent points to strong so I sent him 10 groups of 99 points and 1 group of 9.99999999999 points (because my name is Crossfire99). As I was thinking about this and knowing that scum had to have had extra points from gonzaw and mementoss, I wanted to have everyone publicly give all their points in the thread in varying amounts of groups. For example, I would get Keirathi to give all his points in 14 point groups, Stutters to give all his points in 19 point groups, etc. This would prove that scum had extra points. Maybe scum could have spent their points before doing this, but it would have taken time to do, so they would have likely messed up how many points they should have had. Or it would prove that scum had less points than they should have because they spent them all.
Wait how would that work?
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On November 10 2012 05:47 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes, I got those points from Keir. No wait, I got $100.
Out of curiosity, what were you planning Cross? So, around Night 2 I wanted to be able to prove that I sent points to strong so I sent him 10 groups of 99 points and 1 group of 9.99999999999 points (because my name is Crossfire99). As I was thinking about this and knowing that scum had to have had extra points from gonzaw and mementoss, I wanted to have everyone publicly give all their points in the thread in varying amounts of groups. For example, I would get Keirathi to give all his points in 14 point groups, Stutters to give all his points in 19 point groups, etc. This would prove that scum had extra points. Maybe scum could have spent their points before doing this, but it would have taken time to do, so they would have likely messed up how many points they should have had. Or it would prove that scum had less points than they should have because they spent them all. Wait how would that work?
yeah couldn't scum just... you know... not give their extra points?
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On November 10 2012 05:47 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes, I got those points from Keir. No wait, I got $100.
Out of curiosity, what were you planning Cross? So, around Night 2 I wanted to be able to prove that I sent points to strong so I sent him 10 groups of 99 points and 1 group of 9.99999999999 points (because my name is Crossfire99). As I was thinking about this and knowing that scum had to have had extra points from gonzaw and mementoss, I wanted to have everyone publicly give all their points in the thread in varying amounts of groups. For example, I would get Keirathi to give all his points in 14 point groups, Stutters to give all his points in 19 point groups, etc. This would prove that scum had extra points. Maybe scum could have spent their points before doing this, but it would have taken time to do, so they would have likely messed up how many points they should have had. Or it would prove that scum had less points than they should have because they spent them all. Wait how would that work?
So at that point in the game there were me, strong, blazing, hopeless, stutters, and keirathi left. I wouldn't have made blazing or hopeless give points because they were mod confirmed. I would then have had everyone else post in the thread
## Give all points: Blazinghand in increments of __ points
Everyone would fill in the blank with a completely different number, such as 17, 39, 87, etc. Then blazing would add up the points he got from each person to compare with how many they should have had at that point in the game according to their actions thus far.
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Wait what? lol
Like is that even allowed?
If it's allowed then I can write something like this:
##For (player in PlayerList)
##Give (points/(PlayerList.size()-1)) to [player] in increments of ((int)[player] mod 100) points at (current_time+ 60*random() seconds) time
##End for
and it should be allowed as well, right?
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The sintaxis is easy.
It's just:
##Give X points to Y
And it gives X points to Y as long as you have them.
I don't even know if "give all points" is allowed, and instead you should put your total number of points in that "give x points to y" command
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On November 10 2012 07:27 gonzaw wrote:
Wait what? lol
Like is that even allowed?
If it's allowed then I can write something like this:
##For (player in PlayerList)
##Give (points/(PlayerList.size()-1)) to [player] in increments of ((int)[player] mod 100) points at (current_time+ 60*random() seconds) time
##End for
and it should be allowed as well, right?
well, no it wasn't allowed. he asked igrok and igrok said no.
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On November 10 2012 04:48 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On November 10 2012 04:40 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 04:39 Blazinghand wrote:On November 10 2012 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:
I was planning to shoot S&B probably 5-6 hours before the Stutters flip. He made a post in our Mason QT that basically revealed him to be scum. I ##involved you hoping to gain enough points to shoot and roleblock S&B, but this night used $ instead of points so I had to ask S&B for the points to shoot him with. Everything I said over the course of the night was basically lying to try to get S&B to drop his guard and not vet himself that night.
Sorry, you never really convinced me-- you weren't particularly scummy, but you were the "unconfirmed town". S&B was playing a little bit scummily though, and basically he made a mistake in the QT. If it weren't for that, I may not have shot him. Was my case on S&B not convincing enough?  I erm, probably didn't read it. I usually don't read other people's cases in depth a whole lot unless they're on me or I think there's something to use against them in it. I skimmed it I guess. S&B basically made two mistakes this game: 1) a bunch of night actions with no results, a classic fake-claim tell 2) claiming scum to me in the mason QT How do you get by if you don't read peoples cases? lol I made a stealthy edit. Basically I'm magic, but by the time you were flipped I already knew I was shooting S&B. Case or no case. I mean, I can't really trust other players since they're scum. Yeah, but reading other peoples cases can prove to you that they're scum or town. Like I was 100% convinced that Adam was town (he and I might as well have been telepathically linked) because we had the same thoughts on mementoss and gonzaw. Edit: Lol. you and your stealthy edits strike again. P.S. I loved you claiming the gonzaw shot. Don't know if you intended with this post but it was what confirmed to me that you did it. Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Also yeah whoever vigged gonzaw is a suave sexy guy. Probably really smart and handsome
Its not at all surprising to me that you had 100% confirmed town on me, as I had the very same read on you from the second you walked into the thread. Equally I had Keirathi 'confirmed' town just as fast.
That vig shot? Yeah, I don't even know what to say.
BH, you really needed to drop the 'adam is probably scum' thing a lot sooner, unless of course you actually believed it, in which case you probably need to redefine how you scum hunt. If I was scum, that was the most ludicrous bus in mafia history - had I been scum, I would have just kept my mouth shut on day 1 at the lynch and let gonzaw do his vote switch while laughing at you guys not seeing how blatant it was. Anyone that cry's WIFOM (a word i loathe) here is just plain dense, I would never trade 2 teammates for town-cred.
Still, good game. I'm content in calling this one a Scum win.
Well played.
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On November 10 2012 07:31 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 07:27 gonzaw wrote:
Wait what? lol
Like is that even allowed?
If it's allowed then I can write something like this:
##For (player in PlayerList)
##Give (points/(PlayerList.size()-1)) to [player] in increments of ((int)[player] mod 100) points at (current_time+ 60*random() seconds) time
##End for
and it should be allowed as well, right? well, no it wasn't allowed. he asked igrok and igrok said no.
The point is that it shouldn't be disallowed because it "breaks the game", it should be disallowed because it goes against direct rules of how the "##...." command works.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
Adam no need to be butthurt I didn't shoot you N1 and I didn't vote for you D2 and I didn't shoot you N2. I called you scum during N1 so that I could freely shoot Gonzaw.
Trust me if I thought you were scum I'd have shot you or lynched you at some point-- I had plenty of bullets. If you were really confident in your own towniness, as I said, you have nothing to fear. You got shot by someone else, dude.
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Sorry, for my horrible play this game, I got confused so hard.
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On November 10 2012 07:35 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 04:48 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 04:42 Blazinghand wrote:On November 10 2012 04:40 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 04:39 Blazinghand wrote:On November 10 2012 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:On November 10 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:
I was planning to shoot S&B probably 5-6 hours before the Stutters flip. He made a post in our Mason QT that basically revealed him to be scum. I ##involved you hoping to gain enough points to shoot and roleblock S&B, but this night used $ instead of points so I had to ask S&B for the points to shoot him with. Everything I said over the course of the night was basically lying to try to get S&B to drop his guard and not vet himself that night.
Sorry, you never really convinced me-- you weren't particularly scummy, but you were the "unconfirmed town". S&B was playing a little bit scummily though, and basically he made a mistake in the QT. If it weren't for that, I may not have shot him. Was my case on S&B not convincing enough? I erm, probably didn't read it. I usually don't read other people's cases in depth a whole lot unless they're on me or I think there's something to use against them in it. I skimmed it I guess. S&B basically made two mistakes this game: 1) a bunch of night actions with no results, a classic fake-claim tell 2) claiming scum to me in the mason QT How do you get by if you don't read peoples cases? lol I made a stealthy edit. Basically I'm magic, but by the time you were flipped I already knew I was shooting S&B. Case or no case. I mean, I can't really trust other players since they're scum. Yeah, but reading other peoples cases can prove to you that they're scum or town. Like I was 100% convinced that Adam was town (he and I might as well have been telepathically linked) because we had the same thoughts on mementoss and gonzaw. Edit: Lol. you and your stealthy edits strike again. P.S. I loved you claiming the gonzaw shot. Don't know if you intended with this post but it was what confirmed to me that you did it. On November 03 2012 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Also yeah whoever vigged gonzaw is a suave sexy guy. Probably really smart and handsome Its not at all surprising to me that you had 100% confirmed town on me, as I had the very same read on you from the second you walked into the thread. Equally I had Keirathi 'confirmed' town just as fast. That vig shot? Yeah, I don't even know what to say. BH, you really needed to drop the 'adam is probably scum' thing a lot sooner, unless of course you actually believed it, in which case you probably need to redefine how you scum hunt. If I was scum, that was the most ludicrous bus in mafia history - had I been scum, I would have just kept my mouth shut on day 1 at the lynch and let gonzaw do his vote switch while laughing at you guys not seeing how blatant it was. Anyone that cry's WIFOM (a word i loathe) here is just plain dense, I would never trade 2 teammates for town-cred. Still, good game. I'm content in calling this one a Scum win. Well played.
Never be content to giving scum the win. lol
Also, I probably would have really hated hopeless (not blazing like i originally thought) a lot more for shooting you, but I knew he was town and everyone started claiming which just made everything really confusing. I mean I basically accuse Keirathi and stutters of not being town even though they played very townie. I don't even know where else you could get a case like this. lol
On November 07 2012 14:03 Crossfire99 wrote:Dell If there is any specific thing any of you want me to respond to on any of these cases let me know because I don't know if you guys just want me to respond to each case or what. Also, I think this means that both keirathi and stutters are not town. That's the only thing that makes sense (unless I'm figuring this stuff out wrong, which you should point out asap, so I don't go down a rabbit trail for no reason). I believe Keirathi is playing with a town mindset. He was attacked by both Mementoss and gonzaw day 1 who voted for him that day. They only changed their minds when they realized that only brood had a chance for a mislynch. He also correctly called gonzaw out during day 1. This had me pretty sure he was town until I just figured out that stuff in my last post. With my reasoning and logic, I believe that Keirathi must be Drew. He played a really good town game, but it's the only thing that makes sense. This means that stutters must be scum. I honestly don't see too much stuff in his filter that is scummy. I don't even think we can hold Djagu's vote against him because of these quotes. Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 03:17 Djagulingu wrote:
So did we start or we're just fucking around?
To be honest, I don't give a fuck
Uhh
##Vote: Chezinu
We should vote for chezinu because every single time there is a storm in the US and Chezinu is playing a game of mafia, he's always a scumbag. Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 11:36 Djagulingu wrote:
Important posts had no day post so I thought game has yet to start. Already n1 T_T But it's also the only other thing that makes any sense whatsoever. All my other thoughts are even crazier... World's worst car?
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I'm not butt-hurt at all, just some advice.
I cant help but feel that it probably lead to hopeless shooting me, which was a terrible shot.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On November 10 2012 07:58 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Sorry, for my horrible play this game, I got confused so hard.
It happens. Next time, though, rolelcaim if you're going to be lynched. We all have games where we play a bit scummy and end up attracting votes, but when you're Blue you have a trump card to play-- you should have played it.
On November 10 2012 07:59 Adam4167 wrote:
I'm not butt at all, just some advice.
I cant help but feel that it probably lead to hopeless shooting me, which was a terrible shot.
I didn't shoot you, I didn't lynch you, and I had numerous opportunities to do both. If you're not personally capable enough to prove yourself townie against a feint from me, that's not my problem. Maybe you should be talking to the guy who shot you, or examining your own play, since you were the one who absorbed a bullet.
EDIT: For what it's worth, I did find you a bit scummy. You weren't really worth a bullet though, and certainly not a lynch.
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I understand what you are saying gonzaw, but I think what you're really taking issue with is ##give all:
Saying "##give 1000 points: blazinghand in increments of 100" is the exact same thing as saying "##give 100 points: blazinghand" 10 times. The second is valid, but annoying spam in the thread/hosts inbox.
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I had the blue role with no role, from what I gleaned from the OP we received our role at the beggining of each day. This would mean I would be unverifiable till D3. Its a pretty tough claim to defend.
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