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On October 25 2012 23:39 Keirathi wrote: I still didn't particularly want to lynch vader. After GSL 1, where he did the EXACT SAME THING, lynching him felt wasteful. I would have been much happier with ZB  Don't lynch Z-BosoN in his first town game  | ||
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On October 25 2012 23:41 marvellosity wrote: he was town in his last 2 games dear (Liquid, LVII) Z-BosoN totes scum in both those games. | ||
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A case like the one you made, while again, very good, is also the sort that (in my head) can be planned out. You can sit in QT talking about where he's played similar to other scum games, etc, and then just roll everything that you and he see wrong with his play this game into a convincing meta case, because he's probably aware of any points where he didn't look like he should. Just the whole 2 scum thing + policy lynch opportunity had me thinking that marv wouldn't bus, and that marv's scumbuddy SHOULD. Regardless of how you looked on your own merit, I was just paranoid about that possibility. | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:36 marvellosity wrote: Also amazing connection theories / plans are only true about 1/20 of the time... at most. Who cares about TRUTH? They're way more FUN 20/20 of the time. | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:48 marvellosity wrote: you pretty much know how i'm inclined to claim having seen Rock Band. I passively suggested you could have not claimed rb and then i was like, yeah i'm jk. you seem to like writing these things though, so fill your boots Claiming = fun. | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:52 marvellosity wrote: says the guy who got lynched when he last claimed xD Yeeeeeeeeeah. I think in part because claiming still some big deal in my head, made a production out of it (EVEN THOUGH IT TOTALLY MADE SENSEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) But the time BEFORE that claim I had my awesome fake-claim. | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:53 Keirathi wrote: He didn't get lynched in Aperture 2 after that ridiculously convenient claim! You say "ridiculously convenient"; I say "convincingly ridiculous" | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:58 marvellosity wrote: oh god that claim cracked me up. It was certainly ridiculous. Not sure about the convincing :p Gotta have dat "Why would I be given such a stupid fakeclaim?" argument to fall back on. | ||
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On October 26 2012 06:28 Blazinghand wrote: In my experience in instant lynch games, scum typically try very hard to avoid being the hammering vote. They're usually in the middle of the wagon. Of course, as soon as I say that it becomes less true, but it still applies. Hammering is usually not something you want to do as scum. Even done well, you naturally stick out in people's minds as the hammerer. Just because a guy hammers a townie doesn't make him scum. Scum made HALF the hammer votes in this game. HALF (that rounds up to ALL) | ||
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On October 26 2012 08:08 DarthPunk wrote: This is the reasoning behind me dropping the case on Draz. If he was medic, scum are going to night kill him. As we get closer to lylo it would be increasingly risky to keep him alive. If he was still alive later in the game I was going to go all out for his blood. But I thought it would be better to drop it for now and see if he got night killed. Rather than potentially waste a lynch on him. If you know what I mean? I thought about some of this and actually DIDN'T post it to thread. Assuming there was a save N1, mafia could kill the medic N2 if he claimed but didn't need to. Can't protect the same target 2x in a row, so they could kill whoever they wanted dead N1 on N2, and then kill the medic N3 IF they were that concerned with the medic. Either way, there's a confirmed townie living til N3 (Either the medic or his protect). Either way, both the medic and the protect are dead after N3, but the outed medic can't affect NKs so long as mafia still wants to kill the N1 target and the medic over other choices. | ||
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On October 26 2012 15:29 debears wrote: Alright. some quick thought. I couldn't finish following the game after marv's lynch with my final newbie (gotta kick some ass) What was drazak's big slip that I didn't get to read? Quote plz? 1) drazak - It was blatantly obvious that you were hiding something. I would've insta nked you as mafia in most setups. Read the early obs QT for my read. Here's one of the posts on the last page debears 10-24-2012 11:03 AM ET (US) And that means doctor only. Might need to read thru filters to find the dox. Candidates off top of my head Drazak Dp Austin? 2) DP - Yeah we thought wayyyyy similar this game. I thought we were the same person this game :D And yeah I would've pushed drazak too. In the worst case scenario, you reveal a confirmed medic. Best case scenario, you lynch the final scum. With one scum left it isn't too risky, especially with the boxer claim and how obvious it was to scum he was a blue 3) Hapa - Boss mode like dat. Apparently I can't read marv for shit (somehow I got him right in LC). Helluva case good sir. 4) Z-Bo - I have a streak of thinking you're scum lol. Fortunately the hammer cleared your scumminess imo 5) Marv - Lol. No chance. Hapas case was bulletproof (or pretty damn close) 6) Austin - I really was on you in the qt because it seemed like your posts really weren't accomplishing anything d1/d2. I must be very wrong cuz everyone saw you as townie :/ Can anyone help me out with Austin on why he was townie? Example posts and such? 7) Iamp - debears 10-23-2012 09:21 PM ET (US) lol yeah. I'm still wanting to try the bus scum partners 1 and 2 and then solo to victory lol. and look at the word choice by iamp. Uses know instead of no.......weird. breadcrumb to parity cop???? Was that an intentional breadcrumb? 8) Keir - Ya i definitely misread that post lol....whoops 9) I had a lot of trouble making town reads this game. Almost everyone was doing scummy things in my eyes. Guess that's not necessarily bad, but it isn't good. I got way confused at the end Here was the last list I posted, scummy to townie Draz (saw blue or mafia pretty equally likely) marvellosity austin z-boson (hammer vote is either town or ballsy scum. And he did get in a shit flinging fest) Keirathi iamperfection (never really saw as scummy :/) Hapahauli DarthPunk AND MOST IMPORTANT ANSWER THIS debears 10-24-2012 12:39 AM ET (US) btw is this "S-Class" label referencing Yu Yu Hakusho?? time for bed....this post was way longer than I thought it would be Drazak's Slip There's a series of small indicators, and then some bigger ones. Small stuff On October 24 2012 09:40 drazak wrote: Ok, I'm here, going to be posting a bunch tonight, I had students to tutor that told me monday they had a test wednesday, and as my laptop isn't working (see earlier post) I couldn't really post for bed, and I was too tired to sit up at my pc after class and tutoring and any work things I've dealt with lately. So scum didn't get a kill last night, correct? That means we have to have a medic yeah? That means we have either a Boxer or a parity cop. I saw there were some accusations against me because of how I've beem posting, and my lack of posting, my bad, I was even in a hurry this morning because I slept in. Just caught up on the thread so some things might be obvious, ask me questions while I figure out who to ask questions and what about. On October 24 2012 09:53 drazak wrote: Wow, that post, I skimmed it before, but reading it again,I'm really starting to believe it, it's pretty comprehensive and those signs are pretty exact. I think if we lynch marv and he's scum, whomever the medic is has to save hapa because that wouldn't be a bus, but if marv isn't scum, maybe lynch hapa the next day? On October 24 2012 10:18 drazak wrote: I mean, if we're wrong, and hapa's read is wrong, then shit, mislynch, hope doc makes a good save, hope parity cop is alive or boxer knows when to claim, and then go after hapa as long as there's no good evidence to his defense. Marv hasn't adequately defended himself by anyone's means as far as I'm concerned, why are you so defensive of him DP? shows focus on blue roles, esp. medic. But the conversation with DP was the big kicker. On October 24 2012 10:45 drazak wrote: I'm reading the thread DP, but I don't get how his connection makes sense, if I'm scum because of those posts, but they're the same kinds of posts that I make in town games, how am I scum this game? None of that even makes sense, which is why I don't understand. If that's not enough reason to think I'm town, I'm not sure what else I have to do, this is a small game, but I have town reads on Hapa and DP for how agressive hapa has been, and how willing to look at different players and play reactionarily that he's been. I also have a pretty good town read on austin because of how he's been playing, also the fac that nobody was lynched last night. while it may be WIFOM, if I was mafia I'd probably have lynched Austin last night, someone probably saved him (or maybe hapa or DP, but if I were a medic, austin would probably be my #1 save) On October 24 2012 10:52 DarthPunk wrote: SNIPPED Really. So mafia tried to kill austin and someone saved him? where is the basis IN THE THREAD for that 'assumption' BECAUSE I SURE AS HELL CAN'T FIND IT. Why is talking about that even relevant. Speculating on the night kills shows a (ty BH) Night oriented mind set. On October 24 2012 10:56 DarthPunk wrote: Where in the thread is there any information at all to draw the conclusion that mafia targeted Austin? Right here is where things are starting to turn. All this speculation about me being hit and saved by the medic, him having a big town read on me, and DP's asking where there's any information in thread to justify that assumption. There's not, but drazak is not the only explanation for him having knowledge beyond the thread. On October 24 2012 10:58 DarthPunk wrote: Hint: There isn't any. It is pointless speculation. 1 person knows who saved him. and that is the medic. On October 24 2012 11:00 DarthPunk wrote: Was that thing about the night kills a crumb drazak? On October 24 2012 11:00 drazak wrote: Austin was being a really good town, which is why I have a strong town read on him, his analysis is strong, he posts a lot, he seems to read significantly better than I am tonight, it's just speculation though. I mean, I pretty much clearly said that it was speculation, that's how I play. | ||
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Can anyone help me out with Austin on why he was townie? Example posts and such? In general, I felt like I was trying to scumhunt, participating, making logical reads (Things like DP early, Z-BosoN's hammer, looking through people who interacted with DP early, etc.). I tend to be overly setup speculative, what you found fluffy in obs, but...I'd like to believe I toned it down somewhat this game. Most posts that I had concerning setup, or wanting to lynch, or anything like that SHOULD have had a townie mindset behind them - especially things like wanting to lynch. I was hoping all other townies had that mindset, wanted to get out of D1, and so I felt confident in posting "Let's kill someone even if we can't be sure." In my head, posting something that felt slightly anti-town but that we probably all thought was a very townie thing to do? Unsure if others read it that way. btw is this "S-Class" label referencing Yu Yu Hakusho?? Probably SC2. S-Class is the top tier of pro, basically. Unsure where it originated from, but I imagine it's from some older system or just a cultural thing, and not derived from either SC2 or YYH. | ||
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On October 26 2012 22:47 marvellosity wrote: Did I really waste my 6000th post on that -.- Nice. | ||
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