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On November 02 2012 01:01 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:54 debears wrote:
@Alsn
What in the hell do you expect? You live in Sweden. Nackht lives in Germany. There are two fucking mega lurkers (one's acting confused and the other won't talk. Dandel had some fucking thing to do. And Cheese had something to do with classes (right?).
It's timezones + IRL
My schedule is fucking rough, but I manage to read and post when I can. Why are you assuming that everyone has bunches of time to spend on this game to be active when you are? I was asleep + away for twelve hours? My point was that if people wanted to comment on our conversation, there was ample time. Instead pretty much the only thing you guys said was that he's UberNinja and that you would read filters. Yes, lurking may be even more detrimental, but seeing as you guys actually did have time to post, I can at least call you out for seemingly not caring. Look, I'm just as pissed that no one else is saying anything either, but what the fuck am I supposed to do at this point? All I can do is try the best I can and hope to fuck that people actually listen to me. And if you guys are both town and the amount of work you put in at this point amount to what I consider to be almost nothing, what hope do I have? All things considered I'm still in favour of lynching Roco the lurker, for obvious reasons, because I have to assume that he's the scummiest of all. I think I've been pretty clear about that.
No. That's bullshit. Just because I'm not here all active like you during the day cuz of classes and baseball doesn't mean I'm not putting in work. I've been looking through filters actually trying to figure this out when I can
Oh yeah and did you forget last night was fucking Halloween?
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On November 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:
EBWOP
You find 5 people scummy. Unless there are 5 scum, that's not very helpful Wow, thanks for stating the obvious. But at this point all the people who are active are not exactly shining examples of perfect townieness. So I have to consider the possibility that they are scum, yet at the same time the lurking at this point has reached heights that Everest can only dream of, so I need to consider them scum too. I've made myself pretty clear that I have a "top" scum, and that's Roco. How is that not helpful if I consider a lot of people scummy? I've chosen who I actually consider the likeliest candidate.
Yet the rest of you six geniuses have yet to even vote. That's massively helpful indeed.
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On November 02 2012 01:04 debears wrote:
No. That's bullshit. Just because I'm not here all active like you during the day cuz of classes and baseball doesn't mean I'm not putting in work. I've been looking through filters actually trying to figure this out when I can
Oh yeah and did you forget last night was fucking Halloween? It's not bullshit. Everyone in the god damn thread has stated reasons for why they can't play, so I should excuse them all? Cheese is in the middle of a hurricane, nackh says he just doesn't have the time to read this long of a thread(suggesting he also is busy with IRL), you are always away on practice or classes or what have you, Inig say's that he's massively overwhelmed and just can't participate, roco, well, there we have at least one person who doesn't have an excuse.
For all I know, cheese might live on the west coast and is one hundred percent bullshitting about the hurricane. What am I supposed to think when fucking everyone has an excuse?
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Oh and how can I forget Dandel's mom's birthday + halloween party. Again, perfect alibi considering he stated it pre-game, yet what am I supposed to think?
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alright i got the fucking hangover of the century, thrown up like 3 times today already and i expect more of those incidents to foollow
My head hurts and i cant think straight.
way i feel rightnow ill probably pass out and miss deadline later in the evening too. Yup, im totally gonna catch some scum today. just gotta have CONFIEDENCE right??
at least theres not much to catch up on ololol.
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okay so looks like nothing at all happened while i was gone. unless i missed some big shit which is pretty possibel
super awesome reads:
the EFFORT method
where you look at if people try to win as town, by looking if they give a/do shit
debears - did a lot of shit earlier in the game, stopped doing so much shit at some point
alsn - didnt do any shit earlier in the game. now at least pretends to do shit, which is almost enough to make me not want to lynch him
cheese - hard to find out if hes trying to do shit, but end result is, he did next to no shit so far
nackht - doesnt do shit, doesnt give a shit about the game. trolls the thread instead of reading it. but hey, at least he posts, right?
inig - doesnt do shit, ever. says hed like to do shit, but then still doesnt
roco - lol
in the end, id be up for lynching roco, nackht, cheese or inig today. in that order.
if you give me a really fucking good reason for lynching debears (aka not "cause he didnt die yet"), id maybe lynch him, but not too likely
so, even if you dont count debears, i still have 4 ppl that id totally lynch, 1 maaaaaaaaaybe, and alsn of course could also still be scum, i just dont wanna lynch him today cause he actually plays the game in contrast to EVERYONE ELSE. or so.
so i have 6 that could all be scum and then me who cant even look at the screen too much cause it fucking hurts
i know full well that under the effort shit i could also argue for my own lynch but why the fuck would i want to do that
tho if you wanna feel free to lynch me i guess, i dont really want to play this game any longer anywasy
cause you know
fuck this
imma try to take a nap or something, maybe i'll feel better after. if i dont, I'm just gonna sheep one of the cool kids and pray probably lol.
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I guess you haven't really looked too closely as to what has been going on while you were gone, but I did get the impression that nackh is at the very least trying to play the game. Or to use your words, at least "pretends to do shit". He's been pretty outspoken about me, cheese and you being scum. However, he has yet to put his vote where his mouth is and still hasn't explained what his point was with putting focus on the fact that Inig participated in the SK discussion of Djod really means.
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Day 1
Inigmaticalism (2) - Dandel Ion, Djodref
Djodref (1) - Mr. Cheesecake
imcasey (1) - Inigmaticalism
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (9) - Rad, Alsn, sylverfyre, imcasey, da0ud, kushm4sta, Roco69, debears
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Djodref
da0ud (2) - kushm4sta, Alsn
Djodref (1) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
imcasey (1) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (5) - Rad, sylverfyre, imcasey, Roco69, Djodref
Inigmaticalism (4) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
da0ud (3) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre
Djodref (1) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
Dandel Ion (1) - Inigmaticalism
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (3) - imcasey, Roco69, Djodref
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
da0ud (3) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre
Djodref (1) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
Dandel Ion (1) - Inigmaticalism
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (4) - imcasey, Roco69, Djodref, Rad
da0ud (6) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre, Mr. Cheesecake, Rad, Inigmaticalism
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
Dandel Ion (0) - Inigmaticalism
Djodref (0) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (3) - imcasey, Roco69, Djodref
da0ud (7) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre, Mr. Cheesecake, Rad, Inigmaticalism, Djodref
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
Dandel Ion (0) - Inigmaticalism
Djodref (0) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (2) - imcasey, Roco69
Day 2
Djodref (2) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake
Dandel Ion (2) - Alsn, debears
nackhtjogger (1) - Djodref
Not Voting (4) - Rad, nackhtjogger, Inigmaticalism, Roco69
Dandel Ion (3) - Alsn, Inigmaticalism, Djodref, debears
Djodref (2) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (4) - Rad, nackhtjogger, Roco69, debears
Dandel Ion (4) - Alsn, Inigmaticalism, Djodref, Roco69, debears
Djodref (3) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (2) - Rad, nackhtjogger
Dandel Ion (4) - Alsn, Inigmaticalism, Djodref, Roco69, debears
Djodref (3) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears
Mr. Cheesecake (1) nackhtjogger
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (1) - Rad
Djodref (4) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears, Alsn
Dandel Ion (3) - Inigmaticalism, Djodref, Roco69, debears, Alsn
Mr. Cheesecake (1) nackhtjogger
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (1) - Rad
Djodref (5) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears, Alsn, Rad
Dandel Ion (2) - Inigmaticalism, Roco69, debears, Alsn, Djodref
Mr. Cheesecake (2) nackhtjogger, Djodref
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (0) -
Djodref (4) - Mr Cheesecake, debears, Alsn, Rad, Dandel Ion
Mr. Cheesecake (3) nackhtjogger, Djodref, Inigmaticalism
Dandel Ion (1) - Roco69, debears, Alsn, Djodref, Inigmaticalism
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (1) - Dandel Ion
Djodref (5) - Mr Cheesecake, debears, Rad, Alsn, Dandel Ion, Alsn
Mr. Cheesecake (4) nackhtjogger, Djodref, Inigmaticalism, Roco69
Inigmaticalism (0) - Alsn
Dandel Ion (0) - Roco69, debears, Alsn, Djodref, Inigmaticalism
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (0) -
Day 3
Roco69 (1) - Alsn
nackhtjogger (0) - Alsn
Dandel Ion (0) - Alsn
Not Voting (5) - debears, Roco69, Mr. Cheesecake, Dandel Ion, Inigmaticalism
Finally .. If i look at this and don't see any reason not to lynch Dandel I'm voting him
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EBWOP: Goddamnit
Day 1
Inigmaticalism (2) - Dandel Ion, Djodref
Djodref (1) - Mr. Cheesecake
imcasey (1) - Inigmaticalism
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (9) - Rad, Alsn, sylverfyre, imcasey, da0ud, kushm4sta, Roco69, debears
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Djodref
da0ud (2) - kushm4sta, Alsn
Djodref (1) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
imcasey (1) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (5) - Rad, sylverfyre, imcasey, Roco69, Djodref
Inigmaticalism (4) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
da0ud (3) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre
Djodref (1) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
Dandel Ion (1) - Inigmaticalism
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (3) - imcasey, Roco69, Djodref
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
da0ud (3) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre
Djodref (1) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
Dandel Ion (1) - Inigmaticalism
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (4) - imcasey, Roco69, Djodref, Rad
da0ud (6) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre, Mr. Cheesecake, Rad, Inigmaticalism
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
Dandel Ion (0) - Inigmaticalism
Djodref (0) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (3) - imcasey, Roco69, Djodref
da0ud (7) - kushm4sta, Alsn, sylverfyre, Mr. Cheesecake, Rad, Inigmaticalism, Djodref
Inigmaticalism (3) - Dandel Ion, da0ud, debears, Rad, Djodref
Dandel Ion (0) - Inigmaticalism
Djodref (0) - Mr. Cheesecake, Alsn
imcasey (0) - Inigmaticalism
Roco69 (0) - sylverfyre
Rad (0) - debears
Not Voting (2) - imcasey, Roco69
Day 2
Djodref (2) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake
Dandel Ion (2) - Alsn, debears
nackhtjogger (1) - Djodref
Not Voting (4) - Rad, nackhtjogger, Inigmaticalism, Roco69
Dandel Ion (3) - Alsn, Inigmaticalism, Djodref, debears
Djodref (2) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (4) - Rad, nackhtjogger, Roco69, debears
Dandel Ion (4) - Alsn, Inigmaticalism, Djodref, Roco69, debears
Djodref (3) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (2) - Rad, nackhtjogger
Dandel Ion (4) - Alsn, Inigmaticalism, Djodref, Roco69, debears
Djodref (3) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears
Mr. Cheesecake (1) nackhtjogger
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (1) - Rad
Djodref (4) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears, Alsn
Dandel Ion (3) - Inigmaticalism, Djodref, Roco69, debears, Alsn
Mr. Cheesecake (1) nackhtjogger
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (1) - Rad
Djodref (5) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears, Alsn, Rad
Dandel Ion (2) - Inigmaticalism, Roco69, debears, Alsn, Djodref
Mr. Cheesecake (2) nackhtjogger, Djodref
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (0) -
Djodref (4) - Mr Cheesecake, debears, Alsn, Rad, Dandel Ion
Mr. Cheesecake (3) nackhtjogger, Djodref, Inigmaticalism
Dandel Ion (1) - Roco69, debears, Alsn, Djodref, Inigmaticalism
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (1) - Dandel Ion
Djodref (5) - Mr Cheesecake, debears, Rad, Alsn, Dandel Ion, Alsn
Mr. Cheesecake (4) nackhtjogger, Djodref, Inigmaticalism, Roco69
Inigmaticalism (0) - Alsn
Dandel Ion (0) - Roco69, debears, Alsn, Djodref, Inigmaticalism
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
Not Voting (0) -
Day 3
Roco69 (1) - Alsn
nackhtjogger (0) - Alsn
Dandel Ion (0) - Alsn
Not Voting (5) - debears, Roco69, Mr. Cheesecake, Dandel Ion, Inigmaticalism
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Let me get this straight, you've concluded Dandel is scum because you've looked for reasons why his town story might actually check out and you haven't found anything? Or what?
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Final votecount on Day 2 without Dandel and Alsn crossed over. ffs
##Vote: Dandel Ion
No fucking way we have 4 blues. Not to mention a role like town roleblocker.
If you've read my case on him just switch the part where I've said they'd go for the block+shot right from night 1. They blocked kush. Scum Dandel told the truth for once and the breadcrumb makes sense.
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I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco?
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On November 02 2012 02:52 Alsn wrote:
I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco?
I don't understand what you have on roco. He's from a country I've never heard of before and upon seeing the amount of bullshit about having confidence and lurker lynch something (because as I said before I have reason to believe he doesn't know what the word policy even means) he says he assumes it's because scum is shitting all over the thread so he decides to counter that by not posting anything. To be honest from my perspective Roco has been the perfect partner in figuring this game out. There's absolutely nada that you could base an incriminating assumption upon.
Now quickly change your vote to Dandel before the goddamn power goes out again.
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The power isn't going to run out. I live in about the least storm prone area on the fucking planet. I think I've experienced maybe 1 hour of power outage combined in my entire lifetime. Don't you try and stress me.
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On November 02 2012 02:58 nackhtjogger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 02:52 Alsn wrote:
I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco? I don't understand what you have on roco. He's from a country I've never heard of before and upon seeing the amount of bullshit about having confidence and lurker lynch something (because as I said before I have reason to believe he doesn't know what the word policy even means) he says he assumes it's because scum is shitting all over the thread so he decides to counter that by not posting anything. To be honest from my perspective Roco has been the perfect partner in figuring this game out. There's absolutely nada that you could base an incriminating assumption upon. Now quickly change your vote to Dandel before the goddamn power goes out again.
So you're saying roco, who is the essence of hardcore lurking (an optimal scum strategy btw) is the most town by purposely not contributing?
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On November 02 2012 02:58 nackhtjogger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 02:52 Alsn wrote:
I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco? I don't understand what you have on roco. He's from a country I've never heard of before and upon seeing the amount of bullshit about having confidence and lurker lynch something (because as I said before I have reason to believe he doesn't know what the word policy even means) he says he assumes it's because scum is shitting all over the thread so he decides to counter that by not posting anything. To be honest from my perspective Roco has been the perfect partner in figuring this game out. There's absolutely nada that you could base an incriminating assumption upon.Now quickly change your vote to Dandel before the goddamn power goes out again. And there's exactly one thing that you could base an exonerating assumption on. The fact that his voting record so far has avoided lynching any townies. However, that also includes the fact that he did not vote D1. I guess I could speculate about him being allowed to continue in the game because the hosts are pitying us due to not wanting to modkill two townies D1.
Well fuck it, you're right, I can't really say that he's scum. I guess gambling on the fact that he truly is reading the thread and is genuinely voting what he considers the scummiest people is about as good a gamble as anything at this point. I refuse to be held responsible for this clusterfuck if he does turn out to be scum however.
##Unvote
##Vote: Dandel Ion
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On November 02 2012 03:06 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 02:58 nackhtjogger wrote:On November 02 2012 02:52 Alsn wrote:
I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco? I don't understand what you have on roco. He's from a country I've never heard of before and upon seeing the amount of bullshit about having confidence and lurker lynch something (because as I said before I have reason to believe he doesn't know what the word policy even means) he says he assumes it's because scum is shitting all over the thread so he decides to counter that by not posting anything. To be honest from my perspective Roco has been the perfect partner in figuring this game out. There's absolutely nada that you could base an incriminating assumption upon. Now quickly change your vote to Dandel before the goddamn power goes out again. So you're saying roco, who is the essence of hardcore lurking (an optimal scum strategy btw) is the most town by purposely not contributing? Seriously, your opinions on scum strategies have been extremely lacking this game. Hardcore lurking an optimal scum strategy? How can you possibly conclude that? If only one person is lurking, he would seem extremely suspicious. If everyone is lurking, the lynches are decided by random chance. Most mafia games tend to be balanced on that the probabilities of winning through random chance are somewhat close to 50/50 for either alignment. So saying hardcore lurking is "optimal mafia" strategy is ludicrous.
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@Alsn
Yeah, it is optimal scum strategy.
1) They don't have to say anything/Keep their story straight
2) People use the defense "there's nothing there to say they are scum"
3) They don't form any type of associations with their other teammates
4) They give scum an easy bus late game
That said, I will consolidate. The worst possible outcome for us is a no lynch
##Vote Dandel
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