Also, having 4 blues in a 10vs3 situation irks me a lot. This is not balanced in my opinion. Maybe it is when 4-5 players have no filter during D1.

Either one of dandel and rad is lying, either we have a SK on top of that

Djodref

France3332 Posts

October 29 2012 23:14 GMT

#1286

@ debears

I don't know how you didn't realize I was town while writting your "meta" section.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 29 2012 23:15 GMT

#1287

Ugh, I'm not sure if I like Cheese's chances of flipping scum better than yours...
I'm looking through filter/cases on him.

But I dunno, man. I've had a scummy feel on you from pretty early on...

Well, I'll take another look, but so far Cheese has been nothing but a null read for me. I'm not positive I want to take what I consider to be a pretty big gamble...

Djodref

France3332 Posts

October 29 2012 23:17 GMT

#1288

What has he done at the exception of tunneling me to death ?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

October 29 2012 23:19 GMT

#1289

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Djodref (5) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake, debears, Alsn, Rad
Dandel Ion (2) - Inigmaticalism, Roco69, ~~debears~~, ~~Alsn~~, ~~Djodref~~
Mr. Cheesecake (2) nackhtjogger, Djodref
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Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 29 2012 23:19 GMT

#1290

Well, I'd say that if you flip green, we have some different possibilities.

4v3v1, or 5v3 until day, and then it branches off depending on if Rad is SK or vigi. If Rad is SK, I'm not really sure what the best move is. A supposed Dandel scum role blocker would probably want to role block a potential SK, yet doing so would allow Rad to claim role block and we would lynch the fuck out of Dandel the next day. Not role blocking Rad would then mean that he could(if he wants to) kill a scum, but a scum night kill would mean we have a 100% confirmed SK(unless there's a different SK but then we are well and truly fucked).

So I'm not sure what the best move would be at that point but if Dandel is town he definitely should be trying to role block scum, not Rad, because it's in a supposed SK Rad's best interest to prolong the game. Killing someone he suspects could be town would mean that the next day is 2 town + SK vs 3 scum, something which is impossible to win for either SK or town with plurality lynch(all three scum just vote Rad the minute the day starts and they win).

Now, if Rad is town, we will end up in a 4v3 scenario tomorrow which is lylo. An incredibly hard position to be in, especially if any of either Nackh or Roco is town. If we need their votes it will be extremely difficult to win.

Basically, the only conclusion I can come to is that if Djod flips town, we are almost completely fucked. :/

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 29 2012 23:23 GMT

#1291

Actually, I'd have to evaluate just how scummy I think cheese is. I think a green cheese flip would be an easier lylo than a green djod flip. But on the other hand for me Cheese being scum means that Dandel is probably town.

Actually, that's a good point, Dandel, would you go for a cheese lynch?

Djodref

France3332 Posts

October 29 2012 23:25 GMT

#1292

Yeah, this game is lost if you lynch me today

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 29 2012 23:25 GMT

#1293

My reasoning is this: If you're scum Dandel I'm fucked either way cause you would be getting what you want regardless. If you're town however, I'm pretty sure Cheese is scum, and I'd actually feel better about a Cheese lynch than a Djod lynch in that case.

Anyone else here right now that can argue with/against?

nackhtjogger

Germany105 Posts

October 29 2012 23:26 GMT

#1294

On October 30 2012 08:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
Ugh, I'm not sure if I like Cheese's chances of flipping scum better than yours...
I'm looking through filter/cases on him.

But I dunno, man. I've had a scummy feel on you from pretty early on...

Well, I'll take another look, but so far Cheese has been nothing but a null read for me. I'm not positive I want to take what I consider to be a pretty big gamble...

I suggest you rethink what you know about blending in because Cheesecake has neurotically tried it. He's the definition of trying to blend in.

Also he publishes his case on Djo right after Djo says he's leaving. Then I post about him and he disappears. I'm not saying he's lying about his RL issues.. but if so he's choosing his availability very conveniently.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 29 2012 23:27 GMT

#1295

Alsn, due to roleblock mechanics, my role is pretty useless when claimed. Scum RB is pretty standard (not an absolute neccessity, but most of the times, it's there)

Atm, I see exactly a single way for it to be even potentially useful, but I can't tell. Hope you understand. It's a rather...low chance maneuver in the first place.
Rest assured, I'm not planning on blocking Rad. I thought about what to do, and it's the only thing I could come up with.

I am a man with a (stupid) plan.

Rad

United States935 Posts

October 29 2012 23:27 GMT

#1296

I'm not following you. Why is a cheese town flip better than a djo town flip? I'm trying to read through cheese's filters atm and keep up with latest happenings, can you sum it up for me?

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 29 2012 23:27 GMT

#1297

I'd really love some input from debears, because Rad is either Vigi/SK and we all know it, so we all know his motivation for wanting someone lynched.

But basically, if you want Cheese lynched, and either Rad or debears is up for it, I'm in. Otherwise I'd say we stick with Djod and hope to fuck that he flips scum.

Djodref

France3332 Posts

October 29 2012 23:29 GMT

#1298

Why you should lynch Cheese instead of me today !!

I'm Abel the Vanilla Townie. I have been given this name because I'm French !
Cheese is pretty null on everyone's radar. This is the objective that mafia is striving for
He has just tunneled me to death his game, nothing more
But still he had no problem at all to switch to a daoud lynch over mine, no frustration, no regrets expressed
His play just feels safe

Alsn

Sweden995 Posts

October 29 2012 23:30 GMT

#1299

On October 30 2012 08:27 Rad wrote:
I'm not following you. Why is a cheese town flip better than a djo town flip? I'm trying to read through cheese's filters atm and keep up with latest happenings, can you sum it up for me?

I just mean that if Djod is town, pretty much anyone can be the remaining scum.

Look, I'm still pretty damn sure that we have a good chance of catching scum with Djod, but for some reason I'm now trusting Dandel with choosing a different lynch. To be honest I have no idea why, but it feels like it "fits".

I'll try and see if I can't find out why I feel this way, but I don't think I'll be able to before lynch anyway, so I guess this is moot.

Rad

United States935 Posts

October 29 2012 23:31 GMT

#1300

On October 30 2012 08:29 Djodref wrote:
Why you should lynch Cheese instead of me today !!

I'm Abel the Vanilla Townie. I have been given this name because I'm French !
Cheese is pretty null on everyone's radar. This is the objective that mafia is striving for
He has just tunneled me to death his game, nothing more
But still he had no problem at all to switch to a daoud lynch over mine, no frustration, no regrets expressed
His play just feels safe

I don't know how the setup works, but are roles not assigned randomly? Like, they chose all the roles that would be in the game, and then we're all given roles randomly?