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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On October 28 2012 09:35 Djodref wrote: Can we have an update regarding Roco's replacement progress ? soon tm If no replacement can be found he'll be modkilled at the next deadline. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
I find it odd that you suddenly find a reason for Sylver being killed and flipping blue so quickly. I believe this indicates that you were thinking about it beforehand. It's also odd that specifically Sylver, the one who was tunneling you so hard late d1, is found dead. On October 28 2012 09:31 Djodref wrote: By the way, if mafia is blue sniping, I would think that they have nobody on their ass right now. An attempt to divert attention away from yourself. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 28 2012 08:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: MY OPINION ON DJODREF A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty By: Mr. Cheesecake _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Scumslip + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote: Here is the infamous scumslip by Djo, he refers to Da0ud explicitly as town (who we now know IS town). There is little to say here: How does Djo know Da0ud is town? He doesn't even have a reason to think he's town. He even votes for Da0ud which I will address later.daoud Good ! I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town  What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way? Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever: On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote: I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^ All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue. Town can slip and mafia can slip.You have to pay attention to the context of the sentence. I'm saying that I'm not going to defend him this game, in contrast of our previous game where I knew he was town, I guess my brain makes a wrong connection and there is a slip. My explanation was adequate the first time by the way. Also I would like you to check my filter of my last game where I was mafia and find a slip in my filter. There is none because I have really paid attention to what I post. It's not the case in this game. “Are you Mafia?" Question + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote: @Roco I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco? On October 26 2012 01:12 Djodref wrote: How on God's green Earth would asking someone if they are mafia make them uncomfortable? All a scum player would need to rebuke it is: No. There is zero town motivation for asking someone if they are mafia.@sylver I'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia. There is also no mafia motivation for it. This point is not relevant in my opinion. Anyway, I wanted to pressure him, it was also sarcastic. Being called mafia in plain sight makes you feel uncomfortable regardless of how easy you can brush it off. His Questions about Inig + Show Spoiler + It is obvious from the very beginning that Djo is suspicious of Ini. He asks everyone about what they think of him. Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party. Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him. On October 25 2012 18:51 Djodref wrote: @daoud What do you think about Ini ? On October 25 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote: @debears If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts. On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote: I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch. By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ? What do you think of Inig ? He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig. On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote: @Alsn I would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me  What do you think about Inig ? He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead. On October 26 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote: AGAIN, brushing off the FoS from Alsn, in favor of pursing interests of Ini.Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini. These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else. I was trying to push my scumread. I wanted to see what people had to say about Ini because it could have been evidence against them for later if Ini had flipped red. Brushing off Alsn FoS like this was regrettable but I did try to address some other attacks against me in the meantime. An Appeal to Emotion + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote: I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time. debears <3 This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really? debears asked me a question, I answered why. I gave debears some <3 in my other game when I was town. 180 on Inig + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote: Please note that this is the entire vote post.## Vote daoud Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote. I've made a case against Ini. He has answered to it and started to contribute in a better way so I have changed my mind about him. Stop cherry-picking and go read my filter. To be more precise, I'm still thinking there are scummy things in Ini's filter but I was feeling him honest and sincere. How can I possibly vote a guy when I have a feeling like this ? Regarding daoud, I did not want to lynch him. My vote on daoud was just to avoid a modkill... + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ? Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it ! Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him? On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me? On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote: As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book. And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread). He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him. I'm not trying to discredit you. I'm scumhunting. General Thread Clutter (my opinion) + Show Spoiler + Admittedly some of it is defense, his filter is huge and he's talking on absolutely every page. The thread doesn't need to know every thought that pops in your head. A large majority is just casual conversation without his own input on certain subjects. Is this an attempt to bury logical arguements? He's trying to post a lot to seem like he's contributing, but I find most of his questions/concerns pointless. Take the "scumtell on Kush" post. I don't think anyone in the thread thought it was a scumtell, but he made a fuss over it. I admit that I clutter the thread. Just trying to be active and to generate discussion in lurker-land... A Final Note + Show Spoiler + Look at who Djodref has suspicions (FoS's) on. Me and Sylverfyre. I oppose him, and Sylverfyre has tunneled him hard. His best scum reads are on people that find him highly suspicious! What does this say? He's scared. He's scared and replying by digging up any dirt he can on us. After synthesizing all of what you have posted Djo, the jig is up. You are SCUM I'm going to start my day by addressing this case. First things first, even if your case is not bad, the conclusion is wrong. I'm town so I would like you to be as objective as possible when you read my answers. Please find my defense in bold font in the spoiler. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 28 2012 09:41 Dandel Ion wrote: Djodref, why are you being so certain that mafia is responsible for the kill on Sylver? Is there something you want to tell us? @ dandel Please show me in my post where I'm "so certain". I'm using conditional verbal forms... | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 28 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Djo I find it odd that you suddenly find a reason for Sylver being killed and flipping blue so quickly. I believe this indicates that you were thinking about it beforehand. It's also odd that specifically Sylver, the one who was tunneling you so hard late d1, is found dead. An attempt to divert attention away from yourself. @ Cheese Take out your biased confirmation goggles. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 28 2012 10:17 Djodref wrote: @ dandel Please show me in my post where I'm "so certain". I'm using conditional verbal forms... >.> On October 28 2012 09:29 Djodref wrote: I think sylver has been killed for this post I would say mafia was trying to snipe a blue and managed to do it. Regarding Kush death, I would say vig or SK. Both makes sense. But jailkeeper + vig + detective seems imba so I think we have a SK. On October 28 2012 09:31 Djodref wrote: By the way, if mafia is blue sniping, I would think that they have nobody on their ass right now. Your posts heavily imply that mafia is bluesniping Sylver, and you don't even aknowledge the possibility that Kush was the scum KP. Cheesecake's point about how fast you found a good reason to kill Sylver is also pretty good in my opinion. I mean, I checked his filter again, too, but I didn't even really think about that. To me, it sounds plausible that you've thought about it beforehand. I just want you to admit shooting either of them. You could still be scum, but the read I'm getting from you really strongly is SK. Now, my sample size is not the biggest, but I played a single game with a SK. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548 (doesn't say in the OP, but it's thrawn) And your play feels SO MUCH like thrawn's that game, it's not even funny. Since there's been no Vig claim, I'll have to assume a SK in the game now. Because it doesn't really make sense to NOT claim vig, he'd have no shots left, and would be, for all intents and purposes, be confirmed town. Which is something I'd like very much, at this point. Reasons to not claim Vig: If you're actually the SK and you'd incriminate yourself when there comes another night with 2 NKs. That's it. Conclusion: Djo is either SK, or scum. Both are reasons to lynch him, to me. ##Vote Djodref That said, does anybody even care about this game anymore?... | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
I still find him my biggest scum read however. Cheese case is a pretty nice summary of why I think so, although I don't agree with necessarily everything(I'm more and more willing to let that first "slip" just be him chatting da0ud up) I have yet to see him be very concerned for town in any non-superficial way. That being said, I think we need to stand back and consider the possibilities at hand. We are 9 people alive out of 13, if we assume the second NK was a vigi shot, there's 6 town vs 3 scum, giving us at least one more lynch where we can gather information so lets make it count. If on the other hand the second NK was done by a likely SK(likely due to 2 blue's already having flipped) we are 5 vs 3 vs 1. Another mislynch would make town entirely dependant on SK and that's definitely a situation that is scary. SK of course also want's mafia dead but I can imagine that it'd be difficult to work with someone who has their own agenda. So basically, this lynch is important any way you slice it. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Kush being the mafia KP ? Are you serious ? Why would the mafia get rid of a player that almost everybody was FoSing ? Moreover, with Kush posting style, it was almost a guaranteed mislynch. Regarding sylverfer, I didn't see any reasons for the mafia to kill him at first. So I quickly assumed (assume as in making an hypothesis) that is could be blue snipping. I was looking for a breadcrumb in sylver's filter and I knew already this post. I was just sharing my thoughts about it. It was fast but seriously timing posts arguments are weak. Now, regarding your vote, are you using Thrawn meta to incriminate me as an SK ? And is this the only reason ? Please think about it again. Please tell me about all your reasons to vote for me. And lynching me for being scum or SK ? Tell me the reasons why I should be scum and the reasons why I should be SK. I'm not sure but I'm guessing the playing styles are different... Regarding the claim might come later, we are playing this game in lurkland, remember ? Please reconsider your reasons, because I'm a fucking townie, and fear that you I everybody are going to vote me way too fast, without thinking about it twice and go back to lurking. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 28 2012 20:59 Alsn wrote: Also, I'd like to point out that scum killed someone who was suspecting Djo no matter what. Both kush and sylver were outspoken anti-Djoists, even to the point where sylver looked scummy because that was the only thing he contributed to in the entire thread. I still think this is pretty sketchy territory since we don't know the motivations for why they were killed but I think we can safely assume that their suspicions of Djo probably was a deciding factor. What we need to figure out is whether or not he's being framed or not. @ Alsn Do you think that mafia could have killed Kush ? Given what happened in the thread during N1, I'm pretty sure that is SK or Vig work, trying to take down one mafia. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
No matter what scum killed either kush or sylver and both of them suspected you Djod. You can be "pretty sure" however much you want but that still doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't be able to be pretty sure. Either you know, suggesting the charges against you by for example Dandel is legitimate, or you are sure of something for no apparent reason. We have no clue whatsoever as to what scum want us to think. Kush was the most experienced player here, it could just mean that they wanted him gone for that reason. Or he said something which made sense that they wanted to cover up, or it was the SK/Vigi like you suggest, yet we have no idea at this point. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I have just been playing a game where I was mafia and kush was town. I know what I am talking about. I don't see any mafia team wanting to kill Kush. This guy has an incredible mislynch potential and his reads are not so good. I cannot be sure about it but I would say like there is a 1% chance that mafia has actually killed him. Can you confirm me that you have no experience as a mafia player (not including this game of course) ? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
I don't know which one is the scum kill. It's more likely it's Sylver, that I admit. But in no way, shape or form is it IMPOSSIBLE that Kush was the scum kp. If I wanted to speculate up reasons for it, I could come up with some. But it would be pretty useless specuation, and most importantly, fluffing up the thread. You unwillingness to even aknowledge the possibility that kush was scum-killed, reads to me like you have relevant information on the subject. That's why I think you were involved in one of the kills. If you're SK, you most likely killed Kush, if you're scum, I could see a reason for you to kill either. You're right that this lynch is pretty fucking important. That's why I don't want to waste time twiddling my thumbs like you all seem to prefer. We're already full of lurkers that probably don't read the thread more than once per day. So what rationale do you have for NOT pushing your reads early? If you wait until right before the flip, it won't do shit, because 3/4ths of the game won't even be there. Ergo, I think I'm pretty damn justified in pushing my read early. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I cannot accept your vote. You have to vote me because your think I am SK. In this case please bring up a case against me proving that I am SK. OR You have to vote against me because you think I am scum. Same, provide your case. Also you should start looking for other potential mafia players because I'm gonna flip green. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
That, or your scumbuddies are lurking, which would also explain it. Oh, and I also played a game as scum against Kush, and we didn't feel like we had to kill him, even though he was the claimed JK. We killed Alsn the VT instead (who played approx. 300 times better in that game, btw). So I understand all about scum not killing Kush. The thing is, I can't rely on scum reaching the same conclusion that I would. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 28 2012 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote: What Alsn said. I don't know which one is the scum kill. It's more likely it's Sylver, that I admit. But in no way, shape or form is it IMPOSSIBLE that Kush was the scum kp. If I wanted to speculate up reasons for it, I could come up with some. But it would be pretty useless specuation, and most importantly, fluffing up the thread. You unwillingness to even aknowledge the possibility that kush was scum-killed, reads to me like you have relevant information on the subject. That's why I think you were involved in one of the kills. If you're SK, you most likely killed Kush, if you're scum, I could see a reason for you to kill either. You're right that this lynch is pretty fucking important. That's why I don't want to waste time twiddling my thumbs like you all seem to prefer. We're already full of lurkers that probably don't read the thread more than once per day. So what rationale do you have for NOT pushing your reads early? If you wait until right before the flip, it won't do shit, because 3/4ths of the game won't even be there. Ergo, I think I'm pretty damn justified in pushing my read early. @ dandel I don't have relevant information, I have experience... Check the mafiaQT from my previous game. Please check how we chose the NK and how we talked about Kush. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Mafia wants to keep that kind of players in the game. 1% chance of him being killed by the mafia. I don't understand why you cannot see it. | ||
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