On December 25 2012 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad, I promise to not give you cause to shit up the thread, regardless of alignment.
Toad, I promise to not give you cause to shit up the thread, regardless of alignment.
prepare your anus
/in
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On December 25 2012 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad, I promise to not give you cause to shit up the thread, regardless of alignment. prepare your anus /in | ||
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On December 25 2012 15:26 Foolishness wrote: This game is certainly welcome to start if enough players join. And actually if it starts soon I can play so why not? /in yay please be town if I'm town, then if not fuck you | ||
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On December 29 2012 03:15 supersoft wrote: lol i didnt play half a year and i know more than half the players in this game... pretty epic. I waited for that about one month. BC/curu are missing though... and Sandroba!!! sandro on vacation I think. | ||
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On December 30 2012 07:18 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On December 30 2012 06:07 marvellosity wrote: On December 30 2012 05:28 Toadesstern wrote: If democracy means your restricting my freedom to start this game RIGHT NAO I don't like it. Everyone who's not a communist has to vote for "start today" i like this guy *insert she-wants-my-dick-pic* | ||
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On December 30 2012 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Today Because I'll have more time for the game in the next few days than I will after the first of the year...not that I'll be inactive if it doesn't start until later, I just won't be dedicating like...chunks of my day to it like I could if it started today. On December 30 2012 08:26 Palmar wrote: ##Vote: Wherebugsgo On December 30 2012 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Anarchy On December 30 2012 08:29 marvellosity wrote: ##Sheep: Palmar On December 30 2012 09:28 Kurumi wrote: I'll wait ~8 more hours so US guys can chip-in more. See ya. So far 2nd of January is winning. | ||
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It's balanced if it's coupled with low blue counts though (but the game of which I speak was retardedly town favored because it had this KP system with about 20 blues. Literally) | ||
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On December 31 2012 14:19 kushm4sta wrote: mafia usually has 2 kps. now they have 3. That is huge. kp is the best role you could ever want. what? clearly you have never played games of this size lol | ||
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On January 01 2013 01:54 supersoft wrote: He's one of the few i always take seriously. Ah Syllogism is missing, too! *Came into my mind, when i was talking about people i take seriously ^_^ Palmar is only #3 on my "always take seriously" list. #1 is sinani. | ||
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On January 01 2013 11:36 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2013 11:02 Toadesstern wrote: I don't fully understand what that list means to be honest. Is it good or bad to be placed high in there? I guess it's something bad though because WBG is pissed about me this is hilarious <3 toad hahahaha it's exactly the response I expected probably should switch him with #1 | ||
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Probably sleeping a lot more than usual :p | ||
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In the meantime I'd love to see players write short 5-10 word summaries of the play so far of these players: Foolishness Supersoft Palmar MZ BC Marv VE Toad Anyone else I can easily meta | ||
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So, let's kill him. ##vote Palmar | ||
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In fact I don't even remember when the last time he was anywhere close to being lynched as either alignment. | ||
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too bad masons aren't confirmed town in this game | ||
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I don't find BC scummy atm. I actually agree with what Foolishess said about him earlier, though Foolishness hasn't said much-that in itself was worth remembering. | ||
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On January 04 2013 11:52 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 11:50 wherebugsgo wrote: iamp you should post your logs now. I don't find BC scummy atm. I actually agree with what Foolishess said about him earlier, though Foolishness hasn't said much-that in itself was worth remembering. it worries me a bit that i haven't really noticed him at all. he's usually like that. It's either that or him yelling at everyone for being bad. Which I'd love to see anyway cause it's fucking hilarious | ||
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please comment on Palmar. Not just an off-hand comment, please. | ||
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mafia over the past 3-4 months seems to have become really really spammy. BC is one of those guys who absolutely fucking hates spam, and it's no surprise that given the change in overall activity levels on the forum, BC would be treated as a lurkier player. Think about it, the thread is at 40 pages. That's about 800 posts in around 24 hours with 30 players. One year ago we had Mafia L, it was 50 players and it had 50 pages on day 1. At this pace this game will break 80 pages by the end of day 1. In fact, the pace will probably increase given that the most inactive time is the beginning of d1. We haven't even seen posts by several players. | ||
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On January 04 2013 11:52 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 11:50 wherebugsgo wrote: iamp you should post your logs now. I don't find BC scummy atm. I actually agree with what Foolishess said about him earlier, though Foolishness hasn't said much-that in itself was worth remembering. you will have to wait till tomorrow unless palmar is around. I have it saved at work btw since you are not able to produce the logs right now, I am not inclined to believe them given that you have been outed already. The last time someone said this, they were a scum mason (also in a Kurumi game) | ||
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1. heavily implies they are masons in thread just for kicks 2. is not able to produce logs on demand | ||
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I haven't read too much into iamp's posts and the only reason I currently am suspicious of him is because of the fact that he cannot put forth the logs. | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote: bugs you think it's more likely for scum to openly admit they have mancrushes on eachother, compared to town masons? I think this question is loaded, and misses the point. It's not about likelihood in this situation, since Palmar generally does what he pleases. | ||
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Also I'd love it if you ignored me, since I've pretty much been set on doing that to you already ^^ | ||
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And, for the record, if logs exist they may not really mean anything at all if they're full of townreads or questions. If anyone has the time, go dig up Storm mafia and look at how I PMed syllo as scum. I managed to get him to believe I was town very quickly, enough so that I knew who his prot target on n2 was (someone masoned us together). I made sure to fake how I would PM with a townie as a townie, but below the surface I was basically just making stuff up to keep talking as much as possible, to convey the idea that I wanted to put as much effort into finding scum as possible. | ||
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There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative. Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative. | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote: The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing. I disagree with you, see above (but not in conclusion) | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:35 HiroPro wrote: have you read the thread yet bugs? read it once, yeah. On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: man this is why people hate meta cases. There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative. Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative. Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games. I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games. I'm not following you. You might've shown a difference but it's not the difference that matters. You need to be able to explain the difference. Yeah, finding a difference is cool, but that's not the point of metaing someone. Their play could be different for several different reasons. I find it plausible that, if his play this game is different (I haven't checked thoroughly enough to even say that it is) then there is a good chance it is because, in his last game, it didn't go very well for him. | ||
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He only trolls as town when he actually finds it funny, not constantly. | ||
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On January 04 2013 17:37 Palmar wrote: I don't really think Cheesecake is the most productive lynch today. It is a good lynch but I have other ideas. I will elaborate later. logs, bitch | ||
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On January 04 2013 18:28 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 17:38 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 04 2013 17:37 Palmar wrote: I don't really think Cheesecake is the most productive lynch today. It is a good lynch but I have other ideas. I will elaborate later. logs, bitch No, a great town player once told me that keeping my reads private is apparently good town play, so let's do that. cool, you're dying then. Listen guys, Palmar has no logs. He's scum. | ||
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Clearly it's working. | ||
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First of all, Palmar is right now possibly the most anti-town player in the game. Literally no one has a good reason to be on marv right now, and if you have sheeped Palmar you really need to get your head out of your ass and go read a newbie guide. Two things on this point: #1 marv is not a good lynch today. He's a very good asset if he is town and he is quite honestly not that scummy. Certainly he hasn't done much today but you can say this about literally anyone. Nothing in his filter seems to have been motivated by a scum background and everything he has said can be plausibly explained from a town perspective. He's a good enough player that if his reads are bad (they are not) and if he has not done anything for a few days (yes, a couple days-he's a prime night kill target if town) then he should die. I am highly surprised that Palmar is choosing to attack marv on such weak evidence (he basically cherry-picked his filter) when there is, IMO, a much better vet target in the game that you could make a much stronger case on (Foolishness). + Show Spoiler + However I'm not suggesting we kill Foolishness today since he is arguably the best asset for town in the game if he is town, and generally his day 1 is very trolly and lurky #2 BC is not a good lynch today either. His last post conforms to how I think BC actually thinks about the game. I don't think he is necessarily right, as it is certainly possible for Palmar to be of either alignment-for now, I lean town given that Palmar actually took time to make a spreadsheet (and some of the reads make sense) but I don't think he is a good lynch. With all of this said, I think the kill for today should be: Hopeless1der or Meapak. I would prefer to kill Hopeless today, and so I'm not going to comment on why I find Meapak scummy. I think Hopeless is the best lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725¤tpage=2 Looking at Hopeless's posts, he questions a lot and stays mostly under the radar. If you notice, he takes no opinions of his own. He also says things scum are very likely to say: "I don't find this guy scummy, but....idk, it might pigeonhole me later so I might lynch him later!" He said that about literally every player that was brought up. In addition, he took the random lynching VERY seriously, and often the people who take things like that very seriously are either scum or dumb. I certainly don't think Hopeless is dumb, so that leaves scum. Finally, his meta: Here are quotes from 4 different games. Try to note the differences, before I point them out myself, and try to see if you can guess his alignment correctly. + Show Spoiler [game1] + On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote: Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game. My main problem with Release is this post: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote: EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @release Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes. Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet. Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct? Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote: On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote: On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan! I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently. On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote: Lol if muso has a town partner he should claim now to avoid a mislynch... Anything else would be brain dead logic And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed? Also, unanswered questions: Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? Show nested quote + On November 02 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo. ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 03 2012 01:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2012 01:34 Muso wrote: It's 3am here and I doubt I'll be awake for the end of day. It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax This post just strengthens my resolve to lynch you Muso. "If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der." In this scenario, I'm scum for NOT wanting to lynch a townie. Please clarify what you mean if you're still around. On November 03 2012 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote: On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. Huh? Why do you want the vote to be easily manipulatable by scum? 8 is a good number. You are pretty much condoning last-minute shenanigans with this bullshit. Two people switch at the last second and claim they were doing what you wanted, but didn't see the other's switch. It's stupid. 8 is fine, 9 is better for consolidation. Is that a short answer for "fuck it, lynch Muso"? + Show Spoiler [game2] + On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: @Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue. Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! @Jingle - Well, I didn't (and still don't) know to what it refers. I'd google it, but if its anywhere as bad as it seems, doing so from work is probably a bad idea. This better not give me nightmares... On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote: On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: @Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue. Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! What do you mean? I don't see a contradiction here... What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined.. - There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another. Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later. On July 05 2012 10:19 Hopeless1der wrote: This will be a good test to see how a bandwagon gets started then I suppose. Jingle's done this before, just calling someone out based on their name being strange or the icon next to their name. The early posts are just random crap to get people talking. His post about lurkers is suspicious, but if we let people lurk, there's going to be some scum in the pile. Throwing an early lynch at lurkers forces them to be more active, so there is more chance at scumslips instead of nothing to go on at all for those players. They all look scummy when they say and do nothing. The last couple games I've played/obs'd have been riddled with people being replaced and lurking and it completely screws with town's ability to make consistent reads. However, most of those games were majority lynch so the lurker problem had a much bigger impact. If we have scum reads we should definitely push them. I don't think a lynch lurker mentality is that beneficial to town given our voting system. Any lurking scum can jump on any suspicion very easily and not look any worse than the next lurker that just follows the pack. Good scum reads will force them out of the woodwork to cast suspicion on someone else. And I'm still not casting a vote as we're still waiting on 4 players to make a post and for Evulrabbitz and zen_man to do something relevant. The way rabbitz has disappeared concerns me as he ducked out just as we started getting to the not completely useless posts. + Show Spoiler [game3] + On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote: On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote: On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote: I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually.
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote: Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up ...Jingle, you can read just fine. Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote: On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote: Why don't you like wherebugsgo? Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) On August 04 2012 08:58 Hopeless1der wrote: At a quick once over, Zeph is looking scummiest right now, but Hier just broke my sarcasm meter. While I'm fixing it I'll be looking more closely at Zeph within the next couple hours. Meanwhile, ##Unvote: Glasse Sounded like a straightforward read of wbg, considering wbg just shat all over the "mason claim" discussion. I don't like that he jumped to the conclusion that bugs is scum, but at least something to back it up, so Glasse checks out so far. EBP (Edit before post) and oh crap we already lost a townie. Role of Zorkmid is Townie or 'unknown'? Its green so I assume townie, but I'd like to confirm. On August 08 2012 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I sincerely apologize for my lack of activity. In hindsight I should have requested a replacement as my co-worker went on vacation and I've been working stupid amounts of overtime to make up for it. I will be more active from tonight going forward (still at work right now). My reads today are that between Erandorr, VE and Bugs, there is likely to be scum and I think that it's Erandorr right now. The case against bugs is largely his meta, which I am not familiar with. His mason debacle could go either way, his rage as well. All WIFOM and perhaps "Anti-Town" but NOT the same thing as "Scummy" to me. More trolling than anything else, and look what happened to master troll Grush. This is not enough for me to want to vote him. VE is (or was) vehemently against voting bugs:+ Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP. This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. With people meta'ing, hes apparently suspicious due to his lack of activity, which he says is due to his mason role, and sounds plausible to me. His case against Erandorr makes much more sense to me than Eran's defense of it. Eran tried to accuse VE of neglecting questions and received a prompt response, and Erandorr takes it out of turn to dispute it. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 10:48 Erandorr wrote: VE, wtf. Can you please look at those quotes in context? 1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him 2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer. 3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see. 4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts" Show nested quote + No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about Show nested quote + Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!! Liar. About the "wifom" I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia. I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are WBG VE Jingles Broodking Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? ) ##Vote wbg I am out, good luck with the game. The main point is he paraphrased VE in the nested quote's "I don't give a fuck" sentiment when VE was specifically referring to the MASON stuff. This occured AFTER the second quoted post, which was followed by: Show nested quote + On August 07 2012 09:31 Erandorr wrote: 2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore? Wasn't the mason thing the whole reason Eran thought bugs was scummy at the start? (Or "anti-town") Erandorr's attempt to pass off VE's case as contradictory is incredibly scummy to me, and he immediately says "I am out", leaving no opportunity to grill him further. Based on this interaction, I find VE to be townie. ##Vote: Erandorr On August 09 2012 02:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2012 02:17 talismania wrote: On August 09 2012 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote: That to me looks like VE is angry with you and wants you to pay for almost mislynching him. If you flip town, we'll be hard pressed to pick between him and bugs for who to lynch tomorrow after the whole eran-ve-bugs triangle. I don't know about the 'make up for my folly tonight'. I'm expecting an epic case near the deadline right now. tbh I'm expecting 3 or 4 cases right around the deadline tonight, plus the rest of the mason logs. what do you mean "if I flip town" and then "lynch tomorrow"? You know something about the NKs that I don't? I don't know anything about the NK's. I was making an inference based on the situation you described with him coming up with a vig shot on you. If you were to somehow get shot tonight, you said you suspect VE of having a hand in it, though you can't understand how thats possible if he's a mason. You being shot (by him) would assume hes scum. My comment about the lynch tomorrow was that in no way does you flipping town confirm him as scum. I'm still of the opinion that at least one of VE-Bugs-Eran is scum, and since eran has flipped town my choices there are down to two. + Show Spoiler [game4] + On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote + As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote: It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase:I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote: Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him. I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite + Show Spoiler + Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic On September 05 2012 03:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Because it's not necessarily a mistake at that point, its just a fake-claim. It kind of makes sense for an assa to do it, but not for a blue because scum have no way to track visits. We've since learned that Nosy Neighbors are not self-aware. Mistake or not, the fakeclaim was made by MATTCHEW. Not some random player, but specifically the one that Toad referred to and referred to again when you continued to poke at him. And Rewok, Show nested quote + On September 05 2012 03:08 Rewok wrote: Ottox - This is a lot of fighting for a random townie. Seems like a really specific save. If Mattchew turns up Mafia, my next vote is Otto, for sure. Likewise, I'm not voting Ottow if Mattchew turns up green / blue. That's a stupid way to look at things. Do you think Ottoxlol is legitimately trying to save Matt or just being a jerk because he won't read. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote: need an honest answer. What do you consider worse: a) People not thinking while posting / reading b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him. Ninja'd by Toad. Oh well. On September 07 2012 01:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2012 09:04 DoYouHas wrote: Now that we are sure about Matt, I think I have found scum in Hopeless1der. Hopeless and Broodking are the two people who posted cases on people other than Mattchew (Forumite and Toad, respectively) in the time period between when BC's attack and Palmar's confirmation. This I think is a very important period of time because the uncertainty of the town on how to deal with BC and Matt makes it the best time for scum to try and divert the wagon of their scumbuddy. Both Hopeless and Brood's cases could have been made with that intent, but I see Hopeless as scum easier than I see Brood. Brood had expressed his distaste for Toad earlier in the game and just doesn't fit the reluctant busser as well as Hopeless. I have already taken issue with some of his case on Forumite Here. But when you combine his case with the post he made a page earlier. You have to admit that it looks awfully like he is attacking BC (the main proponent of a Matt lynch) and then trying to divert to another target. Not convinced this is what he was doing? Here is the first line of his case on Forumite: On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Moving on to his "voteswitch" On September 04 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.I never actually did vote in the first place, but anyways: ##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: Mattchew 2.Reasoning: See the entire fucking thread. 1. - He never did vote Forumite. this reads to me exactly like he was trying to use his case to divert the Matt bandwagon, and after Palmar confirmed the fakeclaim, is trying to save face. (Funny how nobody seems to call him out for this voteswitch despite searching for defenders of Matt.) 2. - He doesn't seem to happy to be switching to a guaranteed fakeclaim that is very likely scum right here, odd. After Hopeless' vote has settled onto Mattchew I note 2 more things that read scummy to me. First, in these two posts (1)(2) Hopeless jumps at the chance to be the information provider, a very easy way to 'contribute' and with someone as inactive as Hopeless a definite scumtell. Second, On September 05 2012 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote: This waffley statement is definitely something I would expect from scum.-snipped massive nested quotes- The whole point of his case is that you pushing DP wasn't a real scum read, it was errant Day 1 bullshit. Which most of the thread was at that point. I still think he's scummy because that's a shitty case at the time it arose, but it's reasonably consistent, despite the misinformation. To sum up, I think Hopeless1der fits a reluctant busser that is trying to slide by extremely well and I want to lynch him ASAP. In my filter, I have this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 12:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2012 14:34 BroodKingEXE wrote: Nosy neighbor is standard miller(the neighbor doesn't know they are nosy)? Blues have to visit their target as well as Mafia, correct? Check out this post on page 8. It was never answered in thread and it has been edited. In addition, the set-up appears to have been tweaked: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: Due to slight setup tweaks, mafia now has permanent 2kp. It will not change over the course of the game. Take note, however, that no member of the mafia can deliver more than 1 kp, so effectively the mafia will drop to 1kp when there is only one member left. (page 9, again it's been edited) Moral of the story is we don't know and BC needs to stop bullshitting us if he does in fact know something that the rest of us seem to have missed. Followed by my case on Forumite in this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote + As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote: It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase:I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote: Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him. I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite + Show Spoiler + Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic I was not convinced by BC's argument of "You're Lying, You're Scum" and didn't piece together the fact that I would need to PM the mods to confirm the miller self-awareness debacle. That was really stupid on my part but thankfully Palmar dealt with it for us. The thread was in a shitty place and I wanted to focus on something other than just calling people liars. I wasn't necessarily attacking BC, I just wanted him to stop strong-arming the thread and actually put together a coherent thought towards HOW he knew he was right. His argument to me was "I'm right, suck it bitch" and I found that infuriating. (I completely understand why he did it after the fact, fear of modkillage and whatnot). In an effort to get away from that, I made a case on someone I found scummy and put it forth to try to get some other discussion going. Once Palmar confirmed Mattchew's lie, I was 100% behind his lynch and didn't want to waste time being questioned about why. Nor did anyone bring it up, as you pointed out. The reason why I didn't vote for forumite is...I forgot about the voting thread; Whoops? The reason I pointed out the fact I didn't vote for forumite is...I didn't vote for forumite and wanted to be as transparent as possible about what I'd done. I didn't mean to 'fakevote' but it happened and I wanted to make it clear what my intentions were, so I explicitly unvoted Forumite in order to Vote Mattchew. In regards to point (2) I don't seem happy? What the fuck is this statement? How do you determine happiness based on my voteswitch to a confirmed liar? Why should I have to explain the reasoning when its in the thread for the past however many pages ever since BC knew Mattchew was lying. If anything, this would have been me HARD bussing Matt, not reluctantly as you've claimed stated. I will concede that the "provider of information" posts are scummy. It also turns out I -(think)- I was wrong in my discussion with BC(2), I'm sure that's going to make me scum for pushing misinformation. My response to Shady(1) especially looks bad given the length of my filter. Not much I can do to change that now. The waffley statement was me asserting that while I don't think Miltonkram was 'lying' (which you snipped out of the quote btw), I still think he was scummy because his case was complete shite relative to the pace of the thread when he made it. Ergo I think Milton is scum. Is that less waffley? Why does Matt flipping red imply that I'm red as well? Why can't I be continuing to hunt scum? I still think Forumite is scum. My case was not an effort to divert the thread, it was an attempt to focus it. I wasn't around to do so, and feel free to call me scum for not following through before, but wait and see, you'll run out of steam on that front in a moment. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On January 05 2013 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would you say that Palmar is the most anti-town player in the game and proceed to vote for someone else? Like, I get it, you don't know if he's scum or town...but doesn't it follow logically that anti-town = scum? Like, even if his posts and reads left you in doubt, would not his general play (according to you, poisonously anti-town) push him over into the scum column? he's antitown as both alignments, and frequently people are antitown as town. Like, for example, you. | ||
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On January 05 2013 04:34 HiroPro wrote: Let's kill BC. why? Because all of his reads look either wrong or meaningless to me - and that's not something I associate with his town play. Even if he doesn't have time, I still expect actual meaningful thoughts from him and what's he produced so far looks useless. I wouldn't lynch marvel - I have a strong feeling that he is arrogant enough that he actually believes what he's saying. ##Vote BC what the fuck? BC is known for his scum play, he is not very well known for his town play. | ||
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Please tell me which way you would lean with this statement: Yamato being agreeable and not outspoken is indicative of him being scum/not indicative of On January 05 2013 05:33 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote: But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true.On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote: Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case.On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...? I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol. Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right). Palmar is a player who people judge almost entirely by whether he is right or wrong on the lynches that he leads. Which is funny, given that he is often just as wrong as anyone else. He's just extremely obnoxious about taking credit for the lynches where he either gets lucky or was loud enough to get someone who was obvious scum lynched. He's not someone like sandro, you can't judge his alignment based on him being right or wrong. Palmar, I would say, has about a 50% chance of being right. Players like sandro and foolishness I'd put at 80 or 90%. | ||
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On January 05 2013 05:46 yamato77 wrote: bugs an keir scum team spouting nonsense about me being scum you guys have zero insight into my play when did I call you scum? kinda ultra-defensive here. You mad bro? | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:04 Lazermonkey wrote: Wait, where the fuck is Marv? Why is he absent NOW? who knows, he's either pissed off or he's scum who knows he's dead. On January 05 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946¤tpage=84#1672 On January 05 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote: Keir I'm town. it should be obvious. you calling me scum when I vote for Marv based on reasons I have entirely of my own is dumb. I may be wrong but whatever, it's what I think and Marv is getting lynched wut? On January 05 2013 05:14 yamato77 wrote: So this is exactly what I thought was going to happen when I went to sleep. Palmar got his head out if his ass and now looks like town Palmar. Even Marv cannot deny that at this point. BC looks scummy for saying otherwise. By extension this makes me see Marv as more likely to be scum. I don't give a shit about meta on Marv because he is a good enough player to change it, but I do care that his strongest scum read, and indeed the only person he has really tried to push a lynch on, is actually town. Palmar gave the reason that Marv changing his read from null to scum while Palmar is trolling, and this is somewhat indicative of my thoughts on the matter. It was after I pointed out that Palmar wasn't taking the game seriously like he did when I saw town Palmar that Marv decides to attack that angle of his play and vote for him. It worked, I sheeped it, because it was right. However Marv hadn't given any indication before this point that he wanted to lynch Palmar for what he was doing. He had said it was all not alignment indicative. Not to mention that town Marv doesn't get lynched. He said soi himself before the very first game I played with him. Town Marv would never be in this position because by now people would actually have a town read on him. He hasn't done anything to give me that sense of his intentions this game which makes me all the more comfortable with switching my vote off of Palmar and onto Marv. Sorry Marv, but if you're town you haven't done a good job proving it to me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Marvellosity LOL you've done nothing but sheep Palmar. In fact, before Palmar made his case on marv you were sheeping marv in attacking Palmar! Saying you've come to the conclusion by yourself on reasons you made on your own to lynch marv is incredibly misrepresentative of what actually happened in this game. It's not even a good lie. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:16 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:10 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:04 Lazermonkey wrote: Wait, where the fuck is Marv? Why is he absent NOW? who knows, he's either pissed off or he's scum who knows he's dead. On January 05 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946¤tpage=84#1672 On January 05 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote: Keir I'm town. it should be obvious. you calling me scum when I vote for Marv based on reasons I have entirely of my own is dumb. I may be wrong but whatever, it's what I think and Marv is getting lynched wut? On January 05 2013 05:14 yamato77 wrote: So this is exactly what I thought was going to happen when I went to sleep. Palmar got his head out if his ass and now looks like town Palmar. Even Marv cannot deny that at this point. BC looks scummy for saying otherwise. By extension this makes me see Marv as more likely to be scum. I don't give a shit about meta on Marv because he is a good enough player to change it, but I do care that his strongest scum read, and indeed the only person he has really tried to push a lynch on, is actually town. Palmar gave the reason that Marv changing his read from null to scum while Palmar is trolling, and this is somewhat indicative of my thoughts on the matter. It was after I pointed out that Palmar wasn't taking the game seriously like he did when I saw town Palmar that Marv decides to attack that angle of his play and vote for him. It worked, I sheeped it, because it was right. However Marv hadn't given any indication before this point that he wanted to lynch Palmar for what he was doing. He had said it was all not alignment indicative. Not to mention that town Marv doesn't get lynched. He said soi himself before the very first game I played with him. Town Marv would never be in this position because by now people would actually have a town read on him. He hasn't done anything to give me that sense of his intentions this game which makes me all the more comfortable with switching my vote off of Palmar and onto Marv. Sorry Marv, but if you're town you haven't done a good job proving it to me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Marvellosity LOL you've done nothing but sheep Palmar. In fact, before Palmar made his case on marv you were sheeping marv in attacking Palmar! Saying you've come to the conclusion by yourself on reasons you made on your own to lynch marv is incredibly misrepresentative of what actually happened in this game. It's not even a good lie. Bugs you couldn't read me to she your life. Last game you thought I was scum after I made an unopposed Miller claim and lynched the GF day 1. This game I'm being less of an overreactive asshole an now people want to use it against me. Perhaps I sheeped a couple times but the lynches agreed with my own reasoning. If you don't see that in my filter you're just lying. I was trolling you, retard. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:20 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:16 yamato77 wrote: On January 05 2013 06:10 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:04 Lazermonkey wrote: Wait, where the fuck is Marv? Why is he absent NOW? who knows, he's either pissed off or he's scum who knows he's dead. On January 05 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946¤tpage=84#1672 On January 05 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote: Keir I'm town. it should be obvious. you calling me scum when I vote for Marv based on reasons I have entirely of my own is dumb. I may be wrong but whatever, it's what I think and Marv is getting lynched wut? On January 05 2013 05:14 yamato77 wrote: So this is exactly what I thought was going to happen when I went to sleep. Palmar got his head out if his ass and now looks like town Palmar. Even Marv cannot deny that at this point. BC looks scummy for saying otherwise. By extension this makes me see Marv as more likely to be scum. I don't give a shit about meta on Marv because he is a good enough player to change it, but I do care that his strongest scum read, and indeed the only person he has really tried to push a lynch on, is actually town. Palmar gave the reason that Marv changing his read from null to scum while Palmar is trolling, and this is somewhat indicative of my thoughts on the matter. It was after I pointed out that Palmar wasn't taking the game seriously like he did when I saw town Palmar that Marv decides to attack that angle of his play and vote for him. It worked, I sheeped it, because it was right. However Marv hadn't given any indication before this point that he wanted to lynch Palmar for what he was doing. He had said it was all not alignment indicative. Not to mention that town Marv doesn't get lynched. He said soi himself before the very first game I played with him. Town Marv would never be in this position because by now people would actually have a town read on him. He hasn't done anything to give me that sense of his intentions this game which makes me all the more comfortable with switching my vote off of Palmar and onto Marv. Sorry Marv, but if you're town you haven't done a good job proving it to me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Marvellosity LOL you've done nothing but sheep Palmar. In fact, before Palmar made his case on marv you were sheeping marv in attacking Palmar! Saying you've come to the conclusion by yourself on reasons you made on your own to lynch marv is incredibly misrepresentative of what actually happened in this game. It's not even a good lie. Bugs you couldn't read me to she your life. Last game you thought I was scum after I made an unopposed Miller claim and lynched the GF day 1. This game I'm being less of an overreactive asshole an now people want to use it against me. Perhaps I sheeped a couple times but the lynches agreed with my own reasoning. If you don't see that in my filter you're just lying. I was trolling you, retard. this is exactly why Palmar's policy lynch of you made sense to me you're a useless dick who can't play town correctly to save his life haha the vitriol comes out after you've been accused of being scum so funny | ||
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I am 100% behind a Hopeless lynch, however. Marv are you an alignment cop or rolecop? How many uses? | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:24 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:20 yamato77 wrote: On January 05 2013 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:16 yamato77 wrote: On January 05 2013 06:10 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:04 Lazermonkey wrote: Wait, where the fuck is Marv? Why is he absent NOW? who knows, he's either pissed off or he's scum who knows he's dead. On January 05 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946¤tpage=84#1672 On January 05 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote: Keir I'm town. it should be obvious. you calling me scum when I vote for Marv based on reasons I have entirely of my own is dumb. I may be wrong but whatever, it's what I think and Marv is getting lynched wut? On January 05 2013 05:14 yamato77 wrote: So this is exactly what I thought was going to happen when I went to sleep. Palmar got his head out if his ass and now looks like town Palmar. Even Marv cannot deny that at this point. BC looks scummy for saying otherwise. By extension this makes me see Marv as more likely to be scum. I don't give a shit about meta on Marv because he is a good enough player to change it, but I do care that his strongest scum read, and indeed the only person he has really tried to push a lynch on, is actually town. Palmar gave the reason that Marv changing his read from null to scum while Palmar is trolling, and this is somewhat indicative of my thoughts on the matter. It was after I pointed out that Palmar wasn't taking the game seriously like he did when I saw town Palmar that Marv decides to attack that angle of his play and vote for him. It worked, I sheeped it, because it was right. However Marv hadn't given any indication before this point that he wanted to lynch Palmar for what he was doing. He had said it was all not alignment indicative. Not to mention that town Marv doesn't get lynched. He said soi himself before the very first game I played with him. Town Marv would never be in this position because by now people would actually have a town read on him. He hasn't done anything to give me that sense of his intentions this game which makes me all the more comfortable with switching my vote off of Palmar and onto Marv. Sorry Marv, but if you're town you haven't done a good job proving it to me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Marvellosity LOL you've done nothing but sheep Palmar. In fact, before Palmar made his case on marv you were sheeping marv in attacking Palmar! Saying you've come to the conclusion by yourself on reasons you made on your own to lynch marv is incredibly misrepresentative of what actually happened in this game. It's not even a good lie. Bugs you couldn't read me to she your life. Last game you thought I was scum after I made an unopposed Miller claim and lynched the GF day 1. This game I'm being less of an overreactive asshole an now people want to use it against me. Perhaps I sheeped a couple times but the lynches agreed with my own reasoning. If you don't see that in my filter you're just lying. I was trolling you, retard. this is exactly why Palmar's policy lynch of you made sense to me you're a useless dick who can't play town correctly to save his life haha the vitriol comes out after you've been accused of being scum so funny Nah I'm just tired of your trolly shit. And you didn't accuse me of scum, remember? So which is it, Bugs, are you calling me scum or not? You're a waste of time I haven't called you scum, no. But Keirathi did. If I'm a waste of time then go ahead and ignore me. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:25 HiroPro wrote: w/e, your claim doesn't mean anything. I don't understand why you would claim. why the fuck wouldn't i claim? if i died without claiming, people would go "why didn't you claim?" now you have the choice to lynch the uncounterclaimed cop (and i won't be) or someone else. who do you want to lynch? stop moaning and actually do something, please. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:27 Keirathi wrote: bugs, your reaction to the claim is troubling. Show nested quote + On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote: On December 02 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote: On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN! Paranoia, as town, with a town amrv claiming cop. Quite a different reaction here :o that game made me realize that townies claim like shit all the time. In the most recent game (yet another) morbidius claimed cop early d2 and I instantly believed him. The claim is alignment-null IMO. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:29 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:28 wherebugsgo wrote: you actually legitimately believe BC is scum? You think his attack on Palmar is scummy? of course it's scummy. It's completely disconnected from the thread. There's not a chance in hell Palmar is getting lynched, and his reasons for thinking Palmar are scum are terrible. He hasn't pushed an alternate, credible lynch, in fact he hasn't done nothing. It's a really easy post to make because it doesn't mean anything. he routinely pushes people for doing things he finds stupid. He's like Ace in that regard, and honestly I don't have a problem with it because it's almost like an optimistic take on the skill level of mafia players. I do it myself a lot and I can see why; from a scum position Palmar's type of play is excellent. Speaking of Ace, in that one huge game where Ace got modkilled for the betting thing, BC did this exact same thing. BC and Palmar tunneled the shit out of each other and I felt very similarly then as I do now. On January 05 2013 06:32 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:27 Keirathi wrote: bugs, your reaction to the claim is troubling. On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote: On December 02 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote: On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN! Paranoia, as town, with a town amrv claiming cop. Quite a different reaction here :o that game made me realize that townies claim like shit all the time. In the most recent game (yet another) morbidius claimed cop early d2 and I instantly believed him. The claim is alignment-null IMO. You believed morbidius because it was too stupid to be a scum claim. This claim isn't too stupid to be ascum claim, and is very similar to marv's claim in Paranoia :o wtf? the player you reference is the same one playing here! Also, I think a large factor is the difference in game size. In a small game you have much more sway over town and IMO you can swing the lynch away from you without claiming as a good player. In this situation if I was in marv's shoes as a blue I would probably do the exact same thing, as there is no way you can convince 10+ people to switch off you with less than an hour left in the day without a roleclaim. Sure, it's the same thing scum would do, which is why the claim itself is alignment-null. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:49 Palmar wrote: you're all idiots. LOL says the guy who wants to do the suboptimal play. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:52 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:51 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 06:49 Palmar wrote: you're all idiots. LOL says the guy who wants to do the suboptimal play. You see there's at least 2-3 games until I'm listening to anything you say ever. haha and you said I was mad | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:52 Palmar wrote: Seriously fuck this game. Enjoy i'm not going to do fucking shit for the rest of it. You're gullible idiots. hahahahahahahahaha Palmar's so butthurt | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I have the luxury of saying that I have been right about his alignment far more often than he has been right about mine and the only reason I mention this is to make him more mad LOL @marv, while I find meapak scummy I don't think his lynch is happening today. Thoughts on Hopeless? Before you either die or BC does lol | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:58 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar routinely calls me scum, I think he has been right only once. That was over a year ago. And, to use his own words, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. + Show Spoiler + I have the luxury of saying that I have been right about his alignment far more often than he has been right about mine and the only reason I mention this is to make him more mad LOL @marv, while I find meapak scummy I don't think his lynch is happening today. Thoughts on Hopeless? Before you either die or BC does lol Are you proud that you're so bad at town that you're virtually unreadable? only you have failed at calling me town, along with the baddies that sheep you. Players like super, syllo, sandro, and even a lot of the better newer players have never had any problems with identifying me when I am town. I've only been lynched by really sheepish towns, and only three times at that. but it's okay, you can keep your ego, I'm just interested in killing scum | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:25 Foolishness wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I am actually seriously confused atm. The BC day claim thing didn't make any sense Have you read the Brown One's filter? yes, where are you going with this? Have you read mine? Thoughts on Hopeless? Where have you been? I missed you. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 07:25 Foolishness wrote: On January 05 2013 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I am actually seriously confused atm. The BC day claim thing didn't make any sense Have you read the Brown One's filter? yes, where are you going with this? Have you read mine? Thoughts on Hopeless? Where have you been? I missed you. actually perhaps I should elaborate: which Brown are you referring to? I've read both of their posts. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:35 Foolishness wrote: <3 I don't know if Hopeless is bored or mafia yet. The Brown One seems out of character this game. For example: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 05:10 Chezinu wrote: ooc: Guys, I would like to apologize for being one of the first to be suspicious of marv yet being the last to vote. I know its scummy. But it had to be done. PS: You guys remember that time when town started a last minute bandwagon and hopped twice? that was awesome. wtf is this post? Did you read this? On January 04 2013 23:11 Chezinu wrote: Oh wow, I'm shock. You guys are so amazing. I put like no effort in trying to be understood by people, yet you guys still understand me. I thought it was just BC that understood me. Now, Palmar... I am also surprised that you, Palmar, are focusing on similar suspects as me. Maybe this telepathy things isn't totally nonsense... or rather the mafia are being read too easily. I was suspecting marv of being mafia earlier. Remember that 3 name list. The first two names represented the arguments between y-man and thraw. As BC correctly deciphered, I am suspicious of thraw as imaperfection correctly mentions in the log due to the Chezinu Rule. I included marv on the list because I was suspicious of him. Yet, I didn't want to be bias. As most people like to assume marv is typically town. I think I'm bias in wanting to assume he is scum. I wanted to give time for this. If you are wondering why I'm not taking in code, it is because most of my hidden thoughts were seen through. PS: How did you know I thought you were town Palmar? I don't remember typing that... but then again, I just type my thoughts randomly. I also like you Palmar cause you don't read the OP either! I haven't read it yet this game. wait... it seems the tradition of talking about the setup has died. I never participated in it, but that is usually when I spent my time reading the rules. Because talking about seemed lamed, unless of course you fake claim and act all chezinu... hehe. Your usual policy lynch surprisingly obtained alot of attention this game. It seems like I'm playing on two different levels this game. One level with fun and humor with reading the vet like you and BC. And the other... wait actually I'm not catering at all to the new players.. I wonder if they even understand me.. lol! Now, I will have to hide some more messages and see if you guys can rise to the challenge. Oh! I will play my usual redherrings along the way to make my posts appear as trash. But you should know by now which ones are real and which are not. Btw, I'm speaking English! I'm not Encrypting anything! right? Assuming there is a rule against that...hmmm I guess I'll read the rules now! I will provide a hint to the new guys about knowing which posts are real. Usually the ones that are one sentence jokes or the ones that come in pairs of threes are nonsense.. How one comes in pairs of three... that is the riddle you must solve perhaps I used the word pair just for fun and it just means three... Cause that would just imply that I'm simply bored and just posting random posts for attention so that I have someone to talk to cause its late at night and I live in darkness with little to no contact... or rather I was just bored and wanted something to talk about to simulate the mind. Perhaps it is my Chezinu way of letting everyone in the thread know that I have read the thread without actually having or wanting so say anything of importance. Its like I'm there saying I'm am here willing to troll with you or answer your questions as long as I like them. so, good luck reading me. As you guys have been very impressive this game, I'm sure you can figure it out. I don't know if there's anything to read into it, tbh. Enlighten me. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:55 Foolishness wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah they do, he found a need to justify his vote on marv. He even said it himself that he was one of the first people on marvellosity. do you think marv is scum? | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, I'm down with killing Meapak. 100% oh look, another opportunist | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:02 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, I'm down with killing Meapak. 100% oh look, another opportunist why don't ya, i dunno, comment on my superawesome case rather than VE agreeing with something superawesome? I already think Meapak is scum, I don't need to be convinced. | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 08:04 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 08:02 marvellosity wrote: On January 05 2013 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote: On January 05 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, I'm down with killing Meapak. 100% oh look, another opportunist why don't ya, i dunno, comment on my superawesome case rather than VE agreeing with something superawesome? I already think Meapak is scum, I don't need to be convinced. Then how is my agreeing that he can die opportunism? In fact, what was the point of that post anyway? Was it specifically and exclusively to piss me off? because you are willing to lynch anyone. You are also willing to bus your teammates as scum, so the fact that you display willingness to lynch someone scummy isn't really indicative of anything at all. It's your manner that's opportunistic and that is generally scummy. | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:04 Foolishness wrote: lol It's like everyone who looks suspicious has accused Tunkeg of being mafia hahaha I noticed that too. He's easy lynchbait, that's probably why. | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I am NOT willing to lynch just anyone. I wouldn't have lynched you today, for example, in spite of being a HUGE PRICK to me most of the time. I didn't want to lynch Palmar or Marv yesterday, and pushed BC, one of my idols, instead. There's a HUGE list of people I wouldn't have lynched yesterday. You're just making shit up to make me look scummy now. Yes, I've been free with my vote. But no, I am not willing to lynch just anyone. lynch all liars. On January 04 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Er.....yeah, I can vote for Palmar. Are we sure we don't wanna lynch Toad guys? On January 04 2013 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote: PS, I was super interested to see where that little Palmar/Foolish dialogue was going. I was disappointed in both parties. On January 05 2013 02:47 VisceraEyes wrote: My push on Toad, my general activity, my insecurity about certain things...there are several things that should/would have tipped off a townMarv. On January 04 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Foolishness - LOL Palmar - /facepalm supersoft - started out strong, puttered out. MZ - Clearly not even trying. Null. BC - ....hold me. Marv - I'm sensing disappointment. Usually means scum. VE - Townie town towningtons. Toad - Is scum. Kill it. | ||
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On January 05 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Mindless? MINDLESS?! No, not mindless. But whatever, you've been tunneling me all game. That's a good skill to have. LOL what?!!? | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:30 Chezinu wrote: Wisdom of the Brown Telling the difference between blue and red is hard sometimes. Unless, your red. Then its easy! I'm black... I think we have a problem here. | ||
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On January 05 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote: Lynch bugs, he's the SK. you know, I feel like SK fits my playstyle perfectly. Only once I've rolled SK and I was afk for 80% of that game since I was so busy haha. | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:07 Vivax wrote: @ Bugs I have just read your case on hopeless. Were his posts from other games town->scum->town->town ? pretty close. 3/4. Any other guesses? Step right up, show your skills at the game of "Meta Me: Hopeless1der Edition!" | ||
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What does one propose we do about the tube problem? | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:30 Foolishness wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Foolishness wanna take a try at my newfangled game? I think you'll like it Satisfaction guaranteed. What does one propose we do about the tube problem? It's really easy actually. Here's his filter from this game: This Game Here's his filter from Mafia XLVII: XLVII They look pretty similar don't they? Guess what role he was in XLVII? LOL I remember that game. You're right. He's basically a free lynch tomorrow if things get hairy. | ||
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On January 05 2013 10:21 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Foolishness wanna take a try at my newfangled game? I think you'll like it Satisfaction guaranteed. What does one propose we do about the tube problem? Scum -> Scum -> Town -> Town Too easy. winner winner chicken dinner!!! and guess what, hopeless rolled scum again rofl | ||
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anyway I'm gonna cut down on this pointless posting now, I am just a bit loopy I think lloool. | ||
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On January 05 2013 17:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hey guys I'm not scum. Just getting that out of the way so we don't waste time tomorrow. damn, that was really convincing. | ||
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On January 05 2013 17:36 yamato77 wrote: Hey bugs will you lynch marv? why/why not? if he doesn't improve his play tomorrow, I might be convinced. However, I am almost sure that there will be a better lynch. If either of Hopeless and tube are alive tomorrow they will both make better lynches IMO. | ||
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Doesn't really say anything about his alignment-either he cools off and comes back or he actually gets modkilled/replaced. We should ignore him for now I think. | ||
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nooooot, we all know he's just gonna shit on marv's play like he always does when he's wrong Also I think the modkill for "not playing for your wincon" is honestly bullshit, but whatever. We should certainly kill hopeless or meapak tomorrow. | ||
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Breaking News I am Robin the One-Time Alignment Cop. I checked Jackal58 last night. He is mafia. You better have a god damn good fucking reason to have your vote anywhere other than either myself or Jackal. ##vote Jackal58 | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:40 grush57 wrote: wbg jackal was already obv mafia whyd u do this :'( jackal is so bad at this game that he can play like this as both town and scum. I've seen it myself and I honestly did not want to WIFOM myself out of a jackal lynch by pushing him. That's why I didn't do it, given that I have the power to simply divine his alignment. Hopeless and Meapak, on the other hand, are surely scum and I do not need a check to determine their alignments, given that their metas are fucking easy to read. | ||
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On October 08 2012 03:28 Kurumi wrote: [b]The roles might have from one to infinite use, this does not apply to vigilantes because they always have the specified amount of bullets. also we already had a one-time cop flip. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:47 Djodref wrote: @ wbg Do you have any breadcrumbs ? no, I don't breadcrumb unless I'm scum, cause breadcrumbing is a good way to get shot. | ||
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However, there's no reason at all to do anything but simply claim my check, since I am a one-shot use cop. I'm glad to take a bullet from scum, given that a 1 for 1 trade is incredibly beneficial for us. As Toad mentioned, the chance that there was a framer in the game last night is incredibly low, given that 3 cops flipped. Why would scum use a frame after that? | ||
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Start thinking for yourselves. Hopefully if you do that, you'll realize why I checked Jackal, why I am pushing hopeless and meapak, and why I defended both marv and BC. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + fuck yeaaaaaa | ||
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On January 12 2013 01:51 kushm4sta wrote: also town loss was 70% ve's fault I hope this is a troll, because that's not true at all. | ||
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On January 12 2013 07:27 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2013 07:26 Vivax wrote: Hopeless improved towards the end when he started defending himself. Other than that (before) he looked like he wanted to stay in the background. But hindsight impressions are always strong. I meant I figured out he was town night 1. I had considered shooting him, mostly sheeping bugs case. But when I went back and looked through his filter and compared it to his filter of his previous games, it was much much more similar to his townie mindset than his scum one. Edit: Also, I was in the game for not much more than 24 hours. That's probably why you thought I didn't "stick out" or whatever. yeah my hopeless push was based on my first impression of him, though he wasn't my strongest read. (that was jackal) I was shot right after I saw your post and I agreed with you about your assessment that he was town at that point. | ||
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On January 13 2013 08:25 supersoft wrote: of course not!!! my only real policy is "don't lynch potentials early"... even d2. Of course its demotivating for scum, if they lose one good player, but usually good players get caught easily later on. The chance you catch someone who just is ill or something else is extremely high :D € yeah and therefor i shot wbg, because he was the only one i was scared about in this game :D i don't know... i really was :D hahaha you remember in pyp when I grilled you over your exam or something like that that was soo funny | ||
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