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/in
We'll see how this turns out with my schedule lol
Psh don't worry too much about what college you go to. Worry about just making good grades in high school then being at the high end of your class in college. Most colleges are the same unless you are specializing in a profession (Medicine, Lawyer, *Engineer )
I got some pretty good school offers and declined them. My psats were shit then flopped a good score on the ACT. Currently I'm at a small d1 and it's the same stuff my friends are going over. I went to JUCO my first two years and still dominate anyone in my classes here.
Also, don't due stuff for the sake of being well rounded. Do it for you, for fun. For instance, cite TL Mafia as a hobbie of yours, and explain the intuitive thinking and analysis required to play well
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/out
This game isn't filling fast enough and I have a newbie mini and another mini soon approaching. Sorry Kurumi. If the game is still open after those end I'll jump right back in.
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my name has not been addedeth to the playerlist
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On December 26 2012 06:29 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 19:02 Djodref wrote: Shall we try to break CT mafia length record ? /out Sorry again K man. There is a mini opening up and I just feel more comfortable in minis. I'll probably /replace if you need it though.
im heartbroken prom </3
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On December 29 2012 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So close to joining this but i dunno -_-
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Today I say. If we may. Else my excitement I will have to stay
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*Note to self*
Never have irish car bombs on new years
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Hi guys!
I'll take a look at the thread later tonight
Yours truly, debears
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On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off
On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players.
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On January 03 2013 14:10 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. Care to elaborate on what you're trying to imply here?
Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching
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Btw guys something to note
If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe
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Chezinu the Brown
I love you,
Debears of the Brown
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On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about. I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum. debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this. Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious. tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his: Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:09 tube wrote: hi guys gl im posting like this again this game fuck you all I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him. Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP.
Scum
##Vote Tunekeg
More coming later
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On January 04 2013 00:27 Palmar wrote: I'm scum and he's not on my team. It's a pretty solid proof.
LOL
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THERE MAY COME A DAY WHERE THE HEARTS OF MEN MAY FAIL, AND PALMAR WILL BE LYNCHED.
BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY
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Hey Palmar and Iamp
Hi. *encrypted message placed here*
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On January 04 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 04 2013 02:09 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:06 Chezinu wrote: yamato77 thraw marv What is this supposed to be? Some kind of half-baked scum list? Half-baked because only half of you are on it? ^^ Half-baked because he includes zero reasoning and zero other things besides names of people. Pretty useless IMO. I think you're taking it a little too seriously. And talking about random names will just clutter up this thread even more. If those are his honest scum reads I think the guy is full of shit and totally worthless to town, as he has been basically the whole game so far. That's my point.
Yamato, yamato, yamato
Chez has been pretty helpful so far actually. You gotta go beyond the actual words. Look at what he means in his cryptic messages
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On January 04 2013 08:13 iamperfection wrote: good for you debars
:D
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On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars
Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny
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On January 04 2013 08:20 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny nah
alright. I'll look at him after I post my case of the Ages on Tunekeg
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On January 03 2013 13:58 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:03 iamperfection wrote:On January 03 2013 08:02 HiroPro wrote: he doesn't seem to be reading the thread. what does that say about him to you? seems like he is posting from phone or something he said before he will post more when he gets home. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17407771Iamp was this post referring to supersoft?
IAMP IAMP IAMP IAMP
ANSWER PLZ
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On January 04 2013 02:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:26 Toadesstern wrote: BC you hosted AC. You don't think what we're seeing from Palmar here is in any way what we've seen him do in AC? Ive seen palmar as town run on a mayoral platform and get elected while saying the most anti town and retarded bullshit ever. I have seen him as mafia troll and be apathetic while being called town. Palmar is a player whos attitude means dogshit and the information in his posts or the purpose of them indicates his alignment. Thus far hes done absolutely nothing but clutter up the thread with people talking about him while banking on the fact he wont get lynched. However I have yet to make up my mind if I prefer his lynch over others. I am still sifting through the overall nonsense to get solid reads. Day 1 sucks and too many people are playing like short bus riders.
BC do you not see why he does what he does?
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ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ
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Btw Iamp what are you guys calling your society?
Is it still the Circle of Superfriends?
I will talk over joining you with the rest of The Brown Brotherhood
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On January 04 2013 08:31 Hopeless1der wrote:@Dibbers: Y U Ignroe me? Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Twoone qusetion s: Were you subtly calling me scum earlier? + Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players.
Honestly I'm not sure. I am still not sure.
Your opening posts brought a very serious mood to a very trollish thread. It was way off the feel of the thread. But, it was off the feel of the thread in a pro town manner. At the same time, it would be an easy post for scum. Yet, it would be unnecessary for scum to give direction to the thread at that point.
2 points for town. 1 for scum.
So, while I initially found it scummy, I now feel you much less likely to be scum
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On January 04 2013 05:34 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:54 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:26 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: [quote]
A trolling chez is typically more useful then 90% of the players in a game. You may not like that answer or agree with it but it is straight up fact.
I've never played with him before so I have no idea if this is the case or not. However, this logic is used to defend a lot of veteran players on Day 1, so I don't think it particularly useful to say at the moment. eh? You will find that logic should be shot and burned for all players who are not notoriously trollish regardless of alignment of vet players. IE chez or bill murray. Anyone else trying to pull off the "hes trolling day 1 its fine" argument is retarded. Day 1 people begin the trend of how they will play in a game typically. A day 1 troll is likely going to be a troll all game. The only difference is if they have random insight in their posts. So far only chez's rantings are even remotely interesting / relevant from the trolls. What has he said that has been worthwhile so far? Go read his filter. Im not your translator and hes being insanely direct for his normal insanity. He clearly has posted his reads and even called people out. Find out which ones and *gasp* you might realize his posts do actually contain content. I know who he thinks is suspicious but I have no idea why he thinks that or how he thinks what he's doing is helping town lynch those people. It looks like finger pointing masked by a roleplay facade. But fine, I'll give him time because I have reads that lead me elsewhere. You vouching for him is enough to make me reconsider my position at the moment. Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? So far you seem like a player who is playing straight up, unlike most of the veterans in this game. I have no current reason to mistrust your judgment, and you would know Chezinu better than I would. I don't like what he's doing but that doesn't make him mafia necessarily, and I know I could have a biased opinion because I know his biggest scum read in the game at the moment, me, is definitely not scum. I tend to think veterans who are wrong are scum, but I should know better. Id argue his biggest scum read is thrawn but to each their own. I understand fully why he views you as fishy though. I must say that you are the great scribe! It like you understand my thoughts. I must say I was thinking ##Vote Tunkegbefore anyone brought it up. I chose to keep that thought to myself. I choose the amount of information that I wanted to release. If I strike to hard, they may strike back. Oh how fun the taunting dances are when one does not hold back... I will think about this further. How well can you decipher this I wonder. I feel electrified thinking about the damage one could cause.
Wow Chezinu the Brown
The Brown Brotherhood has telepathy
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Btw guys do we have a separate voting thread?
If not, Could we get a votecount from our always pleasurable hosts?
Spankyou hosts
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On January 04 2013 09:07 marvellosity wrote: debears, I am verily looking forward to this post on Tunkeg.
honestly I'm not.....Already have to read this damn thread :/
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The Case of the Ages: A Statement Against the Dark Lord Tunkeg The Brown Brotherhood Cosigned: Chezinu the Brown and Debears of the Brown
Alright guys, based on the quality of the thread day one: I have come to two conclusions
The majority of the troll players are more likely town. The serious players who are disruptive are most likely scum. Also, note that I don't care if the troll players are scum right now. That means they have no say in our town discussions, which is a good thing. If they are town, they have a chance to come back and contribute.
There is one person who is most definitely taking this game seriously, yet is probably the most disruptive person in the thread.
That person is Tunkeg.
There are a few things I want to point out about him:
1) His lack of actual reads 2) Bad reasoning on his posts with actual reads 3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game) 4) His difference in these from previous games
Together, these add up to one simple thing: he doesn't actually care to figure out others in this game and promote a good town atmosphere
1) His lack of actual reads
Here are some sample posts of his roundabout reads in game
+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/e On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything. Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad. Leaning scum on you bro. Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Obviously, he wants to stress how he isn't making a read to piss people off. Still no read. On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 09:12 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:08 yamato77 wrote: Marv I understand now.
As for actual scum, I think hopeless looks pretty bad right now. Toad pointed the post out earlier and I think he's been pretty useless despite not wanting us all to waste time.
I have to go so that's my thought on the game for now. Be back later with some updated ideas. You think hopeless looks pretty bad now? For not wanting the thread to waste time on a silly policy lynch? Line up the reasons. Don't just spit this out, without any reasons behind it. What ewxactly is scummy about it. Please explain... It was a pointless post. All he says is "guys stop wasting time." And now he's gone, being useless. He hasn't said anything meaningful himself. Cognitive dissonance, if you will. Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. A more serious tone. No actual read.
But hey, he loves talking of previous games
+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 22:31 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 03 2013 18:35 Palmar wrote: The Tunkeg wagon is awful. My thoughts. It takes damned skilled scum to face off the entire thread and Tunkeg not that crafty (no offense intended) Its a bad lynch. Not sure who I'd lynch at the moment. I've a handful of townreads and intend to narrow as the day wears on. I'll tell you one thing, I for damn sure wouldn't change my meta when rolling scum. I would do the exact same thing I allways do. So if this an arguement for me being town you will be surprised when I finally role scum. Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe its because I'm just keenly aware how easy it is to mislynck a townTunkeg... It is not, it is hard as fuck. It took half the scumteam tunneling me, spearheaded by probably the one player who got the most leverage on TL Mafia atm. And I didn't even bother defending. I have been mislynched twice. Once on day 2, which shouldn't have happend if I had bothered arguing. Once endgame, where I wouldn't have been mislynched had the player with the final vote cared to apply more logic than emotion to his vote. I am however allways under heavy fire day one. But in the end I never get lynched. The reason for this is that the reasons for wanting to lynch me is allways thin at best and based on poor logic. On January 03 2013 22:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:34 marvellosity wrote:On January 03 2013 11:32 Clarity_nl wrote: You're saying it's just as likely he reverse-reverse-reverse-psychologied as it is that he reverse-reverse-psychologied? What do you think of Tunkeg? I'm saying there's no point talking about ti because he could easily say such a thing as either alignment i don't think much of tunkeg, maybe lean slightly town because he had another go at me when probably by now he would know that he'd always lose if he took me on. but it isn't much. Hah, the only time I have lost against you is when I didn't bother taking you on. If anyone had bothered taking you on in that last game you'd been exposed. In fact I think I will just point out every time you say something illogical this game, just to keep you honest. And then maybe, just maybe if you happend to have rolled scum this game as well there will be someone daring enough to make a case on you. On January 04 2013 07:58 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote: @Tunkeg
I used to think like you're thinking right now. And I SHOT BC IN THE FACE for it. He was town. I was an idiot.
I can assure you none of the vets are "being lazy" unless they're scum. They're reading the thread and coming to conclusions, rather than spouting off at the mouth at every fucking post. There's a reason you get lynched every game Tunkeg, and it has nothing to do with "idiot towns sheeping idiot vets". It has everything to do with your moronic idea that being a douchebag to everyone is the way to get them to listen to you. I got news for you friend, that's not how it works around here.
People listen to the vets because they have, at some point, proven that they know what they're talking about. Have you? Then how about you worry about how YOU play rather than calling vets "lazy" and "bad for town" just because they're not calling people idiots three times on every fucking page? LOL, I don't get lynched every game, get your facts straight, I have gotten lycnhed twice in mafia, thats it. Also are you implying that the rest of us isn't reading the thread, which is wrong. The difference is that we are required to post reasons behind our votes, why the fuck should not the "good" players be required to do so? Yes, I think Foolishness is being incredible lazy for just posting two posts thus far, and only throws down a vote on Toad without any reasons. Yes, I think Palmar plays incredible wierd and stupid this game, if he is town it is just unnecessary. If you want to worship them, then be my guest, I won't, I want them to earn it every fucking game they play, just like Palmar did in our last game.
There's no reason to keep bringing up your past games multiple times for shits and giggles if you are actually trying to figure this game out
2) Bad reasoning with actual reads
He has 2 notable posts with reads in his whole 3 page filter.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about. I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum. debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this. Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious. tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his: Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:09 tube wrote: hi guys gl im posting like this again this game fuck you all I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him. Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP. 1) I actually liked his reasoning on Palmar in this post. However, he soon after completely goes back on that On January 04 2013 00:45 Tunkeg wrote: You know what. Fuck it. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar.And now Palmar is being so careless and stupid that I want him gone as well.
##Vote: Palmar Mind you that that is only 30 minutes after the first post if I read correctly. 2) Look at what he says on me and clarity 1. His suspicions are based on meta 2. His suspicions are based on a half day of comparison to meta 3. He only takes meta from one game 3) Here, let me throw in the obvious easy lynch candidate who will create no controversy in lynch when we can vig shot him This is not townie analysis at all. So half hearted and faked it makes my scum-dar ring loud
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 00:19 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 23:54 Adam4167 wrote:Ill answer both of you at once. I am suspicious of dabears. Dabears felt the need to highlight that Hopeless was not interested in a random lynch, then quoted the statistics from the TL mafia database. Dragging out that statistic accomplished exactly nothing. Was he trying to insinuate that Hopeless was mafia for choosing what would appear to be a sub-optimal tactic? Was he implying that Hopeless has faulty logic that needs to be corrected? Who knows, he wrote nothing along with it. It was just posting for the sake of filling up space. After I questioned him on it, he replied with: On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote: Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching Firstly, its not clear, as I pointed out above, I can think of at least two reasonable explanations for putting those quotes together. Secondly, if this is what he believes (and what is apparently true according to statistics), why is he not advocating a random lynch? as by his own postulation, this is the more successful route for town to take. He has since ignored my queries on whether he finds this to be alignment indicative. I am also suspicious of Clarity. I cant put my finger on what it is exactly, but I just don't get the same feeling from his posts that I did in Chrono or Hero when he was just blindingly town. Ill see where he goes over the course of today. This is a great post from you. I was about to write you up as suspicious for not really contributing, when going through your filter. This is the kind of thining I expect from town-Adam. What is the reasoning for making this post as town? This makes no sense. 1) It's a town read 2) It's a town read based on one post 3) It comes halfway into day 1 There is no reasoning for a townie to do this at all.
3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game)
Look in his filter for most of these. Here are a couple
On January 03 2013 22:45 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 22:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 03 2013 22:38 Adam4167 wrote:On January 03 2013 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah let's lynch Jackal instead Interesting choice for someone who didn't want to lynch a vet. Why did you pick him specifically? If he's a vet I am not aware of it. I basically picked a random lurker whose name I did not know. Tunkeg, do you ever get bored of your own whiny voice, explaining how you're so amazing and the only mistakes you've ever had were because you weren't trying. Hero wasn't "half the scumteam tunneling you for the entire game" it was simply "the scumteam going for the easy target", because that's what you are. You never pinned marv as scum, even as you were getting lynched by him you were just calling him arrogant and smug and all this other shit. Stop bitching, fuck. Will you ever stop sucking up to the vets of this game? Fuck
On January 03 2013 10:10 Tunkeg wrote: VE why are you humping marvs leg this hard? Is your strat this game to copy everything marv does?
Playing thread cop is fucking stupid for a townie. Especially when you get in 1 on 1 fights with people and you aren't actually refining reads out of them. Scummy as shit.
I want to add in that the above three main points are the only thing in Tunkeg's filter. He has no content.
4) His difference in these from previous games
Let me show you a couple of his posts in Hero Mini. What do they show? Him trying to figure shit out and give reads + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote: So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:
Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.
I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote: alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote: I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general.
It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Djodref I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote AdamPS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy.
Granted, the second was a martyr post. It still shows how he is capable of making reads.
Another point, when he was attacking someone in Hero for bullshit, he thought they were scum, as shown by his chats with Vivax
+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 06:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:07 Vivax wrote:He's trying to justify every move he makes and being pretty careful in general. Holy shit, he even digs through his own meta to justify his "Ohmahgawdidontwannabandwagon". Meanwhile, he does exactly that, he catches up some sentiment in town and rides it when he feels it's strong enough. Check the filter. Until his "hit the bed" post, upon which he voted for me, he never updated his stance on thrawn, he never got the response he's been expecting from him. In theory, jay should have commented on my posts about thrawn, if not even supported them. But when he has to defend himself, he posts all sorts of shit. When he has to vote for someone, he never does it on his own initiative. Additionally, he tries to moderate other people. Another thing by jay in his last post: Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke Same shit as with Tunkeg. He says that thrawn himself said it was a joke. Bullshit. Find the line where he says that. They both didn't even read. But unlike Tunkeg, Jay felt that thrawn was a liar and scum, and voted for him when others did. I never said that Thrawn himself said it was a joke. I said it was a joke, meaning I think it was a joke. So try finding the lines yourself before you ask others to do the same... On December 11 2012 08:04 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:00 Vivax wrote: Z-Boson, it's not fair. You stalked me with your questions about Tunkeg, but both of us still don't know anything about what Tunkeg finds scummy about these two. He apparently even didn't read your case.
Be nice and question him thoroughly, too, I'll go make a sammich. Are you not reading my posts at all? Just throwing out some random questions, I wrote in my first post what I found scummy about them, and I elaborated in my reply to you. I made my suspicioun on Djordref before Z-Boson's post, why would I need to lend any arguements from Z-Boson? On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:09 Vivax wrote: Tunkeg, for whom of them would you vote right now if you had to? I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes.
and his arguments with WBG
+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 17:18 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 16:06 Tunkeg wrote: Lol WBG. In these games you are linking to, and others games like it, haven't you been the one complaining about me posting readposts like that? And also me posting "useless" questions? And now you say the same play you labeled as bad and useless actually was scumhunting?
If you want me lynched for meta fine. But don't try to convince the thread you were a fan of my previos play. just because I think something is dumb doesn't mean I think it's scummy. I don't recall ever seriously calling you scum in those games. Not to mention, in AC I was scum. Nice fail response, scum. On December 11 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum. On December 10 2012 10:29 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? VE gimme your thoughts on thrash After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn. On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote: any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote: If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers. Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says. But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case. He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation. On December 10 2012 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice sonAnd it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ? Hey Djo can you do us all a favor and type in your vote here when you decide to vote for someone one in the voting thread. It would help out alot and i rather not have to check it till the end of the day. The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else. So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this... On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote: On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them." "I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.) ....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die. ##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: jaybrundageI'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings. This is a huge derail if I've ever seen one... VE you have nothing to comment on Tunkeg or anyone other than jay? On December 11 2012 16:24 jaybrundage wrote: Hm so the "easy" bandwagon rolls. I finished watching palmars video ( YOU'RE video was educational to say the least) although YOUR in need of a better way to record video it got really pixely when you scrolled. ha ha suck my grammar.
In response to my badly thought out posts. I was trying to put pressure on thrawn to explain his reasoning. While my threats may not of been great I did eventually got thrawn to explain himself. Its odd people say that I was going back and forth with my view of thrawn. And honestly i didnt know what the hell he was. However i did think it was anti town. But enough of that. Tmw i will reread some of the cases and give my thoughts on which one i will support.
However if i do get lynched which seems likely i would ask people whats the next step when i flip town. But ill do my best to prevent that from happening. I'm curious, did you capitalize "you're" and "your" to demonstrate how much you don't understand how to use the two? :p + Show Spoiler +haha I just found that really funny for some reason So you want me to do dumb things is that what you are saying. I know you treat this game like a schooldebate, where winning the arguement is more important than actually being right. And I know you like to twist and turn stuff to make your arguements look good. But that don't fly with me, stick to facts (like: Tunkeg is not playing exactly like he did in this and this game), don't try to strengthen your arguements with lies (Like you now saying you think I was scumhunting in those games, when you clearly stated how useless it was back then). If you stick with what is true you should be able to lynch me if I were scum. If you start presenting lies and twisting words you might get me lynched even though I am town. On December 11 2012 17:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 17:26 wherebugsgo wrote: also I love how Tunkeg treats me like town when he responds to me, as if he already knows my alignment.
hehehehehehehehe I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth. On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote: Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum".
WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video.
Notice the difference in how he argues with people he finds scummy and not just randoms or people who he think is town?
In the three people he found suspicious (Palmar, me, Clarity), he hasn't made any kind of argument. He's avoided talking to us.
Also, notice how more outright he is with reads and calling people scum compared to this game?
Also, looking at his other games in his profile, I would say he is definitely more open to giving reads and more compliant with others overall.
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iamp what time did you guys started talking? TL Mafia KST please
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On January 04 2013 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote: debears in mafia, tunkeg: 1) had no reads 2) when he had reads they were badly reasoned 3) flung shit all game, even on townreads
4) This is the only point that sticks but I find it hard to find a perspective that makes him scum for it, his two different posts are an "obligatory oh shit I entered late better produce some stuffs" and a martyr post, his argument with bugs, while true, only really happened after tunkeg had some pressure on him.
So debears let me ask you this, you pointed out the differences between tunkeg's play this game and in hero, but how does it make him scum?
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1) His play is different from his town games 2) His play is scummy on its own
TADAAA!!!!
3) He is scum
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We aren't masons. We aren't talking (besides telepathy)
I'm just roleplayin with Chez cuz I love Chez
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On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote: The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing.
do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least?
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On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: man this is why people hate meta cases.
There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.
Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative.
Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games.
I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games.
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On January 04 2013 12:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:33 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote: The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing. do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least? In Hero he didn't give reads until he was about to get lynched basically. He was easy lynchbait the whole game. Of course his play is scummy here, just like it was in Hero. He might even be scum, I dunno yet. Nothing in your case made me go "a-ha! nice!"
His activity all hero was 3 pages. His day 1 was 1 page exactly. He has 3 pages halfway into d1 and nothing to show for it
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And Marv, here is his first post of reads
On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about. I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum. debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this. Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious. tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his: Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:09 tube wrote: hi guys gl im posting like this again this game fuck you all I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him. Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP.
How is that any kind of fucking analysis?
This guy wants to policy lynch This guy isn't active This guy is changing his mind often this guy made one statement that scares me
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On January 04 2013 12:40 wherebugsgo wrote:read it once, yeah. Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: man this is why people hate meta cases.
There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.
Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative. Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games. I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games. I'm not following you. You might've shown a difference but it's not the difference that matters. You need to be able to explain the difference. Yeah, finding a difference is cool, but that's not the point of metaing someone. Their play could be different for several different reasons. I find it plausible that, if his play this game is different (I haven't checked thoroughly enough to even say that it is) then there is a good chance it is because, in his last game, it didn't go very well for him.
Alright. Let me try putting it this way.
In hero, he argued with others and stated "hey you're likely scum"
He has argued with multiple people this game, not called them scum, and then named scummy 3 people who he didn't engage with
How is that not different in a scum oriented way?>
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On January 04 2013 12:41 Clarity_nl wrote: debears, how is his post in hero that you mentioned any analysis? Seriously, scum marv jumped on it immediately for being so useless
which one lol. I put 4 in there
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On January 04 2013 14:18 Coagulation wrote: ##vote Jackal58
I'm confuzzed
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On January 04 2013 15:04 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 15:00 yamato77 wrote: Debears you've improved your fake scumhunt techniques but you're still not convincing. Look into my eyes... I sense great anger.... Is it frustration I see? Tension comes from deep within... Relax you mind, let us take control... Debears is with you... you will obey the Brown... Say he is your brother... speak the words...
Yes Yamato. Join us. Become a Brother of the Brown
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On January 04 2013 17:11 yamato77 wrote: Debears give me a read I can believe you actually have.
Well, I am also down to lynch CC.
Iamp and Palmar are trustworthy thus far
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I think we should all just ignore Yamato for a while. Til he gets his head straight and comes up with something good :D
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##votr marv
Follow palmar the wise
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WE AREN'T MASONS DAMNIT. ALREADY SAID IT.
I just like Chez. I decided to join his roleplay society in the meanwhile until the game settles down
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On January 05 2013 15:07 supersoft wrote: english wikipedia found this, though
Mandy (Billy and Mandy), a character from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, an animated television series Mandy (24 character), professional assassin from the American television series 24 Mandy (comic), a DC Thomson girls' comic published from 1967 until 1991 Mandy Salter, a fictional character from the BBC soap opera EastEnders
Lol Billy and Mandy. I actually thought of her boomerang shaped blonde hair
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On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote: this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town)
Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>?
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Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan:
Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track
BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey
Marvellosity (12) Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57
hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo
Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler
tube(1) Vivax
wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58
Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa-
Day ends in 15 minutes.
What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town.
It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv
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Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum?
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On January 06 2013 03:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 03:51 debears wrote: Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum? Maybe you could say exactly which two you are talking about. A lot of people started getting active around that time, because *GASP*, its wakey-wakey time.
Ah good call. It appears one normally posts around that time. The other had not posted within 5 hours, but it would be a reasonable time to post based on location.
However, I do see activity differences from both of these people in their town metas. Voting analysis will commence
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Iamp
Trolling =/= not forming reads. You are being silly.
Also, I would say I have had an easy time interpreting what Chez is saying
CC, based on d1, is a good candidate
Foolish - idk. Does he normally go lurky useless as scum?
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On January 06 2013 04:09 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:07 debears wrote:On January 06 2013 03:56 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 03:51 debears wrote: Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum? Maybe you could say exactly which two you are talking about. A lot of people started getting active around that time, because *GASP*, its wakey-wakey time. Ah good call. It appears one normally posts around that time. The other had not posted within 5 hours, but it would be a reasonable time to post based on location. However, I do see activity differences from both of these people in their town metas. Voting analysis will commence Stupid question: Why are you avoiding naming these mysterious people.
In short, Idk who is scum at this point. I'm not trusting anyone with names, for fear of them being scum and misleading me. If I withold names, then scum can not know if I'm talking of their teammates
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On January 06 2013 04:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:09 debears wrote: Iamp
Trolling =/= not forming reads. You are being silly.
Also, I would say I have had an easy time interpreting what Chez is saying
CC, based on d1, is a good candidate
Foolish - idk. Does he normally go lurky useless as scum? Part of being town is establish that you are town so you push your read you know this debars and you did not do that. You ahve no platform from which to push your read currently but it is encouraging that you didn't straight up omgus like last time but i encourage you to improve and improve quickly if you are town.
I'm not going to get into an argument at this point. I did push my main target: Tunkeg. My case got shot down by multiple people. Reconsider that
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Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now
1) He claimed mason 2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable 3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked 4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips 5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others.
I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true.
However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime
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Hey Iamp what exactly do you mean by one shot mason real quick
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Like, you have one bullet or you can only mason once?
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On January 07 2013 04:46 iamperfection wrote: say debars if you actually think im mafia we are going to take away your newbie coaching privileges because your absolutely terrible if you think that.
Save your insults they aren't needed in this thread
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On January 07 2013 04:55 supersoft wrote: scum obviously aims for almost confirmed townies like keirathi and wbg. during the night you were the only one who fits in that pattern. Shoot confirmed townies... not the worst strategy...
The problem is they would shoot the obvious save when they can nk iamp 2 minutes later without being blocked
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On January 07 2013 04:59 supersoft wrote: i don't know? maybe we're unlucky and you took a vigshot and they have one dayvig left?
That's dumb. That is so dumb. Iamp has looked town, he was an early mason claim with palmar if you actually read back and see how they rode each other. No way a town vig would shoot that
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EBWOP
especially over all the lurkers
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Hey Iamp. What do you think of Djodref?
I have noticed a few things that are alarming
1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games. 2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining
On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC
3) He never pushes BC after that 4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning
On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to.
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actually rereading point 2 I have discoverd I can't read
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On January 07 2013 05:23 iamperfection wrote: @debars
he is a possiblity and you have good point about his activity considering he wanted to break the record he helped to make.
His voting of BC was pure sheeping of marv and ve who pointed out that post by bc was extremly scummy considering the general feeling of the thread and it seemed purely disconnected at the time.
i would want to see more from him but at least his filter isnt pure setup speculation like it was when he was scum last time i remember.
Yeah, but it is filled with worthless stuff, such as this:
On January 05 2013 06:38 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:31 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC where have you been? Working and sleeping mostly. Also I had to get back to my korean life ^^ Things at my job went crazy when I was in holidays in France, and Koreans don't take work lightly. Christmas and New Year are not real holidays over there so I had to get back all thing I was late on when I was not here while being jet-lagged. I went directly to sleep when I came back from work last night. I have my week-end right now though Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ?
On January 05 2013 09:54 Djodref wrote: @ Kei
What do you make out of kush this game ? Especially from a meta point of view...
I found this one extremely odd since he had gone through such lengths to declare kush as town based on meta all d1. Why does he need keir's input if he is an expert on it?
On January 05 2013 23:02 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:46 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote:On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote:On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote: [quote]I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing.
You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing? HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ. It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum. This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush. I also like to bus by the way If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true? I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game. But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay. how does this make sense? you don't think kush is scum because he's not bussing this game? how would you know if he's bussing o.0 Because he would post better cases. Because he would know what to look for. As scum, he would also defend townies. Because this guy loves being right above all. That's the real meta read on scum kush.
see?
and then posts like this
On January 05 2013 22:41 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Marv you shouldn't ragequit replacement. As scum it would be distasteful to even mention that and I think you know that, and as town it's just not cool and also puts an unfair "mod-confirmed townie" in the game. @ ClarityHow a replacement would be "mod-confirmed townie" if marv is town ?
This really doesn't look like town Djo to me
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On January 07 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: oi supersoft I'm gonna mason you during the night cycle so we can just talk things out on IRC.
The person I'm currently masoned to is proving less than useful (maybe afk) I really wish they would get on IRC with me because I'm starting to become really suspicious due to their complete lack of communication or presence in the thread.
In the meantime I'll vote Jackal. Everything else is waiting for the person to get back to me.
It'd be foolish to lynch me today.
We have 30 ppl in this game. I'd say 6-8 blues is a good number for expected amount of blues
With your claim: 7 total
Our current list of power roles: Slow Alignment Cop Slow Cop One-time Alignment Cop Vengeful Vigilante Role Cop x1 *one time mason* (iamp) *full game mason* (MZ)
That's 7. We are tredding on dangerous territory with this number of claims
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Makes sense Djo
MZ LOGS NOW
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On January 07 2013 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: actually read what I wrote debears, and no I'm not posting logs.
You can post logs from early d1 dude. Are you kidding me?
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And considering you aren't gettin lynched over Jackal today, this would be a dumb as shit move by you MZ if you are a full game mason
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On January 07 2013 05:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 05:34 debears wrote:On January 07 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: oi supersoft I'm gonna mason you during the night cycle so we can just talk things out on IRC.
The person I'm currently masoned to is proving less than useful (maybe afk) I really wish they would get on IRC with me because I'm starting to become really suspicious due to their complete lack of communication or presence in the thread.
In the meantime I'll vote Jackal. Everything else is waiting for the person to get back to me.
It'd be foolish to lynch me today. We have 30 ppl in this game. I'd say 6-8 blues is a good number for expected amount of blues With your claim: 7 total Our current list of power roles: Slow Alignment Cop Slow Cop One-time Alignment Cop Vengeful Vigilante Role Cop x1 *one time mason* (iamp) *full game mason* (MZ) That's 7. We are tredding on dangerous territory with this number of claims im no setup expert but if the mafia have the ability to execute all their nks during the day perhaps we have more blues than we would normally have.
It's possible Iamp, but the ones we have are quite powerful so far
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On January 07 2013 05:40 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 05:38 debears wrote: And considering you aren't gettin lynched over Jackal today, this would be a dumb as shit move by you MZ if you are a full game mason Also you are forgetting the medic that should have saved iamp ^^
Ah yes. And Iamp was rbed correct?
So that'd be 8/9 including jk or medic and RB
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On January 07 2013 05:43 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 05:42 debears wrote:On January 07 2013 05:40 Djodref wrote:On January 07 2013 05:38 debears wrote: And considering you aren't gettin lynched over Jackal today, this would be a dumb as shit move by you MZ if you are a full game mason Also you are forgetting the medic that should have saved iamp ^^ Ah yes. And Iamp was rbed correct? So that'd be 8/9 including jk or medic and RB i was not roleblocked
kk.
So 8 then
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On January 07 2013 08:51 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 07 2013 08:09 Djodref wrote:On January 07 2013 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote: debears you still on? have anything to say about my djo case?
specifically the scumslip part It's not a scumslip. I've already addressed it. Do you have any problems with how I've addressed it ? On January 07 2013 07:19 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 07 2013 06:52 Djodref wrote: @ thrawn
Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you.
but cc hasn;t flipped yet, you are saying cc is town? say some more stuff about kush changing his mind on whatever player you're talking about First of all, I'm not saying thet CC is town or scum here. If kush knew CC's alignment, kush wouldn't have backed up. My point is that scum kush knows everybody alignment, and plays in consequence. At that time, if he knew that CC was town or scum, he would have defended him from the beginning or bus him from the beginning and wouldn't have changed his mind.
You are basing a freaking meta town read on his reaction to one person?
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Ok. List of people I want to lynch in order of importance after Jackal
CC Djo Hiro/Miscellaneous
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Guys me and palmar are a scumteam
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Hey palmar what happened to me being super town?
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On January 08 2013 03:46 Promethelax wrote: Look at his scum game fool.
You know I was cc's scum mate in his only scum game right?
This is much more scum cc and much less town cc
You need to look at his scum game. You obviously haven't
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On January 07 2013 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote:Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey
Marvellosity (12) Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57
hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo
Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler
tube(1) Vivax
wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58
Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa-
Day ends in 15 minutes.
What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv This is fishy... Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 03:16 debears wrote:On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote: this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town) Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>? These are the ONLY two posts discussing the Marv-BC voting. Look through debears filter. To me, he seems to be one of the most uninterested players when it came down to the lynch. Playing the good 'ol I-pointed-out-the-flaws-in-my-own-gameplay-and-thus-cannot-be-scum card? Debears just rose on my scum-o-meter.
Look at Hiro's read on me. Look at Laser's post
Does anyone find that they have exactly the same read troubling in terms of the BC-marv thing? Especially when Hiro nor Lazer posted anything about this til very recently?
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Vivax might be scum based on some things in his case guys. Gotta make it all nice and neat for you all
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On January 08 2013 05:39 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:33 debears wrote:On January 07 2013 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote:Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey
Marvellosity (12) Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57
hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo
Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler
tube(1) Vivax
wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58
Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa-
Day ends in 15 minutes.
What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv This is fishy... On January 05 2013 02:31 debears wrote: ##votr marv
Follow palmar the wise On January 06 2013 03:16 debears wrote:On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote: this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town) Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>? These are the ONLY two posts discussing the Marv-BC voting. Look through debears filter. To me, he seems to be one of the most uninterested players when it came down to the lynch. Playing the good 'ol I-pointed-out-the-flaws-in-my-own-gameplay-and-thus-cannot-be-scum card? Debears just rose on my scum-o-meter. Look at Hiro's read on me. Look at Laser's post Does anyone find that they have exactly the same read troubling in terms of the BC-marv thing? Especially when Hiro nor Lazer posted anything about this til very recently? And your point is?
He happens to pop in the thread with a list of scumreads, but suddenly has a read that is very similar in wording to yours. That's not weird at all. Especially considering how bad his reads are and explanations are for them
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On January 08 2013 00:51 Vivax wrote:Let's lynch debears! YES! YES!! YES!!! A) + Show Spoiler +First off, something rather crucial I noticed while digging through debears' filter: + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:25 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 13:58 debears wrote:On January 03 2013 08:03 iamperfection wrote:On January 03 2013 08:02 HiroPro wrote: he doesn't seem to be reading the thread. what does that say about him to you? seems like he is posting from phone or something he said before he will post more when he gets home. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17407771Iamp was this post referring to supersoft? IAMP IAMP IAMP IAMP ANSWER PLZ To which iamp replied: + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote:ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ Open that link and actually go read that post debears was talking about. We see posts by Hiro and marv on the previous page, they talk about killing hopeless, monkey, supersoft. Marv says MZ and Palmar are trolly. Alright, so iamp actually referenced MZ in reply to Hiros' statement that "he" doesn't seem to be reading the thread. It's actually not evident at all who "He" is, in this part of the thread it's like impossible to know if the people talking are actually understanding each other. And yet, debears was immediately satisfied with iamps' answer, even though to me it looks that iamp himself misunderstood who they were talking about. And that gives me reason to believe that debears wasn't interested in pursuing iamp in the first place, he was interested in making pseudo-cases. Debears is less active than he was in Hero as town. About 4 pages filter difference in the same amount of time. His two scum games feel a bit different to his current play, but maybe he's just more experienced now, it's hard to tell since he played scum in two of his first three games. There are more points leading me to believe he is scum: So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to? That is unreasonable to the nth degree. If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point). B) + Show Spoiler +1. He speculated about the NK, placing his suspicion on iamp, just to say that it doesn't matter for him at the moment.+ Show Spoiler +On January 07 2013 04:35 debears wrote: Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now
1) He claimed mason 2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable 3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked 4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips 5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others.
I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true.
However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime Remember that time when he gave Iamp slack without actually looking properly at the talk behind it? Now he's interested in him again, based on scum actions. I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum. It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives? C) + Show Spoiler +2. Policy talk, plus following it would have made it pointless to post something + Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 14:10 Adam4167 wrote:On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. Care to elaborate on what you're trying to imply here? Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching This isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me D)+ Show Spoiler + 3. Wrong setup speculation:+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 17:16 debears wrote: Btw guys something to note
If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules. E) + Show Spoiler +4. Non-committal posts when called out about shit-throwing:+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:31 Hopeless1der wrote:@Dibbers: Y U Ignroe me? On January 04 2013 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Twoone qusetion s: Were you subtly calling me scum earlier? + Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. Honestly I'm not sure. I am still not sure. Your opening posts brought a very serious mood to a very trollish thread. It was way off the feel of the thread. But, it was off the feel of the thread in a pro town manner. At the same time, it would be an easy post for scum. Yet, it would be unnecessary for scum to give direction to the thread at that point. 2 points for town. 1 for scum. So, while I initially found it scummy, I now feel you much less likely to be scum This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me. F) + Show Spoiler +5. Pointless posts:+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 09:03 debears wrote: Btw guys do we have a separate voting thread?
If not, Could we get a votecount from our always pleasurable hosts?
Spankyou hosts On January 07 2013 05:34 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: oi supersoft I'm gonna mason you during the night cycle so we can just talk things out on IRC.
The person I'm currently masoned to is proving less than useful (maybe afk) I really wish they would get on IRC with me because I'm starting to become really suspicious due to their complete lack of communication or presence in the thread.
In the meantime I'll vote Jackal. Everything else is waiting for the person to get back to me.
It'd be foolish to lynch me today. We have 30 ppl in this game. I'd say 6-8 blues is a good number for expected amount of blues With your claim: 7 total Our current list of power roles: Slow Alignment Cop Slow Cop One-time Alignment Cop Vengeful Vigilante Role Cop x1 *one time mason* (iamp) *full game mason* (MZ) That's 7. We are tredding on dangerous territory with this number of claims On January 06 2013 04:11 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 06 2013 04:07 debears wrote:On January 06 2013 03:56 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 03:51 debears wrote: Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum? Maybe you could say exactly which two you are talking about. A lot of people started getting active around that time, because *GASP*, its wakey-wakey time. Ah good call. It appears one normally posts around that time. The other had not posted within 5 hours, but it would be a reasonable time to post based on location. However, I do see activity differences from both of these people in their town metas. Voting analysis will commence Stupid question: Why are you avoiding naming these mysterious people. In short, Idk who is scum at this point. I'm not trusting anyone with names, for fear of them being scum and misleading me. If I withold names, then scum can not know if I'm talking of their teammates Now, here you start downright taking my posts out of context. In the first, it was in no way clear there was a voting thread in the OP. Read the OP again. You obviously didn't Second, that was a response to MZ's mason claim. Setup speculation, along with game analysis, would indicate that MZ is more likely scum than town at this point by: 1) His lack of contribution 2) He claimed when he was at no threat of being lynched today 3) There are a ton of blues already How do you not understand that? Third, if you don't see the logic in asking a veteran player about an anonymous answer, then you aren't reading. It is not clear as day who is town and who is scum at this point or at other points, besides from a few people. If I ask about a possible scumtell, but don't ask who, then you would understand that scum can not mislead me since they won't know who I'm talking about. G)+ Show Spoiler + 6. His case on Tunkeg+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 12:19 debears wrote:The Case of the Ages: A Statement Against the Dark Lord TunkegThe Brown Brotherhood Cosigned: Chezinu the Brown and Debears of the Brown Alright guys, based on the quality of the thread day one: I have come to two conclusions The majority of the troll players are more likely town. The serious players who are disruptive are most likely scum. Also, note that I don't care if the troll players are scum right now. That means they have no say in our town discussions, which is a good thing. If they are town, they have a chance to come back and contribute. There is one person who is most definitely taking this game seriously, yet is probably the most disruptive person in the thread. That person is Tunkeg. There are a few things I want to point out about him: 1) His lack of actual reads 2) Bad reasoning on his posts with actual reads 3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game) 4) His difference in these from previous games Together, these add up to one simple thing: he doesn't actually care to figure out others in this game and promote a good town atmosphere1) His lack of actual readsHere are some sample posts of his roundabout reads in game + Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/e On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything. Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad. Leaning scum on you bro. Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Obviously, he wants to stress how he isn't making a read to piss people off. Still no read. On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 09:12 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:08 yamato77 wrote: Marv I understand now.
As for actual scum, I think hopeless looks pretty bad right now. Toad pointed the post out earlier and I think he's been pretty useless despite not wanting us all to waste time.
I have to go so that's my thought on the game for now. Be back later with some updated ideas. You think hopeless looks pretty bad now? For not wanting the thread to waste time on a silly policy lynch? Line up the reasons. Don't just spit this out, without any reasons behind it. What ewxactly is scummy about it. Please explain... It was a pointless post. All he says is "guys stop wasting time." And now he's gone, being useless. He hasn't said anything meaningful himself. Cognitive dissonance, if you will. Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. A more serious tone. No actual read. But hey, he loves talking of previous games + Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 22:31 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 03 2013 18:35 Palmar wrote: The Tunkeg wagon is awful. My thoughts. It takes damned skilled scum to face off the entire thread and Tunkeg not that crafty (no offense intended) Its a bad lynch. Not sure who I'd lynch at the moment. I've a handful of townreads and intend to narrow as the day wears on. I'll tell you one thing, I for damn sure wouldn't change my meta when rolling scum. I would do the exact same thing I allways do. So if this an arguement for me being town you will be surprised when I finally role scum. Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe its because I'm just keenly aware how easy it is to mislynck a townTunkeg... It is not, it is hard as fuck. It took half the scumteam tunneling me, spearheaded by probably the one player who got the most leverage on TL Mafia atm. And I didn't even bother defending. I have been mislynched twice. Once on day 2, which shouldn't have happend if I had bothered arguing. Once endgame, where I wouldn't have been mislynched had the player with the final vote cared to apply more logic than emotion to his vote. I am however allways under heavy fire day one. But in the end I never get lynched. The reason for this is that the reasons for wanting to lynch me is allways thin at best and based on poor logic. On January 03 2013 22:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:34 marvellosity wrote:On January 03 2013 11:32 Clarity_nl wrote: You're saying it's just as likely he reverse-reverse-reverse-psychologied as it is that he reverse-reverse-psychologied? What do you think of Tunkeg? I'm saying there's no point talking about ti because he could easily say such a thing as either alignment i don't think much of tunkeg, maybe lean slightly town because he had another go at me when probably by now he would know that he'd always lose if he took me on. but it isn't much. Hah, the only time I have lost against you is when I didn't bother taking you on. If anyone had bothered taking you on in that last game you'd been exposed. In fact I think I will just point out every time you say something illogical this game, just to keep you honest. And then maybe, just maybe if you happend to have rolled scum this game as well there will be someone daring enough to make a case on you. On January 04 2013 07:58 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote: @Tunkeg
I used to think like you're thinking right now. And I SHOT BC IN THE FACE for it. He was town. I was an idiot.
I can assure you none of the vets are "being lazy" unless they're scum. They're reading the thread and coming to conclusions, rather than spouting off at the mouth at every fucking post. There's a reason you get lynched every game Tunkeg, and it has nothing to do with "idiot towns sheeping idiot vets". It has everything to do with your moronic idea that being a douchebag to everyone is the way to get them to listen to you. I got news for you friend, that's not how it works around here.
People listen to the vets because they have, at some point, proven that they know what they're talking about. Have you? Then how about you worry about how YOU play rather than calling vets "lazy" and "bad for town" just because they're not calling people idiots three times on every fucking page? LOL, I don't get lynched every game, get your facts straight, I have gotten lycnhed twice in mafia, thats it. Also are you implying that the rest of us isn't reading the thread, which is wrong. The difference is that we are required to post reasons behind our votes, why the fuck should not the "good" players be required to do so? Yes, I think Foolishness is being incredible lazy for just posting two posts thus far, and only throws down a vote on Toad without any reasons. Yes, I think Palmar plays incredible wierd and stupid this game, if he is town it is just unnecessary. If you want to worship them, then be my guest, I won't, I want them to earn it every fucking game they play, just like Palmar did in our last game. There's no reason to keep bringing up your past games multiple times for shits and giggles if you are actually trying to figure this game out 2) Bad reasoning with actual readsHe has 2 notable posts with reads in his whole 3 page filter. + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about. I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum. debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this. Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious. tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his: Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:09 tube wrote: hi guys gl im posting like this again this game fuck you all I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him. Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP. 1) I actually liked his reasoning on Palmar in this post. However, he soon after completely goes back on that On January 04 2013 00:45 Tunkeg wrote: You know what. Fuck it. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar.And now Palmar is being so careless and stupid that I want him gone as well.
##Vote: Palmar Mind you that that is only 30 minutes after the first post if I read correctly. 2) Look at what he says on me and clarity 1. His suspicions are based on meta 2. His suspicions are based on a half day of comparison to meta 3. He only takes meta from one game 3) Here, let me throw in the obvious easy lynch candidate who will create no controversy in lynch when we can vig shot him This is not townie analysis at all. So half hearted and faked it makes my scum-dar ring loud + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 00:19 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 23:54 Adam4167 wrote:Ill answer both of you at once. I am suspicious of dabears. Dabears felt the need to highlight that Hopeless was not interested in a random lynch, then quoted the statistics from the TL mafia database. Dragging out that statistic accomplished exactly nothing. Was he trying to insinuate that Hopeless was mafia for choosing what would appear to be a sub-optimal tactic? Was he implying that Hopeless has faulty logic that needs to be corrected? Who knows, he wrote nothing along with it. It was just posting for the sake of filling up space. After I questioned him on it, he replied with: On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote: Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching Firstly, its not clear, as I pointed out above, I can think of at least two reasonable explanations for putting those quotes together. Secondly, if this is what he believes (and what is apparently true according to statistics), why is he not advocating a random lynch? as by his own postulation, this is the more successful route for town to take. He has since ignored my queries on whether he finds this to be alignment indicative. I am also suspicious of Clarity. I cant put my finger on what it is exactly, but I just don't get the same feeling from his posts that I did in Chrono or Hero when he was just blindingly town. Ill see where he goes over the course of today. This is a great post from you. I was about to write you up as suspicious for not really contributing, when going through your filter. This is the kind of thining I expect from town-Adam. What is the reasoning for making this post as town? This makes no sense. 1) It's a town read 2) It's a town read based on one post 3) It comes halfway into day 1 There is no reasoning for a townie to do this at all. 3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game)Look in his filter for most of these. Here are a couple Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 22:45 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 22:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 03 2013 22:38 Adam4167 wrote:On January 03 2013 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah let's lynch Jackal instead Interesting choice for someone who didn't want to lynch a vet. Why did you pick him specifically? If he's a vet I am not aware of it. I basically picked a random lurker whose name I did not know. Tunkeg, do you ever get bored of your own whiny voice, explaining how you're so amazing and the only mistakes you've ever had were because you weren't trying. Hero wasn't "half the scumteam tunneling you for the entire game" it was simply "the scumteam going for the easy target", because that's what you are. You never pinned marv as scum, even as you were getting lynched by him you were just calling him arrogant and smug and all this other shit. Stop bitching, fuck. Will you ever stop sucking up to the vets of this game? Fuck Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 10:10 Tunkeg wrote: VE why are you humping marvs leg this hard? Is your strat this game to copy everything marv does? Playing thread cop is fucking stupid for a townie. Especially when you get in 1 on 1 fights with people and you aren't actually refining reads out of them. Scummy as shit. I want to add in that the above three main points are the only thing in Tunkeg's filter. He has no content. 4) His difference in these from previous gamesLet me show you a couple of his posts in Hero Mini. What do they show? Him trying to figure shit out and give reads + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote: So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:
Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.
I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote: alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.
Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch. Aye. Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game) generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote: I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general.
It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Djodref I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote AdamPS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy. Granted, the second was a martyr post. It still shows how he is capable of making reads. Another point, when he was attacking someone in Hero for bullshit, he thought they were scum, as shown by his chats with Vivax + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 06:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:07 Vivax wrote:He's trying to justify every move he makes and being pretty careful in general. Holy shit, he even digs through his own meta to justify his "Ohmahgawdidontwannabandwagon". Meanwhile, he does exactly that, he catches up some sentiment in town and rides it when he feels it's strong enough. Check the filter. Until his "hit the bed" post, upon which he voted for me, he never updated his stance on thrawn, he never got the response he's been expecting from him. In theory, jay should have commented on my posts about thrawn, if not even supported them. But when he has to defend himself, he posts all sorts of shit. When he has to vote for someone, he never does it on his own initiative. Additionally, he tries to moderate other people. Another thing by jay in his last post: Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke Same shit as with Tunkeg. He says that thrawn himself said it was a joke. Bullshit. Find the line where he says that. They both didn't even read. But unlike Tunkeg, Jay felt that thrawn was a liar and scum, and voted for him when others did. I never said that Thrawn himself said it was a joke. I said it was a joke, meaning I think it was a joke. So try finding the lines yourself before you ask others to do the same... On December 11 2012 08:04 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:00 Vivax wrote: Z-Boson, it's not fair. You stalked me with your questions about Tunkeg, but both of us still don't know anything about what Tunkeg finds scummy about these two. He apparently even didn't read your case.
Be nice and question him thoroughly, too, I'll go make a sammich. Are you not reading my posts at all? Just throwing out some random questions, I wrote in my first post what I found scummy about them, and I elaborated in my reply to you. I made my suspicioun on Djordref before Z-Boson's post, why would I need to lend any arguements from Z-Boson? On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 08:09 Vivax wrote: Tunkeg, for whom of them would you vote right now if you had to? I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes. and his arguments with WBG + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2012 17:18 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 11 2012 16:06 Tunkeg wrote: Lol WBG. In these games you are linking to, and others games like it, haven't you been the one complaining about me posting readposts like that? And also me posting "useless" questions? And now you say the same play you labeled as bad and useless actually was scumhunting?
If you want me lynched for meta fine. But don't try to convince the thread you were a fan of my previos play. just because I think something is dumb doesn't mean I think it's scummy. I don't recall ever seriously calling you scum in those games. Not to mention, in AC I was scum. Nice fail response, scum. On December 11 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum. On December 10 2012 10:29 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? VE gimme your thoughts on thrash After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn. On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote: any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote: If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers. Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says. But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case. He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation. On December 10 2012 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice sonAnd it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ? Hey Djo can you do us all a favor and type in your vote here when you decide to vote for someone one in the voting thread. It would help out alot and i rather not have to check it till the end of the day. The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else. So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this... On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote: On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them." "I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.) ....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die. ##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: jaybrundageI'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings. This is a huge derail if I've ever seen one... VE you have nothing to comment on Tunkeg or anyone other than jay? On December 11 2012 16:24 jaybrundage wrote: Hm so the "easy" bandwagon rolls. I finished watching palmars video ( YOU'RE video was educational to say the least) although YOUR in need of a better way to record video it got really pixely when you scrolled. ha ha suck my grammar.
In response to my badly thought out posts. I was trying to put pressure on thrawn to explain his reasoning. While my threats may not of been great I did eventually got thrawn to explain himself. Its odd people say that I was going back and forth with my view of thrawn. And honestly i didnt know what the hell he was. However i did think it was anti town. But enough of that. Tmw i will reread some of the cases and give my thoughts on which one i will support.
However if i do get lynched which seems likely i would ask people whats the next step when i flip town. But ill do my best to prevent that from happening. I'm curious, did you capitalize "you're" and "your" to demonstrate how much you don't understand how to use the two? :p + Show Spoiler +haha I just found that really funny for some reason So you want me to do dumb things is that what you are saying. I know you treat this game like a schooldebate, where winning the arguement is more important than actually being right. And I know you like to twist and turn stuff to make your arguements look good. But that don't fly with me, stick to facts (like: Tunkeg is not playing exactly like he did in this and this game), don't try to strengthen your arguements with lies (Like you now saying you think I was scumhunting in those games, when you clearly stated how useless it was back then). If you stick with what is true you should be able to lynch me if I were scum. If you start presenting lies and twisting words you might get me lynched even though I am town. On December 11 2012 17:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 17:26 wherebugsgo wrote: also I love how Tunkeg treats me like town when he responds to me, as if he already knows my alignment.
hehehehehehehehe I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth. On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote: Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum".
WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video. Notice the difference in how he argues with people he finds scummy and not just randoms or people who he think is town? In the three people he found suspicious (Palmar, me, Clarity), he hasn't made any kind of argument. He's avoided talking to us. Also, notice how more outright he is with reads and calling people scum compared to this game? Also, looking at his other games in his profile, I would say he is definitely more open to giving reads and more compliant with others overall. Debears was in Hero Mini Mafia, where Tunkeg got mislynched, I actually felt he was very similar to this game, but debears pointed out posts in the Hero game without pointing out the posts in this game to show that difference he speaks about in his case. To be honest, it's enough for me that he went after Tunkeg. Tunkeg is an easy case to push, a perfect target for mislynches, and debears didn't bring his arguments up in an unbiased way when he should know Tunkeg pretty well. Debears also pointed out Tunkegs lack of reads, while there are dozens of people here withholding their reads when asked for them. Uh-uh, bad debby. And debears himself said he would withhold his reads, allegedly to not let scum know he'd be talking about them. But using that as a scum point in his Tunkeg-shitcase is apparently fine. This is very funny and misrepresentative of me. 1) I did show that Tunkeg was playing differently in this game than his last. Even WBG agreed with me. WBG's problem with my case is that I didn't explain how they were different in a scum oriented way. Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: man this is why people hate meta cases.
There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.
Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative. Your assumption of me being scum is based off an oh so strong townread on Tunkeg, which you have no reason for. Tunkeg's play was not pro-town at all. Prom has not delivered either. Do you know Tun is town? Why are you basing a scumtell off that assumption? It is definitely not certain that he is town.
Witholding reads is not the same as not having reads. I have released reads slowly but surely. No reason to release a half baked read in a 30 person game. That just shits up the thread.
Yet again, you are being unreasonable
H) [spoiler]7. Sheeps people on CC when town sentiment switches towards him, among them iamp, who he found suspicious before and after he wrote this:+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 17:13 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 17:11 yamato77 wrote: Debears give me a read I can believe you actually have. Well, I am also down to lynch CC. Iamp and Palmar are trustworthy thus far + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2013 04:09 debears wrote: Iamp
Trolling =/= not forming reads. You are being silly.
Also, I would say I have had an easy time interpreting what Chez is saying
CC, based on d1, is a good candidate
Foolish - idk. Does he normally go lurky useless as scum? Look at the timestamps for both quotes in this spoiler. The quotes came way before the nk, and my suspicions of Iamp, when I said lynch Iamp at lylo. Yet, he includes it to make me look scummy.
Here is the nighpost for context
On January 06 2013 07:00 Kurumi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Day 2 This night was sure an unnerving one. Another student had died of heart attack. Generation of weaklings. Pretty much everyone was doing the most important homework in their lives so far... Surviving and finding out the killer. Tube was trying to A that homework, but someone stopped him with pure force of a bullet. Poor guy. The rest of you still has homework to do. "I know it might be really stressful guys, but we need to hold it together. Take some pills or something. We should have someone fixated with Dr.House, right? Don't let your hearts let us down." - SloOsh + Show Spoiler +Tube the Best Party Planar Dragon (Vanilla Townie) is dead.
My post on Iamp for context
On January 07 2013 04:35 debears wrote: Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now
1) He claimed mason 2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable 3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked 4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips 5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others.
I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true.
However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime
That is blatant misrepresentation and taking quotes out of contextI) + Show Spoiler + Here he says CC is a good candidate based on d1, let's remember: + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Hey look, it's day 2 and I want to lynch CC. And I voted for Marv day 1. Ain't that funny? Let's lynch debears! TOMORROW!!!! (Another little reminder: He hasn't been interested in Promethelax the slightest although he's the guy who replaced Tunkeg)
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So, to rehash why Vivax may be scum in short terms
1) his unexplained town read of tun/prom 2) Taking my quotes out of context 3) misrepresenting me with those quotes 4) Being unreasonable
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On January 08 2013 06:20 Clarity_nl wrote: That is the most unreadable mess I've ever seen.
Blame the man who made the poorly formatted case
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Djo
The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia
However, his recent list of reads is intriguing
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On January 08 2013 06:32 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:27 debears wrote: Djo
The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia
However, his recent list of reads is intriguing @ debearsWhy did you sheep Palmar's case on marv over your case on Tunkeg D1 ? What do you think of Prom right now ?
I was shut down hard by multiple vets including marv and WBG. Marv's reaction to my case on Tunkeg was not what I expected of town Marv either. Palmar's thoughts reflected those of my own
Prom is more active than Tun, but he hasn't done much. I'd rather keep him alive for now and see what he does
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On January 08 2013 06:36 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:19 debears wrote: So, to rehash why Vivax may be scum in short terms
1) his unexplained town read of tun/prom 2) Taking my quotes out of context 3) misrepresenting me with those quotes 4) Being unreasonable Point 2 and 3 are not alignment indicative. Point 4 is just... Lol. Point 1 is plain wrong btw. Show nested quote + The Tunkeg wagon is stupid. You should read him in Hero Mini Mafia, he got mislynched as veteran, dropping a retarded battle poem before his death. I highly doubt a mafia Tunkeg would be THIS identical to his town meta in another game.
The analogies live up again. He comes in with a huge, scummy post of rather summarizing nature, to start fighting against everyone and anyone finding him scummy for it, just to disappear again when shit hits the fan. Shortly before lynch he comes in with some martyr post, trying to look epic while being lynched and fed to the pigs for being a dicks.
Saying someone is town because they look scummy is a fucking retarded defense and reasoning for a strong townread
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Laser read the big wall of text I wrote and show me how he is reasonable
Taking quotes out of context and misrepresenting someone with them is more likely scum than town, since if you assume they are town, you assume that person is just flat fucking bad
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List of people that should be lynched, in order of importance after Jackal
1) CC 2) MZ 3) Hiro 4) Vivax/Laser 6) Palmar
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On January 08 2013 06:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Debears I think all your hatred of Vivax is reactionary
he may be bad, but the case is so bad that I don't see it from a townie motivation
He takes multiple posts out of context and misrepresents me with them. It's not just one
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On January 08 2013 06:42 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Debears I think all your hatred of Vivax is reactionary To expand upon this, the reason I wanted to lynch him in YANMM where he flipped SK was because he was playing a very OMGUSy game. This, again, does not look like town debears.
Yamato, you still do not know my meta at all. Please stop acting like you do. Do you want me to point out all the times I've OMGUS'd in my town games?
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On January 08 2013 06:45 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:37 debears wrote:On January 08 2013 06:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 08 2013 06:19 debears wrote: So, to rehash why Vivax may be scum in short terms
1) his unexplained town read of tun/prom 2) Taking my quotes out of context 3) misrepresenting me with those quotes 4) Being unreasonable Point 2 and 3 are not alignment indicative. Point 4 is just... Lol. Point 1 is plain wrong btw. The Tunkeg wagon is stupid. You should read him in Hero Mini Mafia, he got mislynched as veteran, dropping a retarded battle poem before his death. I highly doubt a mafia Tunkeg would be THIS identical to his town meta in another game.
The analogies live up again. He comes in with a huge, scummy post of rather summarizing nature, to start fighting against everyone and anyone finding him scummy for it, just to disappear again when shit hits the fan. Shortly before lynch he comes in with some martyr post, trying to look epic while being lynched and fed to the pigs for being a dicks. Saying someone is town because they look scummy is a fucking retarded defense and reasoning for a strong townread It might be the case but. 1. You claimed there was no reason for him to have said that Tunkeg was town when it is in fact not true. 2. He may be retarded : ). And that is not alignment indicative. I obviously cannot speak for Vivax on this. I just find your reasons for thinking he is scum is flawed.
That is not a reason in my book. His play is too bad to be town
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On January 08 2013 06:46 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:44 debears wrote:On January 08 2013 06:42 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 06:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Debears I think all your hatred of Vivax is reactionary To expand upon this, the reason I wanted to lynch him in YANMM where he flipped SK was because he was playing a very OMGUSy game. This, again, does not look like town debears. Yamato, you still do not know my meta at all. Please stop acting like you do. Do you want me to point out all the times I've OMGUS'd in my town games? Last game you played like this you flipped SK bro. Lynch the scum, don't OMGUS people who are townies. Neither Vivax or LM looks scummy to me.
Why
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On January 08 2013 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote:Vivax is sooo town in my book now. The case itself seems good and I am willing to sheep it tomrrow foh sho. Also, I have a hard time to see scum backing off and admitting that one of the points in the case was flawed the way Vivax did here. Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 01:02 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote: Why do you think point 3 is scummy? Thinking about it, you're right, it's actually more in the WIFOM category since we can't tell if intended or not, but I see it as belonging to the category of posts he's been making about votes, setup, policy. Fluff, that'd be, it fits so well in there it caught my attention.
On January 08 2013 07:03 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:39 debears wrote: Laser read the big wall of text I wrote and show me how he is reasonable
Taking quotes out of context and misrepresenting someone with them is more likely scum than town, since if you assume they are town, you assume that person is just flat fucking bad There are bad parts of the case. But you basically haven't been scum hunting much at all. You don't really push your suspects hard. You seemed very uninterested in the lynch, which evev according to yourself is a scum trait.
You are scum
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On January 08 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote: Debears you are bad. A good case can have bad parts.
He immediately agreed the case was good. did not point out any flaws. Now, he's like "oh, parts were bad but it's still a good case."
that is not town mindset. It shows he was not willing to even look up the quality of the case. Now that I've pointed out how shitty the case is, he says it has bad parts with it being good, despite the lengthy write up i made on it.
Laser is scum
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Scum marv busses all the time, or at least prepares for it WBG I was leaning town Look it up. They brought up how "it doesn't indicate him being scum because you can't show us how his meta his scum oriented" I rephrased what I meant multiple times, and they shut it down multiple times
On January 07 2013 05:11 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey Iamp. What do you think of Djodref? I have noticed a few things that are alarming 1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games. 2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC 3) He never pushes BC after that 4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to.
On January 07 2013 05:31 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +smiley djo is scum Day 1With his first post he comes in with a bunch of reasonable sounding fluff about all the policy lynches he doesn't agree with. He is ok with a lurker lynch, but there is nobody he thinks is scum. His next post was a defense of tunkeg... still djo doesn't have a scumread. His thrid post comes during he marv wagon, and he disagrees with the marv lynch,and lynches bc because bc is the counterwagon. (and now we know bc is town) He does not have any scumreads for all of d1 and ends up parking his vote on a townie to save another townie.... Here is what djo has to say about bc when he votes: On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC and that's the entirety of he scumhuning djo did on day 1, up until he justifies his vote for BC (a townie) Continuation of D1's non scumhuntingAfter D1 djo talks about a lot of random stuff and gets into random conversations, non of them related to scumhunting. It starts with this post and ends right before this one: On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. That's 13 posts where he isn't scumhunting, just 'participating' in the thread. And in that post where he finally calls people out as people he'd want to lynch, 2 of them (hopeless and mz) dont show up anywhere else in his filter so far. The obvious trend here is that djo hasn't been doing any scumhunting but will randomly have person(s) he wants to lynch who he's said nothing about so far. Everything ElseEverything after the post where he calls out sentinel, mz, and hopeless is a lot like the rest of his filter. He'll get into conversations but never seems to be scumhunting or pressing reads. A lot of the time he's just arguing and giving people town reads. I also think this could be a scumslip: On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote:On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote: [quote]Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely.
Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing. You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing? HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ. It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum. This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush. I also like to bus by the way If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true? I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game. But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay. He says he doesn't think kush is scum, because kush would be bussing.... how does he know kush isn't bussing? + Show Spoiler +also, smiley levels are at all time lows TLDR: he doesn't scumhunt, ever
He displayed a decently lengthed case 20 minutes after I posted my original suspicions.
So, within 20 minutes, he had to see my case, determine if it's good, and suddenly write up something about you if he was scum.
I don't see him doing that that easily
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Just for proof on my differences in reads on marv and WBG. look at the difference in tone
Marv
On January 04 2013 12:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:31 marvellosity wrote: The case didn't really demonstrate at all any differences in his town/scum games. Tunkeg earlier in the game gave a list of reads with explanations very much like the one that debears quotes from Hero mini. Apart from that there's nothing. do you deny that he is fucking scummy this game at the very least?
On January 04 2013 12:39 debears wrote:And Marv, here is his first post of reads Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote:So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about. I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum. debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this. Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious. tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his: On January 03 2013 09:09 tube wrote: hi guys gl im posting like this again this game fuck you all I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him. Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP. How is that any kind of fucking analysis?This guy wants to policy lynch This guy isn't active This guy is changing his mind often this guy made one statement that scares me
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On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: man this is why people hate meta cases.
There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.
Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative. Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games. I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games.
On January 04 2013 12:45 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 04 2013 12:35 HiroPro wrote: have you read the thread yet bugs? read it once, yeah. On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: man this is why people hate meta cases.
There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.
Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative. Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games. I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games. I'm not following you. You might've shown a difference but it's not the difference that matters. You need to be able to explain the difference. Yeah, finding a difference is cool, but that's not the point of metaing someone. Their play could be different for several different reasons. I find it plausible that, if his play this game is different (I haven't checked thoroughly enough to even say that it is) then there is a good chance it is because, in his last game, it didn't go very well for him. Alright. Let me try putting it this way. In hero, he argued with others and stated "hey you're likely scum" He has argued with multiple people this game, not called them scum, and then named scummy 3 people who he didn't engage with How is that not different in a scum oriented way?>
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On January 08 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've removed some quotations to keep it somewhat readable, just read the previous cases if you want to know what it refers to. #1: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to?
That is unreasonable to the nth degree.
If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point).
Your question to iamp: + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote:ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask. And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here. #2: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum.
It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives?
I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie). Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded
You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then? You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right. If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening. #3: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:This ( Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it. Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine. Let's treat this simply as null then. #4: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules.
Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/ #5: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me. Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing. Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote.You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it. More tomorrow. Gn.
1) I could have possibly phrased it better
He found a quote from MZ saying that MZ was posting from phone and would be home soon within 3 minutes of asking. I highly doubt he's lying about that. Read plz.
Also, supersoft was around in that convo too. Look it up
2) You are not reading at all. I said, if Iamp makes it to lylo, then lynch him. What don't you understand about that? For a strong player who is a mason to make it to endgame is fucking retarded if you are scum in a 30 player game
Which applies to the quote which you try to frame as a scumslip. BECAUSE YOU AREN'T FUCKING READING.
It's a hypothetical. Seriously. There is no way you are this dumb as town.
5) First, I didn't bold anything in his posts. He didn't asked why I bolded parts in his quote cuz I didn't. You are lying
On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players.
How does that not look like a fucking joke?
Just because someone doesn't post more, it does not mean I do not rethink their posts. Look at the post in question. At first, I thought it was scummy. Then the two town inclinations in the post made me think differently. Figure it out
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On January 08 2013 10:12 Djodref wrote: @ debaers
What was your motivation to post the part where you said we need to lynch iamp at LYLO if he is still alive ? Do you realize that we are very far from LYLO ?
Why wouldn't I. Marv just won a scum game because he claimed vet and a shot and lived til the end because town didn't use their heads. Mafia nk strong town players with roles by lylo, especially in a 30 player game. Duh.
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On January 08 2013 19:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol are you scared of what's in the logs clarity?
I'll post them when I damn well please. Besides why on earth would I post anything at night when we can't do anything about what's in them?
And I'm surviving the night/a mislynch waiting to happen because people like you continue to call me scum <3
Now I'm really gonna sleep
Hey MZ
*encrypted message here*
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On January 08 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote: Oh and why not care about Prom when you found Tunkeg suspicious?
You keep skipping that, baddie.
You give replacements a curteousy day. Especially when they are more active than their predecessor
You can not be town with this line of thinking
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On January 08 2013 23:04 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've removed some quotations to keep it somewhat readable, just read the previous cases if you want to know what it refers to. #1: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to?
That is unreasonable to the nth degree.
If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point).
Your question to iamp: + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote:ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask. And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here. #2: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum.
It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives?
I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie). Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded
You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then? You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right. If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening. #3: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:This ( Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it. Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine. Let's treat this simply as null then. #4: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules.
Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/ #5: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote: This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me. Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing. Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote.You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it. More tomorrow. Gn. On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote: 1) I could have possibly phrased it better
He found a quote from MZ saying that MZ was posting from phone and would be home soon within 3 minutes of asking. I highly doubt he's lying about that. Read plz.
Also, supersoft was around in that convo too. Look it up
No, supersoft didn't look like he was phoneposting at all at that point, please give me proof for what you're saying, cause I can't find it on my own. 1. Show me where MZ is saying that he's posting from phone. 2. Show me what made you think that he was possible referring to supersoft. I'm quite sure you won't find it, and you should know that. The fact you're holding on to your mistakes in such a stubborn way makes me think you're very scared of admitting them. On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote: 2) You are not reading at all. I said, if Iamp makes it to lylo, then lynch him. What don't you understand about that? For a strong player who is a mason to make it to endgame is fucking retarded if you are scum in a 30 player game
Which applies to the quote which you try to frame as a scumslip. BECAUSE YOU AREN'T FUCKING READING.
It's a hypothetical. Seriously. There is no way you are this dumb as town.
Again, you're misrepresenting what I said. It's the timing and purpose of that post, it leaks a scum mentality. You're not writing posts about people who should be lynched next, you write them about people that should be lynched in a far away situation. Additionally, you do so by using NK speculation. Stop referring to a fraction of what I write and portraying me as scummy cause you defend against a fraction. Answer it all or don't answer it at all. You didn't answer my question about your confirmed town iamp statement anyway. On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote: 5) First, I didn't bold anything in his posts. He didn't asked why I bolded parts in his quote cuz I didn't. You are lying
You are right, on second check, actually it was Toad who bolded the parts. I had trouble seeing you quoting that thing without actually answering something to it besides your joke quote, so I assumed you bolded it. Gotta read better (=' Yknow it's funny. All I needed to know was: I didn't actually call hopeless scummy at that time, I just replied with statistics to his statement that he's not fine with random lynching. But then, on the other hand, you made an extensive "I am slightly town and somewhat scum on you"-post, and that just doesn't fit with you replying to him with a joke-post, it rather looks like you felt pressured to write something to justify it. Now you start spouting shit about me lying and being scum. That's overreaction, you can simply point out where I'm wrong without going berserk on it. My current opinion is that you put quite a lot of points I saw about you aside, but there are still some old points that I'm not satisfied with after your answer. I also don't like how you handled the whole thing: You only answer to a portion of the points, and then call me scum after answering to them. You don't acknowledge that most people saw these points as legitimate issues that had to be pointed out, else they wouldn't have liked the case right? I'll reconsider your case during the day. Of all the people sheeping me on it no one actually bothered to look at the stuff they're sheeping, that doesn't make me feel easy about it, I don't want to do all the work >=(
On January 08 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote: Oh and why not care about Prom when you found Tunkeg suspicious?
You keep skipping that, baddie.
Look at his wording in these two posts. Then look at the bolded in the first quote.
If he is town, and he is so convinced I am scum, why is he leaving the possibility of backing down open? He obviously thinks that he is so right, considering he doesn't even read what I write back. But he, for some reason, feels the strong urge to leave a backdoor against me:
I'll reconsider your case during the day. Of all the people sheeping me on it no one actually bothered to look at the stuff they're sheeping, that doesn't make me feel easy about it, I don't want to do all the work >=(
Town do not do this when they are out for blood. Vivax has made multiple extensive posts against me, yet doesn't feel confident enough to go 1v1 against me despite believing his arguments are so great. If the case is so great why wouldn't people sheep you?
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On January 09 2013 03:49 Vivax wrote: Are you suggesting that as town, I shouldn't back up from my opinions on you when I see things that give me reason to?
Well, that's just retarded.
You seem pretty convinced of your case, yet you gey scared when people sheep it.
That's not a good reason at all. You should expect people to sheep a good case as town.
It means one of two things
1) you are town and you don't believe your case is good 2) you are scum and you don't want to be held responsible for leading a case on me
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On January 09 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:are you sure i called you scum just a few posts ago that make me scum?
Hey Iamp
Why don't you try something new? Actually look at the quality of my counter arguments against vivax and explain why they're wrong.
Have fun
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##Vote Foolishness
If CC will not be lynched, then I support a "Foolish" lynch hahaha
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On January 09 2013 14:04 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 13:56 debears wrote: ##Vote Foolishness
If CC will not be lynched, then I support a "Foolish" lynch hahaha Do you really care about who is going to get lynched today ?
Not at all obviously
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On January 09 2013 15:11 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 15:05 kushm4sta wrote:On January 09 2013 15:02 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 15:00 kushm4sta wrote:On January 09 2013 14:44 Djodref wrote:On January 09 2013 14:40 kushm4sta wrote:On January 08 2013 11:54 Chezinu wrote:I wonder if mysterious masons are allowed... + Show Spoiler + [20:43] <@Masked_Man> ... [20:43] <thrawn_> Hello? [20:44] <thrawn_> Sloosh just sent me a pm saying to join this IRC [20:44] <@Masked_Man> I know [20:44] <thrawn_> Who are you? [20:44] <@Masked_Man> ... [20:45] == thrawn_ [webchat@d209-89-222-25.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed]
what is this btw @ kushAre you aware that Chezinu is dead ? Would you lynch debears over Prome after my case against him ? yes i'm aware. I still don't know what that is. It looks really weird. Like I said I didn't read your case. It was too long. I dont read megacases sorry. But I read his filter and I think it's possible his behavior can be explained by just not giving a shit. Not likely but possible. But it is kind of similar to the CC lynch in that way. I think prome is a surer thing. Not giving a shit is claiming scum. Especially for deebs. i dont think you can make a statement like that for such a new player. I played 2 games with him as scum and he gave a shit both times. (the first time was his first game; the second time he gave a shit for the first day then stopped giving a shit, but pretended like he still gave a shit) I read Hero Mini where he was town and the differences in his filter from that game to this one are striking.
Wasnt i sk in hero?
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##Vote debears
We are lynching me today. Scum will have me set up for later lynches if i live
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Just so you know my thought process:
Out of the 7-9 of you that voted for me: Most of you are town that aren't reading most likely A couple of you are scum most likely
No reason for me to live with that shit going on. You guys will just lynch me later in an important lynch
Not one person besides Vivax has shown why my counter arguments are wrong against vivax. And then Vivax just keeps saying "well I interpret it like this".
If you are town, lynch me. It's better in the long haul. I won't survive against townies who can't read and come up with their own opinions
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Sorry Iamp. I've done what I can.
You guys have dun goofed
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On January 10 2013 10:06 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 10:05 debears wrote: Just so you know my thought process:
Out of the 7-9 of you that voted for me: Most of you are town that aren't reading most likely A couple of you are scum most likely
No reason for me to live with that shit going on. You guys will just lynch me later in an important lynch
Not one person besides Vivax has shown why my counter arguments are wrong against vivax. And then Vivax just keeps saying "well I interpret it like this".
If you are town, lynch me. It's better in the long haul. I won't survive against townies who can't read and come up with their own opinions wtf is wrong with you tell us who you think is scum if you are fucking town
already have
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I will repeat this one more time
NONE of you have explained why my counter arguments against vivax are wrong. NONE OF YOU.
In other words, I am fucked later no matter what because you guys can't read and think on your own
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On January 10 2013 10:15 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 10:10 debears wrote: I will repeat this one more time
NONE of you have explained why my counter arguments against vivax are wrong. NONE OF YOU.
In other words, I am fucked later no matter what because you guys can't read and think on your own Why didn't you show that Vivax is scum, independently from the case he made against you ?
Djo I will explain that to you personally through pms once I am lynched
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EBWOP
I guess postgame would be a better time actually
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On January 10 2013 10:32 Toadesstern wrote: well I can go down with debears with that bullshit. At least don't oull yourself as first lynch even if you look retarded like me to make sure mafia get's lynched first to make sure KP get's reduced first. Why so stupid?
Controversial mislynch = easier reads on the scum
bam
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What's his name is right
##vote cheesecake
Hadnt thought about the kp nonsense
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On January 10 2013 12:38 yamato77 wrote: Would a scum player martyr?
Would a town player martyr?
Debears explain to me why this is similar to your town games and not the SK game we just finished.
Why don't you try comparing this game to my scum games? There aren't SK's in this. SK plays differently than mafia or town
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On January 10 2013 12:58 yamato77 wrote: I have a strong inclination to not read other games right now.
Give me an assessment of your town play that you think you're fitting right now.
lol. That is *insert insult here*
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On January 11 2013 01:06 Vivax wrote: Like: Palmar didn't express any concerns about debears before dying, he announced that he'd read up on him, but he gets shot. Should we draw conclusions about debears from that or treat it as WIFOM?
draw conclusions about it from that. Duh
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I'd be more comfortable lynching CC over the suggestions of prom or toad right now
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On January 11 2013 05:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: My order shall be debears -> promethexlax -> cakecheese -> random
I have decided that since jackal flipped red, cakecheese must be red as well since he has ascended to the throne of lurkmaster prime
so you want to lynch a confirmed red in your eyes over someone who you have no idea about?
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ebwop
*don't want to lynch*
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You said CC must be red dumbfuck
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On January 11 2013 05:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: My order shall be debears -> promethexlax -> cakecheese -> random
I have decided that since jackal flipped red, cakecheese must be red as well since he has ascended to the throne of lurkmaster prime
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So you don't want to lynch someone that must be red?
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You have not said that all three of us must be red
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Cheesecake must be red>>>>>>oh jk just a hunch
That's a very odd change in opinion
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On January 11 2013 05:58 Djodref wrote: Actually, you are right about Cheese, we just lynch him tomorrow if he comes by to drop his vote. But I would really hate him if he pulls off something like that. Back to debears, which still hasn't tell us why Vivax is scum, except for the case he made against, and why Lazer is scum.
##Unvote ##Vote: debears
Why do you think I haven't voted them?
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On January 11 2013 06:07 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 06:04 kushm4sta wrote: if toad is scum, ve is town. if toad is town, ve is scum. those are my current thoughts. your thoughts are worthless. You're trying to connect things that dont belong together. If Toad is town, debears is scumIf toad is scum, debears is 0, more likely town
Why is this exactly lol?
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On January 11 2013 06:08 iamperfection wrote:i think CC is 100% scum at this point and i think its kind of irrelevant that hell be modkilled becasue i think he is going to last minute vote shouldn't we take the sure thing?
yes. agreed
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wait is the deadline in 7 min or an hour?
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This situation is troubling
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On January 11 2013 06:58 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm voting Toad at this point. I think they are about equally likely to flip scum at this point but just to asure us that no last minute switch is comming
##Unvote ##Vote: Toadesstern
I thought you thought I was scum
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No.but why would you care for a voteswitch if you think im scum?
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Or maybe scum are controlling the thread.
Paranoia
Bum bum bum
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On January 11 2013 10:55 kushm4sta wrote: debears please tell me what is going on with you then. Is it a matter of not having enough time to read the thread? Why aren't you being helpful?
Mainly time right now. I'm back at college so I have a loaded schedule again.
Yet, who says I am wrong with my reads, or at least some of them? hmm???
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On January 11 2013 11:56 yamato77 wrote: Give me a short summary of your most important reads debears
Not til the day phase, if I make it that far....bum bum bum
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Also thrawn I thought u were scum at the end. I was gonna do a write up at day
Mu final scumteam was vivax, foolish, djo, thrawn, hiro/laser
I checked laser n2 amd sentinel n3
Thrawn your defense of me seemed way too fake considering thw rest of the thread wouldnt bother listening to me. Especially when you said you thought that I was that arrogant.
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On January 12 2013 06:19 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:57 debears wrote: Also thrawn I thought u were scum at the end. I was gonna do a write up at day
Mu final scumteam was vivax, foolish, djo, thrawn, hiro/laser
I checked laser n2 amd sentinel n3
Thrawn your defense of me seemed way too fake considering thw rest of the thread wouldnt bother listening to me. Especially when you said you thought that I was that arrogant. I don't think you would have any pull to lynch us though I'm surprised that you were a cop ! What happened to you this game ? Also, fun fact, but the host killed as many people as the mafia did this game ^^ Also I wanted to claim Tommy the Fireman the Vanilla Townie, but you guys didn't lynch me >.< @ VEDon't worry, I'll keep on playing, there is just not any game on-going at the moment. Also, I like you since you replaced HiroPro in the Looney Game, I just couldn't say it in this game After all, I wanted to lynch you in Hero when you were deliberately derping tunneling Clarity, because I know town VE couldn't be this dumb.
1) i was purposely keeping away from leading town so I wouldnt get nked. 2) I didn't have time 3) theres no reason for me to spam like I do in minis due to the amount of players 4) there was very little effort and reason I'm the thread
Unfortunately I didn't know we would lose after only 2 mislynches in a 30 player game.
And then when a scum made a terrible case taking my quotes out of context the mafia had too much control of the thread for me to overturn them
But hey, guess I just need to get myself nked n1 from now on by playing better
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Yamato, there is one thing I want you to do from now on.
Don't use meta for a while. I myself am not gonna use it until its clear that I understand it better
Itll force you to become better at pure in game reads and keep you from mistakenly thinking a town player is scum just because they are playing differently
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