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On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote: By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town. Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that? I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today. EBWOP: I mean, 'Lets ignore my shot on Tube'
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On January 06 2013 09:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote: By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town. Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that? I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today. I forgot you replaced, someone correctly pointed that out. I don't quite associate your posts with Adam's as of now as I haven't read it through. Adam looked very bad with his one shitty mud-slinging multi-target post. I haven' read your contributions at all though. I don't see any reason to doubt your claim to the shot and it's exactly what Vigilantes are meant to be doing, it's a good shot. So I don't intend to use my time to worry too much about your alignment, which is nice. Yes, but I very much need to worry about yours. You were very, very wrong about marv and very stubborn that you were right. I can't help but be reminded of Rock Band.
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On January 06 2013 15:01 supersoft wrote: yo! my sleep scedule is crazy. wtf waking up at 6 am at a sunday :D
@VE: you need to man up. some nobody calls you scum or bad or whatever and you almost do the "marvelosity"?
pretending Jackal and MZ are dead, i'd probably look into foolish, clarity, hopeless, vivax and Viscera (now don't get a heart attack because of that dude!) Some nobody?
Fuck you buddy. Not my fault you disappeared for the last year or whatever and don't know who I am. I have 1 less game played than you, and *gasp* 2 less wins (but a draw due to host error that should have been a win).
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On January 06 2013 15:54 yamato77 wrote: Hey Keir
It's okay I have had a scum read on VE too
Fuck those vets So VE is town then?
Thanks!
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EBWOP:
Sorry, I might be a bit drunk. But I'm just joking around, don't take me seriously. <3
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On January 06 2013 15:56 yamato77 wrote: I only let Marv make that joke because he and I had a conversation about it post game in YANMM
I'm not wrong EVERY time. I made the remark about it in YANMM obs QT well before you died
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On January 12 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 00:58 supersoft wrote: CC, froggynoddy, toadesstern, marv all played innacceptabel. for the future we need a much harder punishment for these kind of plays.
i guess VE rage outburst shouldnt be punished further... the modkill is enough punishment. he played the game and wanted to win. he had one inapropriate moment. Calling for modkills of other players (VE) in-thread isn't acceptable either, dear. Maybe not, but I don't particularly think its banworthy, either.
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On January 12 2013 01:07 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 00:58 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 12 2013 00:52 syllogism wrote: No, you can only replace out if you have a legitimate reason and "losing interest" while posting in another game definitely isn't one. When you join a game you commit to finishing it. The fact you refuse to understand just highlights the fact you aren't going to change your attitude and should be banned. Why are you not advertising an equally strong punishment for marv and ve? If marv gets a 1-game, I don't see where CC warrants a stronger punishment. Marv and VE are players with a history of contributing in every game and even in this game they were highly active. I don't know what VE even did other than complained a bit. Marv could definitely get away with a warning as well as he was modkilled before it was even clear whether he truly quit or was just venting. The purpose of the ban list isn't to punish players per se, but to discourage the kind of rule breaking/conduct that ruins games from mafia (the game) point of view. Non-contributing, rule breaking players who show no interest in improving their conduct should be kept out of games, not players who are highly active unless they are highly disruptive. Ragequitting is still quitting, which makes the game less fun for the other players. Whether or not you were active before you quit is irrelevant, IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I have no ill feelings towards marv. He's one of my favorite people around TL. I can imagine I would have been super frustrated too.
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On January 12 2013 01:53 marvellosity wrote:I became incredibly suspicious of Djo right around where I ragequit. Witness the following posts: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:38 Djodref wrote:
Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ? Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:
@ Keir
Did you cacth up with the whole thread now ? What do you make of this day ? Do you think mafia was on BC's lynch ?
Also I would like to know if the fact that we have already 2 cops dead change anything about your read on marv. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 10:00 Djodref wrote:On January 05 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Kei, why don't you stop talking about Toad, and start talking about more interesting people like Meapak or froggy. @ marvWho do you think mafia was voting at the end of day 1 ? All these questions/points are useless, and serve no direction. He's asking all the wrong questions. The breadcrumbs one is irrelevant, I think. Djo is always super worried about breadcrumbs no matter what his alignment is.
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It's pretty easy to play well as scum when townies keep pushing themselves
I agree that Vivax did play well though. He was just caught in YANMM partly because of his associations with other scum. No scum flipped aside from the lurking Jackal to a cop check, and the lynches were all (almost?) lead by townies onto other townies.
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On January 12 2013 07:09 Vivax wrote:I have the skype logs, going to upload them somewhere (like 0.1 MB) if my team-mates agrees. Some of us use their RL names in there. I could delete them if needed. Debears, even if your reads were right, you kind of looked like you resigned, you were calling me scum purely based on the things I posted against you while ignoring my scumslip, for example. Doesn't surprise me you kind of stopped caring since most of town was quite angry during the game. The day-vigs and modkills were really demoralizing, but you still tried harder than most of town, and that was hard in this environment. I think yamato focuses a little too much on the superficial and then gets stuck on his reads to the point that he starts arguing with the people he tunnels, other than that he looked kinda scummy in the end when he stopped living up to his rather high activity standard. He should just remember that there's more than just one or two scum. VE and Prom gave me some laughs. Prom with his "Make-up-sex"-post, VE with quite a few of his posts, put it back in your pants =D . VE can really claim to have a unique way of posting in this game. The BC lynch was just stupid, but it does look like a curse that has a long history: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103738¤tpage=7#130 One shouldn't lynch experienced players that early, based on so much gut. You could have given him more time to prove himself to be town, didn't look like he had put too much time into the game until that point. As for the marv bandwagon, it had quite the chance of losing steam. Weird shit happens shortly before deadline, just look at the BC and Toad lynch. So yeah, marv should work on his karma ^^ , but his reads in the obs qt were really sharp. Clarity has this tendency to disregard newbies and buddy up with vets. While that might help you in your career I don't know if it's the right thing for this game. It makes you post funny reactions though. You also don't like to take the lead with big cases and such, you prefer staying laid back, asking questions and expressing your opinion when needed. It's not bad, just an assessment of your town style . Toad just failed to establish himself as town with so many posts. He knows that he posts a lot by himself, so he should work on economizing on that, unless he likes to keep that meta for playing scum. His vote on himself in the end was completely unnecessary, he could have avoided the lynch, but I think someone still switched to him last minute. Congratz to hopeless for the medic save, but you kinda played in a scummy way, maybe you felt insecure cause of your role. So much for post-game from my side. I had lots of fun this game! Sorry for town though, you had a hard time . Hopeless was pretty damn obviously town.
As was marv, although I questioned it a bit after 2 other cops flipped. But everything about his play read as town marv. :o
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On January 12 2013 07:26 Vivax wrote: Hopeless improved towards the end when he started defending himself. Other than that (before) he looked like he wanted to stay in the background. But hindsight impressions are always strong. I meant I figured out he was town night 1. I had considered shooting him, mostly sheeping bugs case. But when I went back and looked through his filter and compared it to his filter of his previous games, it was much much more similar to his townie mindset than his scum one.
Edit: Also, I was in the game for not much more than 24 hours. That's probably why you thought I didn't "stick out" or whatever.
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On January 12 2013 10:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I still dont know why people can't easily read your posts chez Easy to say with 4 years experience playing mafia with him
Although I don't find his posts particularly hard to interpret, just more annoying to do so than other players who don't speak in riddles.
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On January 13 2013 04:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Yamato, I think you played quite well. Almost noone thought you were scum which is very postive.
I'd like some feedback on my own play as well. My own reflection is that I have similar problems as yamato. I'm quite good at looking townie but bad at finding scum. I did have decent reads on D1, at least town reads but not once did I really push a scum for his lynch IIRC. When I was considering who to vig, I was thinking about people I hadn't noticed a whole lot and remembered you. Went back and compared your filter to your scum filter in Paranoia and was very convinced that you were town.
But I wasn't alive very long in the game and didn't pay much attention to you otherwise.
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