On December 25 2012 19:02 Djodref wrote:
Shall we try to break CT mafia length record ?
Shall we try to break CT mafia length record ?
Please no...
/in
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On December 25 2012 19:02 Djodref wrote: Shall we try to break CT mafia length record ? Please no... /in | ||
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On December 28 2012 01:48 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On December 27 2012 04:03 Kurumi wrote: On December 27 2012 03:06 Tunkeg wrote: So when will this game start? As soon as it is full or what? I thought I'd get full, signups are till 28th 15:00 GMT (+00:00) you can't start before 1.1.2013 - 00:01KST though. Got to be the first game in 2013! Think about what you're doing marv... | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. @wbg voters: dafuq? | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:14 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. @wbg voters: dafuq? Hopeless, Why so serious? How long do you want the start of the game to be trivial nonsense? The sooner we get started the better, no? Yamato, why does bugs have 2 votes already? | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:34 Toadesstern wrote: Supersoft my buddyily friend, do me a favor and read some recent games :3 You mean that time a town-vig shot town-WBG on town-Palmar's advice? | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. 2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:47 HiroPro wrote: lol I meant by highest post count there...meh | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:49 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote: I made my piece on what 'policy' I would entertain and that was it. My motives aren't suspicious until I ignore lurkers, but you're already lining up a day 2 lynch on me? I may not need to get mad at you, but I feel completely justified, especially in light of the fact that the reasons for voting bugs are terrible, but clearly I'm the retard who doesn't "get it". Bitch please, just let it go. Kick back, have a drink, lynch a bug. Yes sir... still, not really seeing a good reason to lynch bugs yet. | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2013 07:43 grush57 wrote: do a video palmar! Nah, I read my role pm, it'll be too hard to fake that I'm town on camera. How did no one jump on this btw? I'm going with the logic that Palmar is too dumb to slip so it was a trap, which makes him clearly town in my book. This was intentional to me. Palmar doesn't seem like the kind of player who would slip like that, so I read that post in a joking tone. That said, I certainly don't have a townread on Palmar. Then again, I wouldn't lynch him either, but only because I've fucked that up once in the past and he's almost always a prime target for mafia KP, so I'm much more comfortable leaving him alive. Despite his shitty reasons for voting bugs and being generally trolly for the time being, I don't think it is ever worth lynching him Day 1 because he's so likely to get shot all the time. Same goes for marv on the "do not lynch Day 1 list" | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean? They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? | ||
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On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean? They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. | ||
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On January 03 2013 07:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This just in, palmar most likely town. More in a few hours when I get home. What happened to this? | ||
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On January 03 2013 12:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The clearest and most concise thing posted in the thread thus far! but why kill tunkeg? | ||
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On January 03 2013 12:25 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote: On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean? They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. why are you already talking about what might happen if you end up being lynched. Seriously that is a weird post you just did. You're telling me I'm setting up a d2 lynch (which I wasn't lol, not even setting up a d1 lynch yet) and now you get in here telling people that if you get lynched (why?) I'm playing some kind of card? That's the most backwards posting I've ever seen. I also never said you're dumb, I told you that I got a problem with one line of your posts and that you need to chill out after you got all mad at me for pointing that out. Should I not have mentioned it instead? What should my approach should have been? Ignore it? And seriously don't make it look like I'm insulting you because I'm not. I haven't insulted anyone in this game besides bugs. About the nice sentiment. I'm just posting instead of doing something? I posted it because I saw multiple people doing it so far and I don't like it, you say you don't like it either. So something's wrong. I'm trying to change that by posting it. If I had posted that without a reason like "sup guys, here's what we do" without anyone posting townreads that'd be something but there's a reason for that post and you're ignoring it, making it sound like I did it for fluff when clearly I'm trying to get people to STOP DOING IT, which according to you isn't anything? I'm talking about what-ifs because people are taking the post where you call me out (+ Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. 2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? and they are using it as a reason to consider me scum, but you've gone on to say: On January 03 2013 09:28 Toadesstern wrote: -SNIP- No need to read too much into everything like this Hopeless dude claiming I'm already setting up the lynch for d2,[irony] which obviously has to be the case here [/irony] :p Effectively absolving yourself of any responsibility with regard to my potential lynch. This isn't a connection case because of bullshit like+ Show Spoiler + someone defended this guy from another's acusation and I think the first guy is scummy circular logic somethingsomething , this is me seeing a scummy thing based on your backpedaling on calling me scum in a way that I find very suspicious. | ||
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On January 03 2013 12:43 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 12:35 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 12:25 Toadesstern wrote: On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote: On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean? They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. why are you already talking about what might happen if you end up being lynched. Seriously that is a weird post you just did. You're telling me I'm setting up a d2 lynch (which I wasn't lol, not even setting up a d1 lynch yet) and now you get in here telling people that if you get lynched (why?) I'm playing some kind of card? That's the most backwards posting I've ever seen. I also never said you're dumb, I told you that I got a problem with one line of your posts and that you need to chill out after you got all mad at me for pointing that out. Should I not have mentioned it instead? What should my approach should have been? Ignore it? And seriously don't make it look like I'm insulting you because I'm not. I haven't insulted anyone in this game besides bugs. About the nice sentiment. I'm just posting instead of doing something? I posted it because I saw multiple people doing it so far and I don't like it, you say you don't like it either. So something's wrong. I'm trying to change that by posting it. If I had posted that without a reason like "sup guys, here's what we do" without anyone posting townreads that'd be something but there's a reason for that post and you're ignoring it, making it sound like I did it for fluff when clearly I'm trying to get people to STOP DOING IT, which according to you isn't anything? I'm talking about what-ifs because people are taking the post where you call me out (+ Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. 2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? and they are using it as a reason to consider me scum, but you've gone on to say: On January 03 2013 09:28 Toadesstern wrote: -SNIP- No need to read too much into everything like this Hopeless dude claiming I'm already setting up the lynch for d2,[irony] which obviously has to be the case here [/irony] :p Effectively absolving yourself of any responsibility with regard to my potential lynch. This isn't a connection case because of bullshit like+ Show Spoiler + someone defended this guy from another's acusation and I think the first guy is scummy circular logic somethingsomething , this is me seeing a scummy thing based on your backpedaling on calling me scum in a way that I find very suspicious. Well in that case let me get this straight: I did not intend to backpaddel at all. I still consider you somewhat scummy. I don't think the reasoning I've given is anywhere near enough to get you or anyone else lynched as it was mearly something that ticked me off as weird early on. I posted it because it's d1 and we want to create discussions. So let it be known that I, Toad still think you're looking worse than most people in the thread as of now, 4 hours into the game. Basicly a FoS just with reasoning provided and I'll be looking at your posts. I'll let you know if I consider you to be a decent lynch ahead of time and will try to not communicate too much with you for a while (beyond this point) to see yourself on your natural turf to see how you keep on playing when there's no reason for you to worsen your play due to possibly existing emotions towards myself because of what I said earlier on. Understood, and I'm not mad anymore. You'll get similar scrutiny from me, so we're on even terms in that regard. The votes on bugs still annoy me, but that's not alignment indicative (yet). @Meapak any comment on why tunkeg? | ||
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On January 04 2013 08:06 debears wrote: THERE MAY COME A DAY WHERE THE HEARTS OF MEN MAY FAIL, AND PALMAR WILL BE LYNCHED. BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY Two qusetions: Were you subtly calling me scum earlier?+ Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. 2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off Show nested quote + On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia! Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics. Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help! Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. Are you going to be the rare person who explains why they want to vote for someone (i.e. Why are you voting for Tunkeg?) | ||
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On January 04 2013 08:10 iamperfection wrote: hopeless one what you think of CC I'm unfamiliar with his meta, I don't remember ever playing with him before. His filter sucks and presumably hasn't been so 'sucky' in previous games? Going to go take a glance at his previous games now. | ||
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On January 04 2013 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote: Were you subtly calling me scum earlier?+ Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote: besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. 2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off Show nested quote + On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia! Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics. Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help! Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. | ||
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On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote: On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote: On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon. hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all. What have you to say to this accusation? It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. So I'm gonna sit on what I thought about him until that gets done. | ||
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On January 05 2013 00:12 iamperfection wrote: wouldn't it be nice if we all just lynched cc he flips scum and we all praise me as the new best in the world. That's all i really want. For justice then, ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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On January 05 2013 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote: well i don't want to lynch either you or palmar How do you feel about cc's promised, yet undelivered, reads On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote: On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote: On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon. hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all. What have you to say to this accusation? It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. | ||
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On January 05 2013 00:52 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 00:42 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 05 2013 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote: well i don't want to lynch either you or palmar How do you feel about cc's promised, yet undelivered, reads On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote: On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote: On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon. hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all. What have you to say to this accusation? It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. don;t remember who it was but somebody pointed out the difference between scum cc and town cc, scum cc posts are much better quality. in witchcraft i thought cc was 100% scum because of how trollish/annoying/illogical his posts were and he ended up flipping town. if the point of lynching cc is to lynch a lurker i'd prefer selecting from people with lower content uhh, unless there was more, I remember it was kush, and thinking 'godamnit' to myself: On January 04 2013 13:46 kushm4sta wrote: town cheesecake seems more trolly. "Cool story" etc scum cheesecake makes cleaner posts. So for meta reasons with 2 games experience. | ||
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On January 05 2013 00:54 Lazermonkey wrote: thrawn, your case is just sooo bad. I don't know what to say even. Like you point out several things but HOW do them make me scummy? Like all your points are based on very extreme WIFOM. I never said my vote is useless. It is however not very usefull when it's 45 hours untill lynch and I'm the only one that's voting the person. the phrasing thing is not a proof of anything really. Firstly, how was my push against Tunkeg OMGUS? You then say that it is scummy that I first tell everyone that I'm going to check Tunkeg's meta before doing it. Well, it isn't. My grush/kush policy thing was hardly serious. You say I'm trying to bandwagon but that's also massive WIFOM. Maybe I'm just town who reconsider. | ||
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On January 05 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote: Palmar, why are you just so different from the last two games you were in? I second thrawns' thoughts about CC, and I agree with his arguments about LM except for the argument with the "looks bad"-phrasing. I'm not lynching Lazer based on some retarded phrasing-argument. As a birthday present, I demand that we lynch VE, Kush or Lazermonkey. Hopeless, I don't see what you see about that red highlighted stuff. You want to lynch Lazer or not? @ Thrawn I want to know why you said that town kush is easily identifiable in your post about LM. Do you think he is town in this game?How is he easily identifiable as town when he isn't as scum? Don't want to lynch lazer yet, but he discredits thrawn by saying the "mafia motive" part of the case is missing, then goes on to address the "mafia motive" in the case. | ||
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On January 05 2013 03:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Jesus stop fucking spamming. Coming from me, this game has too many posts and I spam myself quite a lot. The last four pages at least have been nothing but one liners. I went to sleep 7 hours ago and the thread was inflated by 300 posts. What the fuck? What makes any of you think that posting so much useless shit is helpful for finding scum? First of all, Palmar is right now possibly the most anti-town player in the game. Literally no one has a good reason to be on marv right now, and if you have sheeped Palmar you really need to get your head out of your ass and go read a newbie guide. Two things on this point: #1 marv is not a good lynch today. He's a very good asset if he is town and he is quite honestly not that scummy. Certainly he hasn't done much today but you can say this about literally anyone. Nothing in his filter seems to have been motivated by a scum background and everything he has said can be plausibly explained from a town perspective. He's a good enough player that if his reads are bad (they are not) and if he has not done anything for a few days (yes, a couple days-he's a prime night kill target if town) then he should die. I am highly surprised that Palmar is choosing to attack marv on such weak evidence (he basically cherry-picked his filter) when there is, IMO, a much better vet target in the game that you could make a much stronger case on (Foolishness). + Show Spoiler + However I'm not suggesting we kill Foolishness today since he is arguably the best asset for town in the game if he is town, and generally his day 1 is very trolly and lurky #2 BC is not a good lynch today either. His last post conforms to how I think BC actually thinks about the game. I don't think he is necessarily right, as it is certainly possible for Palmar to be of either alignment-for now, I lean town given that Palmar actually took time to make a spreadsheet (and some of the reads make sense) but I don't think he is a good lynch. With all of this said, I think the kill for today should be: Hopeless1der or Meapak. I would prefer to kill Hopeless today, and so I'm not going to comment on why I find Meapak scummy. I think Hopeless is the best lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725¤tpage=2 Looking at Hopeless's posts, he questions a lot and stays mostly under the radar. If you notice, he takes no opinions of his own. He also says things scum are very likely to say: "I don't find this guy scummy, but....idk, it might pigeonhole me later so I might lynch him later!" He said that about literally every player that was brought up. In addition, he took the random lynching VERY seriously, and often the people who take things like that very seriously are either scum or dumb. I certainly don't think Hopeless is dumb, so that leaves scum. Finally, his meta: Here are quotes from 4 different games. Try to note the differences, before I point them out myself, and try to see if you can guess his alignment correctly. + Show Spoiler [game1] + On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote: Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game. My main problem with Release is this post: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote: EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @release Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes. Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet. Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct? Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote: On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote: On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan! I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently. On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote: Lol if muso has a town partner he should claim now to avoid a mislynch... Anything else would be brain dead logic And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed? Also, unanswered questions: Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? Show nested quote + On November 02 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo. ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 03 2012 01:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2012 01:34 Muso wrote: It's 3am here and I doubt I'll be awake for the end of day. It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax This post just strengthens my resolve to lynch you Muso. "If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der." In this scenario, I'm scum for NOT wanting to lynch a townie. Please clarify what you mean if you're still around. On November 03 2012 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote: On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. Huh? Why do you want the vote to be easily manipulatable by scum? 8 is a good number. You are pretty much condoning last-minute shenanigans with this bullshit. Two people switch at the last second and claim they were doing what you wanted, but didn't see the other's switch. It's stupid. 8 is fine, 9 is better for consolidation. Is that a short answer for "fuck it, lynch Muso"? + Show Spoiler [game2] + On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: @Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue. Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! @Jingle - Well, I didn't (and still don't) know to what it refers. I'd google it, but if its anywhere as bad as it seems, doing so from work is probably a bad idea. This better not give me nightmares... On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote: On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: @Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue. Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! What do you mean? I don't see a contradiction here... What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined.. - There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another. Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later. On July 05 2012 10:19 Hopeless1der wrote: This will be a good test to see how a bandwagon gets started then I suppose. Jingle's done this before, just calling someone out based on their name being strange or the icon next to their name. The early posts are just random crap to get people talking. His post about lurkers is suspicious, but if we let people lurk, there's going to be some scum in the pile. Throwing an early lynch at lurkers forces them to be more active, so there is more chance at scumslips instead of nothing to go on at all for those players. They all look scummy when they say and do nothing. The last couple games I've played/obs'd have been riddled with people being replaced and lurking and it completely screws with town's ability to make consistent reads. However, most of those games were majority lynch so the lurker problem had a much bigger impact. If we have scum reads we should definitely push them. I don't think a lynch lurker mentality is that beneficial to town given our voting system. Any lurking scum can jump on any suspicion very easily and not look any worse than the next lurker that just follows the pack. Good scum reads will force them out of the woodwork to cast suspicion on someone else. And I'm still not casting a vote as we're still waiting on 4 players to make a post and for Evulrabbitz and zen_man to do something relevant. The way rabbitz has disappeared concerns me as he ducked out just as we started getting to the not completely useless posts. + Show Spoiler [game3] + On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote: On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote: On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote: I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually.
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote: Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up ...Jingle, you can read just fine. Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote: On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote: Why don't you like wherebugsgo? Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) On August 04 2012 08:58 Hopeless1der wrote: At a quick once over, Zeph is looking scummiest right now, but Hier just broke my sarcasm meter. While I'm fixing it I'll be looking more closely at Zeph within the next couple hours. Meanwhile, ##Unvote: Glasse Sounded like a straightforward read of wbg, considering wbg just shat all over the "mason claim" discussion. I don't like that he jumped to the conclusion that bugs is scum, but at least something to back it up, so Glasse checks out so far. EBP (Edit before post) and oh crap we already lost a townie. Role of Zorkmid is Townie or 'unknown'? Its green so I assume townie, but I'd like to confirm. On August 08 2012 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I sincerely apologize for my lack of activity. In hindsight I should have requested a replacement as my co-worker went on vacation and I've been working stupid amounts of overtime to make up for it. I will be more active from tonight going forward (still at work right now). My reads today are that between Erandorr, VE and Bugs, there is likely to be scum and I think that it's Erandorr right now. The case against bugs is largely his meta, which I am not familiar with. His mason debacle could go either way, his rage as well. All WIFOM and perhaps "Anti-Town" but NOT the same thing as "Scummy" to me. More trolling than anything else, and look what happened to master troll Grush. This is not enough for me to want to vote him. VE is (or was) vehemently against voting bugs:+ Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP. This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. With people meta'ing, hes apparently suspicious due to his lack of activity, which he says is due to his mason role, and sounds plausible to me. His case against Erandorr makes much more sense to me than Eran's defense of it. Eran tried to accuse VE of neglecting questions and received a prompt response, and Erandorr takes it out of turn to dispute it. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 10:48 Erandorr wrote: VE, wtf. Can you please look at those quotes in context? 1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him 2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer. 3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see. 4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts" Show nested quote + No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about Show nested quote + Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!! Liar. About the "wifom" I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia. I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are WBG VE Jingles Broodking Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? ) ##Vote wbg I am out, good luck with the game. The main point is he paraphrased VE in the nested quote's "I don't give a fuck" sentiment when VE was specifically referring to the MASON stuff. This occured AFTER the second quoted post, which was followed by: Show nested quote + On August 07 2012 09:31 Erandorr wrote: 2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore? Wasn't the mason thing the whole reason Eran thought bugs was scummy at the start? (Or "anti-town") Erandorr's attempt to pass off VE's case as contradictory is incredibly scummy to me, and he immediately says "I am out", leaving no opportunity to grill him further. Based on this interaction, I find VE to be townie. ##Vote: Erandorr On August 09 2012 02:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2012 02:17 talismania wrote: On August 09 2012 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote: That to me looks like VE is angry with you and wants you to pay for almost mislynching him. If you flip town, we'll be hard pressed to pick between him and bugs for who to lynch tomorrow after the whole eran-ve-bugs triangle. I don't know about the 'make up for my folly tonight'. I'm expecting an epic case near the deadline right now. tbh I'm expecting 3 or 4 cases right around the deadline tonight, plus the rest of the mason logs. what do you mean "if I flip town" and then "lynch tomorrow"? You know something about the NKs that I don't? I don't know anything about the NK's. I was making an inference based on the situation you described with him coming up with a vig shot on you. If you were to somehow get shot tonight, you said you suspect VE of having a hand in it, though you can't understand how thats possible if he's a mason. You being shot (by him) would assume hes scum. My comment about the lynch tomorrow was that in no way does you flipping town confirm him as scum. I'm still of the opinion that at least one of VE-Bugs-Eran is scum, and since eran has flipped town my choices there are down to two. + Show Spoiler [game4] + On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote + As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote: It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase:I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote: Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him. I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite + Show Spoiler + Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic On September 05 2012 03:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Because it's not necessarily a mistake at that point, its just a fake-claim. It kind of makes sense for an assa to do it, but not for a blue because scum have no way to track visits. We've since learned that Nosy Neighbors are not self-aware. Mistake or not, the fakeclaim was made by MATTCHEW. Not some random player, but specifically the one that Toad referred to and referred to again when you continued to poke at him. And Rewok, Show nested quote + On September 05 2012 03:08 Rewok wrote: Ottox - This is a lot of fighting for a random townie. Seems like a really specific save. If Mattchew turns up Mafia, my next vote is Otto, for sure. Likewise, I'm not voting Ottow if Mattchew turns up green / blue. That's a stupid way to look at things. Do you think Ottoxlol is legitimately trying to save Matt or just being a jerk because he won't read. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote: need an honest answer. What do you consider worse: a) People not thinking while posting / reading b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him. Ninja'd by Toad. Oh well. On September 07 2012 01:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2012 09:04 DoYouHas wrote: Now that we are sure about Matt, I think I have found scum in Hopeless1der. Hopeless and Broodking are the two people who posted cases on people other than Mattchew (Forumite and Toad, respectively) in the time period between when BC's attack and Palmar's confirmation. This I think is a very important period of time because the uncertainty of the town on how to deal with BC and Matt makes it the best time for scum to try and divert the wagon of their scumbuddy. Both Hopeless and Brood's cases could have been made with that intent, but I see Hopeless as scum easier than I see Brood. Brood had expressed his distaste for Toad earlier in the game and just doesn't fit the reluctant busser as well as Hopeless. I have already taken issue with some of his case on Forumite Here. But when you combine his case with the post he made a page earlier. You have to admit that it looks awfully like he is attacking BC (the main proponent of a Matt lynch) and then trying to divert to another target. Not convinced this is what he was doing? Here is the first line of his case on Forumite: On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Moving on to his "voteswitch" On September 04 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.I never actually did vote in the first place, but anyways: ##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: Mattchew 2.Reasoning: See the entire fucking thread. 1. - He never did vote Forumite. this reads to me exactly like he was trying to use his case to divert the Matt bandwagon, and after Palmar confirmed the fakeclaim, is trying to save face. (Funny how nobody seems to call him out for this voteswitch despite searching for defenders of Matt.) 2. - He doesn't seem to happy to be switching to a guaranteed fakeclaim that is very likely scum right here, odd. After Hopeless' vote has settled onto Mattchew I note 2 more things that read scummy to me. First, in these two posts (1)(2) Hopeless jumps at the chance to be the information provider, a very easy way to 'contribute' and with someone as inactive as Hopeless a definite scumtell. Second, On September 05 2012 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote: This waffley statement is definitely something I would expect from scum.-snipped massive nested quotes- The whole point of his case is that you pushing DP wasn't a real scum read, it was errant Day 1 bullshit. Which most of the thread was at that point. I still think he's scummy because that's a shitty case at the time it arose, but it's reasonably consistent, despite the misinformation. To sum up, I think Hopeless1der fits a reluctant busser that is trying to slide by extremely well and I want to lynch him ASAP. In my filter, I have this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 12:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2012 14:34 BroodKingEXE wrote: Nosy neighbor is standard miller(the neighbor doesn't know they are nosy)? Blues have to visit their target as well as Mafia, correct? Check out this post on page 8. It was never answered in thread and it has been edited. In addition, the set-up appears to have been tweaked: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: Due to slight setup tweaks, mafia now has permanent 2kp. It will not change over the course of the game. Take note, however, that no member of the mafia can deliver more than 1 kp, so effectively the mafia will drop to 1kp when there is only one member left. (page 9, again it's been edited) Moral of the story is we don't know and BC needs to stop bullshitting us if he does in fact know something that the rest of us seem to have missed. Followed by my case on Forumite in this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote + As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote: It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase:I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote: Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him. I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite + Show Spoiler + Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic I was not convinced by BC's argument of "You're Lying, You're Scum" and didn't piece together the fact that I would need to PM the mods to confirm the miller self-awareness debacle. That was really stupid on my part but thankfully Palmar dealt with it for us. The thread was in a shitty place and I wanted to focus on something other than just calling people liars. I wasn't necessarily attacking BC, I just wanted him to stop strong-arming the thread and actually put together a coherent thought towards HOW he knew he was right. His argument to me was "I'm right, suck it bitch" and I found that infuriating. (I completely understand why he did it after the fact, fear of modkillage and whatnot). In an effort to get away from that, I made a case on someone I found scummy and put it forth to try to get some other discussion going. Once Palmar confirmed Mattchew's lie, I was 100% behind his lynch and didn't want to waste time being questioned about why. Nor did anyone bring it up, as you pointed out. The reason why I didn't vote for forumite is...I forgot about the voting thread; Whoops? The reason I pointed out the fact I didn't vote for forumite is...I didn't vote for forumite and wanted to be as transparent as possible about what I'd done. I didn't mean to 'fakevote' but it happened and I wanted to make it clear what my intentions were, so I explicitly unvoted Forumite in order to Vote Mattchew. In regards to point (2) I don't seem happy? What the fuck is this statement? How do you determine happiness based on my voteswitch to a confirmed liar? Why should I have to explain the reasoning when its in the thread for the past however many pages ever since BC knew Mattchew was lying. If anything, this would have been me HARD bussing Matt, not reluctantly as you've claimed stated. I will concede that the "provider of information" posts are scummy. It also turns out I -(think)- I was wrong in my discussion with BC(2), I'm sure that's going to make me scum for pushing misinformation. My response to Shady(1) especially looks bad given the length of my filter. Not much I can do to change that now. The waffley statement was me asserting that while I don't think Miltonkram was 'lying' (which you snipped out of the quote btw), I still think he was scummy because his case was complete shite relative to the pace of the thread when he made it. Ergo I think Milton is scum. Is that less waffley? Why does Matt flipping red imply that I'm red as well? Why can't I be continuing to hunt scum? I still think Forumite is scum. My case was not an effort to divert the thread, it was an attempt to focus it. I wasn't around to do so, and feel free to call me scum for not following through before, but wait and see, you'll run out of steam on that front in a moment. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der I suppose I'm glad you dont think I'm dumb, but can you elaborate on the part where I took random lynching too seriously? Also I presume I'm not allowed to play the guess my alignment game. | ||
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On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote: tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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On January 05 2013 04:20 wherebugsgo wrote: also lol @ hopeless actively lurking. He said nothing for 3 hours and had no comments on the major goings-on but as soon as I make a case on him he shows up. I thought you said we needed to stop spamming. And yes, I do that regardless of alignment. Could you expand a bit on me taking random lynching too seriously? @Marv: On January 05 2013 04:17 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote: On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake how do you feel about BC, dear? Apologies if you've already answered this before. Right up until he voted Palmar, I wouldn't have looked twice. He seemed to have been keeping up with the thread and somewhat cared, especially his prodding at yamato for example + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote: On January 04 2013 02:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 04 2013 02:26 yamato77 wrote: On January 04 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 04 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote: On January 04 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On January 04 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote: On January 04 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On January 04 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote: [quote] Half-baked because he includes zero reasoning and zero other things besides names of people. Pretty useless IMO. I think you're taking it a little too seriously. And talking about random names will just clutter up this thread even more. If those are his honest scum reads I think the guy is full of shit and totally worthless to town, as he has been basically the whole game so far. That's my point. A trolling chez is typically more useful then 90% of the players in a game. You may not like that answer or agree with it but it is straight up fact. I've never played with him before so I have no idea if this is the case or not. However, this logic is used to defend a lot of veteran players on Day 1, so I don't think it particularly useful to say at the moment. eh? You will find that logic should be shot and burned for all players who are not notoriously trollish regardless of alignment of vet players. IE chez or bill murray. Anyone else trying to pull off the "hes trolling day 1 its fine" argument is retarded. Day 1 people begin the trend of how they will play in a game typically. A day 1 troll is likely going to be a troll all game. The only difference is if they have random insight in their posts. So far only chez's rantings are even remotely interesting / relevant from the trolls. What has he said that has been worthwhile so far? Go read his filter. Im not your translator and hes being insanely direct for his normal insanity. He clearly has posted his reads and even called people out. Find out which ones and *gasp* you might realize his posts do actually contain content. I know who he thinks is suspicious but I have no idea why he thinks that or how he thinks what he's doing is helping town lynch those people. It looks like finger pointing masked by a roleplay facade. But fine, I'll give him time because I have reads that lead me elsewhere. You vouching for him is enough to make me reconsider my position at the moment. Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? but his vote against Palmar looks really forced and then he disappears. He's certainly scummier than you are right now, and no one is biting on CC ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote: Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless. ##Vote: Hopeless1der Comment on Palmar, Marv or BC in the meantime | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:27 Keirathi wrote: bugs, your reaction to the claim is troubling. Show nested quote + On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote: On December 02 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote: On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN! Paranoia, as town, with a town amrv claiming cop. Quite a different reaction here :o bugs is scum btw | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:17 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote: Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless. ##Vote: Hopeless1der Comment on Palmar, Marv or BC in the meantime Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far. Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1. BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. [b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b] Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. ALSO, STARSENSES THANK YOU FOR BEING TOWN GRUSH, YOU ARE THE GREATEST. Sidenote: Please dont get me. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:44 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + This game is not a normal game. If Marv is fakeclaiming, scum will take a severe blow by sacrificing KP.On January 05 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote: This is a desperation claim, not to mention according to Ace logic that is always perfect, you should always lynch day 1 roleclaimers. Don't unvote marv, kill that scummy bastard Then I'll just shoot him. I mean scum will. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:45 iamperfection wrote: emergency vote count plz I ballpark 11 - BC 10 - Marv 5 - Me | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:54 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + Because I want him dead. Bad.On January 05 2013 06:53 Promethelax wrote: I don't think hopeless is happening lazer. Why pretend? There there Lazer, there's always tomorrow. And then you can make that sweet case you never had time to, right? | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:59 grush57 wrote: SAVE BC I can claim blue too if you like | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 07:25 Foolishness wrote: On January 05 2013 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I am actually seriously confused atm. The BC day claim thing didn't make any sense Have you read the Brown One's filter? yes, where are you going with this? Have you read mine? Thoughts on Hopeless? Where have you been? I missed you. Are you ever going to answer me? | ||
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On January 06 2013 01:32 Toadesstern wrote: God screw this. I'm not going to read all this bullshit, but someone said Palmar claimed Jeadong? That's some interesting information. That's kind of a weird name, isn't it? 1st log, bottom of page 68, ctrl+f jae | ||
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On January 04 2013 12:30 debears wrote: We aren't masons. We aren't talking (besides telepathy) I'm just roleplayin with Chez cuz I love Chez To the people saying dibbers is masoned with chez. Personally I believe this. | ||
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On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, okay, my bad. Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases? Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now. | ||
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On January 06 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote: How about my case on Sentinel? I think marv's case on MZ is stronger and I would also rather lynch CC first, but your case is something I'd give a second look to. I feel the strongest point in your case on sent is the 'implications' that hes town. Also you called him Jackal a couple times I think towards the end. Lazy and lurky might be his meta, I'm going to skim a couple of his games. | ||
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On January 06 2013 03:36 tube wrote: well i was planning on trying once more shit happened but having no information on town side kinda makes you wary of saying anything Modkill this please. This is how you play against your wincon | ||
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On January 06 2013 04:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + You know, every time I see you post, I just want to kill you even harder -.- ...On January 06 2013 01:45 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, okay, my bad. Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases? Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now. Can you give a SOLID reason to why you shouldn't adress the case right now? Why does it matter for YOU if other players fear giving an opinion? I hope you realise that the odds of you dying tonight from scum is non existant basically. Oh, I'm not worried about myself dieing to anything but a vig. However, I seem to be the most likely candidate now that marv is dead and gone. I want this issue fresh when people come back to it so there is no excuse for them to neglect to comment on your/wbg's case. | ||
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On January 06 2013 04:23 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + How can you guys not see Hopeless as scum? He claims that he is the MOST likely lynch target for tomorrow despite almost everyone who commented on it dissmisses it as''not so scummy''? Can you really see a town motivation for this? On January 06 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote: On January 06 2013 04:14 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 06 2013 01:45 Hopeless1der wrote: You know, every time I see you post, I just want to kill you even harder -.- ...On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, okay, my bad. Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases? Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now. Can you give a SOLID reason to why you shouldn't adress the case right now? Why does it matter for YOU if other players fear giving an opinion? I hope you realise that the odds of you dying tonight from scum is non existant basically. Oh, I'm not worried about myself dieing to anything but a vig. However, I seem to be the most likely candidate now that marv is dead and gone. I want this issue fresh when people come back to it so there is no excuse for them to neglect to comment on your/wbg's case. Also, your reasoning is crap once again. I'm afk for a while. I'm sorry, should I have qualified with "one of..."? There are cases on MZ, Sentinel, 2 cases on me, Lamp's list of blurbs and general feeling behind lynching CC and shooting tube. In addition there's a load of waffle about whether Palmar being wrong makes him scum (it makes him scum-my) and some general shitflinging to no avail. Discussing ME and the cases against me is in my opinion a good thing for town, and since the thread generally dies at night (in addition to it being a weekend) I'd rather wait until Day in order to do it. Like you said, I`m not going to die, so what`s the hurry? | ||
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If you want to meta me, do it on a game of similar scale. Most recently, that was Chrono Trigger, where scum-Z-boson made this case on me, where the primary point against me was a lack of scumhunting:+ Show Spoiler + On November 25 2012 15:23 Z-BosoN wrote: Hopeless1der Allright guys, I'm pretty confident he's scum at this point. There isn't really much to say, but he simply has not scumhunted. The only part of his play where he actually bothers analyzing someone's play, is a defense of sand's lynch. Now, that alone is not scummy by itself. Normally I'd give that a town read - actually, as scum generally don't like sticking their necks out for other scum. However, it goes from not-so-scummy to unbelievably scummy when this post: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 00:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day On November 21 2012 17:00 sandroba wrote: On November 21 2012 15:59 syllogism wrote: Sandro who do you think is [most likely to be] town so far? I'll do better and give you 2 I have a pretty good town read on: Diodude and oatsmaster. @Djoref I'll try to put in an effort and explain my reads properly when the time comes, but I'm gonna wait a little more before I do that. 'When the time comes' would most likely have been when he was close to being elected leader. However, his activity dropped and we shifted to syllo. On November 22 2012 17:26 sandroba wrote: @syllo that was me quickly reading through the thread and answering stuff after going out. I ignored your mafia question because honestly I'm not putting too much thought into it. When I can't acertain the dude is town I pretty much dismiss it till later, since so far we can't really do much about it. I'm kinda hurt that you think there is a >50% chance that I'm mafia. </3 On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent: On November 22 2012 17:29 sandroba wrote: I'll probably be taking oats/die/kush (if he doesnt die). kush ended up dying and we didn't hear much more from sand on the topic, but the fact remains, he picked 2 members of the party quite early. On November 22 2012 17:38 sandroba wrote: @gk from what he claimed marv needs to have less than 30 hp for him to die? Well I'd rather just wait then think about it. It's pretty lucky that I can get those 3 tbh, that would be ideal imo. This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity. I need to go find someone I do want to lynch. Is the ONLY attempt of analyzing someone's play he makes in the entire game. Also, note the bolded part, at the end of the post. He finds that he feels to find a lynch choice. He spends an entire post answering and fluffing about (also needlessly taking the chance to defend sand): Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 01:08 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 24 2012 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Hopeless, how does predicting the party show his alignment? It doesn't, but it is definitely not scummy to me. He called out what I presume are two townies (event success) very early. That supposed ability is why he was a candidate in the first place, and he has lived up to that expectation in my eyes. Granted, he gave little in the way of reasoning, and it would be immensely easy to do so as mafia when you know which 'newbies' are town (or at least not mafia), but its still a point in his favor that his most recently proposed party (die/oats/kush) would likely have succeeded as well. (Man, Cyrus and Glenn in the same party? IMBA!) On November 24 2012 00:56 Clarity_nl wrote: On November 24 2012 00:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Can everyone get over the fact that sand has been inactive and just gave a weird excuse and read his filter and my case, please? This goes especially for the people sheeping without giving reasons other than him going inactive. Wait, I'm doing that thing where I care more about the method than the result again, aren't I? A little bit, but I don't think you're wrong to insist we make a goddamn read for ourselves. Your case on sand shows that he's not trying to win the election. His activity could be to blame for that. -> He doesn't give strong or informed reads. Withholding reasons for a townread to me is not scummy until those same townreads become scumreads. If he continues to read a player as town, I'm fine with that. If they suddenly change to scum, only then do I feel I deserve to know his entire thought process. As a candidate for party leader, I can see why people would want his reads to be as transparent as possible, but I believe that winning the events is more important and I don't consider his 'not trying' to be scummy. But when it comes to actual scumhunting, here is what he comes up with: Show nested quote + On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote: On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote: On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote: On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChronicler p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. Let us take a look at some of his previous games, where he was town. Here is day one of TLVII (yes, I'll cite this again) Day one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=21#402 From mario. He has posts where there is a discernable amount of interest in finding scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=22#438 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=43#841 And even: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=89#1765 Now, I learned my lesson from Mario - don't go too heavy in this regard when dealing with hopeless. However, my meta-related case on him on mario came much earlier than here. ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=50#986 ). This was a day one case, in which he had not contributed in any regard. Right now, we are in day 3, and yet he still manages to not have made a single case or a single dignified attempt at scumhunting. Even in mario, a game where he was lurky as all hell, he had shown signs and attempts at scumhunting, something which has not yet occured this game. In this game, there is not a single sign of actual interest in finding scum. He spends half his time fluffing, and half his time speculating on setup and roles and what not. Onwards There is, also a bonus argument this game. Let's observe how inconsistent as all hell he's being in regards to his vote on sand, day one. One of his first posts: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! He demonstrates here, bolded above, that the interest in vote mechanics this game lies down to:
Now, I have a strong tendency to misinterpret, but here it is extra clear that he finds it necessary for town to win the party. He even makes it clearer: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 13:46 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 21 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote: On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! No. Setup speculation is for chumps. I'd like to hear your thoughts on who we should choose for a party leader and why. Choose town. Win events. Kill Lavos. This has already been covered. I don't have any strong townreads yet. So in the meantime, I want to plant some ideas about how the setup works because you can bet your ass its going to matter. He then votes sandroba, without any form of reasoning: Show nested quote + My vote is probably going to sandroba. Second hand knowledge from Looney mafia suggests that he'll have everyone in the game crapping their pants by this time tomorrow. When jumped on, he says this: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 00:27 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 22 2012 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote: Can you guys explain why you have such strong town reads on sand? I really don't see it. Oh, I don't have a strong townread on him, but I believe him to be a strong town player that most people believe is easy to distinguish his town play from his scum play. Which is in direct contradiction to his stated views. Here's what I think happened: Scum Hopeless went ahead and posted his thoughts on the thread. However, on the QT, mafia decided that their best shot was to elect sandroba. Hopeless quickly voted, without being clear on his intents and purposes, and had to justify himself later. Funnily enough, he only maintains this line of thought for a moment, because later on in the game, look at what he has to say regarding the town leader: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 03:13 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote: On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote: On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote: On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that. Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. If they're strong, motivated town players who can in turn read others correctly as town, I want them as party leader. Activity isn't the only indicator, and getting others to talk shouldn't require you to be leader. Thus being completely inconsistent on his own views. This makes much more sense than him actually changing his mind over time about what the hell it is that he finds important for his leader to be elected. He then goes full derp with his vote. First says that, out of nowhere, he wants to move his vote to syllo (which was becoming a trend at the time): Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote: On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote: On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote: Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. I disagree that it completely neuters the information, and I'm moving my vote to syllo. This is completely different from a no-lynch, as you must be aware. We get to know his party. If his party fails, he will explain his reads. If they succeed, then blind faith successful, town wins the event. I respect that you want his reads upfront and feel it would make for a more informed choice of elected leader, but it is Day 1 after all, and while I think you are town Hapa, I like the plan that syllo and djo have put forth about withholding information from the scumteam to prevent harm to our possible success. It is my opinion that this game is more heavily geared towards winning the theme than winning the mafia game, and that means succeeding at events. I think syllo is just as capable as you at picking townreads, and just as likely to be town as you are. This means that from a party leader perspective, syllo provides a better chance at succeeding in the event than you currently do. ##Unvote: sandroba ##Vote: syllogism Not answering Hapa's point regarding syllo at all, just saying he "disagrees" with it. Then, BAM: Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der Things and such. Again, without saying anything. I view that he is trying to fit in his vote, without looking too suspicious. In nowhere does he retract his views on sand, in nowhere does he justify where he's putting his vote. He just follows suit with the thread and what he thinks will make him look less suspicious. tl;dr It is of my opinion that hopeless is playing the "lazy scum game", where he just goes around talking with people without ever really trying to find scum. If this meta is not enough, he demonstrates mafia mentality in his actions. I'm pretty convinced he is filthy, filthy scum. Again, LVII would be a better game to meta me against if you want to paint me as scum due to lack of scumhunting. That's not what my town mentality is. I read the game and pay more attention. I review the votethread and notice when things are out of place. Basically, I give a shit. Me failing to scumhunt is not indicative of my alignment, its indicative of me not having a strong scumread to pursue. If you wouldn't mind telling me how I was so much more useful in Chrono Trigger than this game, it'd be nice. I'm aware the mechanics are different, but I essentially played hide behind the vets for a while. I also went off on a massive clusterfuck of a tangent that hinged on me dieing in order to make a case on someone else, Toad was involved there again so he should remember from CT. Lazer's second post regarding my bandwagon stances: You point out a couple times where I dont like Palmar but I wont lynch him. The first quote in your post has my explanation: Palmar (and marv) are on my do not lynch Day 1 list. Someone asked me a question for general opinions on the game, and I reaffirmed that I found palmar scummy, but clarified my stance immediately. When I say "yet" in the third post you quoted (regarding you, Lazer) its because I had you at null and I wasn't comfortable voting for you without believing you to be scum. However, I found something suspicious in what you did and I pointed it out. Regarding my CC vote, your case does not properly reflect how I came to the conclusion to vote CC in the first place. I read his filter this game, then in witchcraft, then in his newbies and concluded that he is more than capable of being useful and he subsequently promised something. He then failed to deliver and I wanted him lynched for it. He didn't just sit by the sidelines and watch, he SAID HE WOULD DO SOMETHING, and then DIDN'T DO THAT SOMETHING. After that, he sat by the sidelines and watched. Also, 5 lines of discussion is more than none. I've been consistent, I haven't flipflopped (then again, why would I have had to, right?) I've been to the point and direct about who I DO want to kill (CC, WBG, MZ at the moment). I have not contributed much to scumhunting, I know, but I haven't been derailing the thread or being generally unreadable. I've been paying attention to the thread and I've tried to get bugs to expand on his case against me. I want to discuss it, but he refuses to interact with me, and I don't know why that is. I've made multiple attempts, tried to catch him when he's active but he continues to ignore me. For the things like active lurking, and being more concerned with my own life, or being scared of dieing, I attempt to address people that have (semi)-attacked me because I know my alignment and its one of the few things I do know. Scum know I'm town, so I'm trying to get people to back up what they say with regard to me so that I can get a stronger read on them in return, to try and figure out if they legitimately believe what they are saying or if they're just chasing lynch-bait (me). | ||
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Day Vigilante (Need to pick a member to get the role during the day during the night. Then he pms the host and kill is executed as fast as host sees it.) No where there does it say you must post in thread. Certainly plausible, and also completely fucking imbalanced because it evades all night actions I think. | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:15 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote: 1KP: Day Vigilante (Need to pick a member to get the role during the day during the night. Then he pms the host and kill is executed as fast as host sees it.) No where there does it say you must post in thread. Certainly plausible, and also completely fucking imbalanced because it evades all night actions I think. What night actions does it evade? There are no town roleblockers, watchers, trackers, etc. I think it evades rolechecks and paramedics. Also, mafia won't trigger mad hatter's | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 03:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Jesus stop fucking spamming. Coming from me, this game has too many posts and I spam myself quite a lot. The last four pages at least have been nothing but one liners. I went to sleep 7 hours ago and the thread was inflated by 300 posts. What the fuck? What makes any of you think that posting so much useless shit is helpful for finding scum? First of all, Palmar is right now possibly the most anti-town player in the game. Literally no one has a good reason to be on marv right now, and if you have sheeped Palmar you really need to get your head out of your ass and go read a newbie guide. Two things on this point: #1 marv is not a good lynch today. He's a very good asset if he is town and he is quite honestly not that scummy. Certainly he hasn't done much today but you can say this about literally anyone. Nothing in his filter seems to have been motivated by a scum background and everything he has said can be plausibly explained from a town perspective. He's a good enough player that if his reads are bad (they are not) and if he has not done anything for a few days (yes, a couple days-he's a prime night kill target if town) then he should die. I am highly surprised that Palmar is choosing to attack marv on such weak evidence (he basically cherry-picked his filter) when there is, IMO, a much better vet target in the game that you could make a much stronger case on (Foolishness). + Show Spoiler + However I'm not suggesting we kill Foolishness today since he is arguably the best asset for town in the game if he is town, and generally his day 1 is very trolly and lurky #2 BC is not a good lynch today either. His last post conforms to how I think BC actually thinks about the game. I don't think he is necessarily right, as it is certainly possible for Palmar to be of either alignment-for now, I lean town given that Palmar actually took time to make a spreadsheet (and some of the reads make sense) but I don't think he is a good lynch. With all of this said, I think the kill for today should be: Hopeless1der or Meapak. I would prefer to kill Hopeless today, and so I'm not going to comment on why I find Meapak scummy. I think Hopeless is the best lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725¤tpage=2 Looking at Hopeless's posts, he questions a lot and stays mostly under the radar. If you notice, he takes no opinions of his own. He also says things scum are very likely to say: "I don't find this guy scummy, but....idk, it might pigeonhole me later so I might lynch him later!" He said that about literally every player that was brought up. In addition, he took the random lynching VERY seriously, and often the people who take things like that very seriously are either scum or dumb. I certainly don't think Hopeless is dumb, so that leaves scum. Finally, his meta: Here are quotes from 4 different games. Try to note the differences, before I point them out myself, and try to see if you can guess his alignment correctly. + Show Spoiler [game1] + On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote: Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game. My main problem with Release is this post: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote: EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @release Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes. Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet. Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct? Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote: On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote: On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan! I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently. On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 02 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote: Lol if muso has a town partner he should claim now to avoid a mislynch... Anything else would be brain dead logic And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed? Also, unanswered questions: Show nested quote + On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? Show nested quote + On November 02 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo. ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 03 2012 01:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2012 01:34 Muso wrote: It's 3am here and I doubt I'll be awake for the end of day. It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax This post just strengthens my resolve to lynch you Muso. "If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der." In this scenario, I'm scum for NOT wanting to lynch a townie. Please clarify what you mean if you're still around. On November 03 2012 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote: On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. Huh? Why do you want the vote to be easily manipulatable by scum? 8 is a good number. You are pretty much condoning last-minute shenanigans with this bullshit. Two people switch at the last second and claim they were doing what you wanted, but didn't see the other's switch. It's stupid. 8 is fine, 9 is better for consolidation. Is that a short answer for "fuck it, lynch Muso"? + Show Spoiler [game2] + On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: @Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue. Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! @Jingle - Well, I didn't (and still don't) know to what it refers. I'd google it, but if its anywhere as bad as it seems, doing so from work is probably a bad idea. This better not give me nightmares... On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote: On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: @Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue. Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! What do you mean? I don't see a contradiction here... What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined.. - There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another. Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later. On July 05 2012 10:19 Hopeless1der wrote: This will be a good test to see how a bandwagon gets started then I suppose. Jingle's done this before, just calling someone out based on their name being strange or the icon next to their name. The early posts are just random crap to get people talking. His post about lurkers is suspicious, but if we let people lurk, there's going to be some scum in the pile. Throwing an early lynch at lurkers forces them to be more active, so there is more chance at scumslips instead of nothing to go on at all for those players. They all look scummy when they say and do nothing. The last couple games I've played/obs'd have been riddled with people being replaced and lurking and it completely screws with town's ability to make consistent reads. However, most of those games were majority lynch so the lurker problem had a much bigger impact. If we have scum reads we should definitely push them. I don't think a lynch lurker mentality is that beneficial to town given our voting system. Any lurking scum can jump on any suspicion very easily and not look any worse than the next lurker that just follows the pack. Good scum reads will force them out of the woodwork to cast suspicion on someone else. And I'm still not casting a vote as we're still waiting on 4 players to make a post and for Evulrabbitz and zen_man to do something relevant. The way rabbitz has disappeared concerns me as he ducked out just as we started getting to the not completely useless posts. + Show Spoiler [game3] + On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote: On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote: On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote: I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually.
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote: Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up ...Jingle, you can read just fine. Show nested quote + On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote: On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote: Why don't you like wherebugsgo? Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) On August 04 2012 08:58 Hopeless1der wrote: At a quick once over, Zeph is looking scummiest right now, but Hier just broke my sarcasm meter. While I'm fixing it I'll be looking more closely at Zeph within the next couple hours. Meanwhile, ##Unvote: Glasse Sounded like a straightforward read of wbg, considering wbg just shat all over the "mason claim" discussion. I don't like that he jumped to the conclusion that bugs is scum, but at least something to back it up, so Glasse checks out so far. EBP (Edit before post) and oh crap we already lost a townie. Role of Zorkmid is Townie or 'unknown'? Its green so I assume townie, but I'd like to confirm. On August 08 2012 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I sincerely apologize for my lack of activity. In hindsight I should have requested a replacement as my co-worker went on vacation and I've been working stupid amounts of overtime to make up for it. I will be more active from tonight going forward (still at work right now). My reads today are that between Erandorr, VE and Bugs, there is likely to be scum and I think that it's Erandorr right now. The case against bugs is largely his meta, which I am not familiar with. His mason debacle could go either way, his rage as well. All WIFOM and perhaps "Anti-Town" but NOT the same thing as "Scummy" to me. More trolling than anything else, and look what happened to master troll Grush. This is not enough for me to want to vote him. VE is (or was) vehemently against voting bugs:+ Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP. This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. With people meta'ing, hes apparently suspicious due to his lack of activity, which he says is due to his mason role, and sounds plausible to me. His case against Erandorr makes much more sense to me than Eran's defense of it. Eran tried to accuse VE of neglecting questions and received a prompt response, and Erandorr takes it out of turn to dispute it. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 10:48 Erandorr wrote: VE, wtf. Can you please look at those quotes in context? 1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him 2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer. 3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see. 4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts" Show nested quote + No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about Show nested quote + Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!! Liar. About the "wifom" I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia. I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are WBG VE Jingles Broodking Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? ) ##Vote wbg I am out, good luck with the game. The main point is he paraphrased VE in the nested quote's "I don't give a fuck" sentiment when VE was specifically referring to the MASON stuff. This occured AFTER the second quoted post, which was followed by: Show nested quote + On August 07 2012 09:31 Erandorr wrote: 2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore? Wasn't the mason thing the whole reason Eran thought bugs was scummy at the start? (Or "anti-town") Erandorr's attempt to pass off VE's case as contradictory is incredibly scummy to me, and he immediately says "I am out", leaving no opportunity to grill him further. Based on this interaction, I find VE to be townie. ##Vote: Erandorr On August 09 2012 02:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2012 02:17 talismania wrote: On August 09 2012 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote: That to me looks like VE is angry with you and wants you to pay for almost mislynching him. If you flip town, we'll be hard pressed to pick between him and bugs for who to lynch tomorrow after the whole eran-ve-bugs triangle. I don't know about the 'make up for my folly tonight'. I'm expecting an epic case near the deadline right now. tbh I'm expecting 3 or 4 cases right around the deadline tonight, plus the rest of the mason logs. what do you mean "if I flip town" and then "lynch tomorrow"? You know something about the NKs that I don't? I don't know anything about the NK's. I was making an inference based on the situation you described with him coming up with a vig shot on you. If you were to somehow get shot tonight, you said you suspect VE of having a hand in it, though you can't understand how thats possible if he's a mason. You being shot (by him) would assume hes scum. My comment about the lynch tomorrow was that in no way does you flipping town confirm him as scum. I'm still of the opinion that at least one of VE-Bugs-Eran is scum, and since eran has flipped town my choices there are down to two. + Show Spoiler [game4] + On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote + As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote: It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase:I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote: Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him. I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite + Show Spoiler + Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic On September 05 2012 03:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Because it's not necessarily a mistake at that point, its just a fake-claim. It kind of makes sense for an assa to do it, but not for a blue because scum have no way to track visits. We've since learned that Nosy Neighbors are not self-aware. Mistake or not, the fakeclaim was made by MATTCHEW. Not some random player, but specifically the one that Toad referred to and referred to again when you continued to poke at him. And Rewok, Show nested quote + On September 05 2012 03:08 Rewok wrote: Ottox - This is a lot of fighting for a random townie. Seems like a really specific save. If Mattchew turns up Mafia, my next vote is Otto, for sure. Likewise, I'm not voting Ottow if Mattchew turns up green / blue. That's a stupid way to look at things. Do you think Ottoxlol is legitimately trying to save Matt or just being a jerk because he won't read. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote: need an honest answer. What do you consider worse: a) People not thinking while posting / reading b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him. Ninja'd by Toad. Oh well. On September 07 2012 01:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2012 09:04 DoYouHas wrote: Now that we are sure about Matt, I think I have found scum in Hopeless1der. Hopeless and Broodking are the two people who posted cases on people other than Mattchew (Forumite and Toad, respectively) in the time period between when BC's attack and Palmar's confirmation. This I think is a very important period of time because the uncertainty of the town on how to deal with BC and Matt makes it the best time for scum to try and divert the wagon of their scumbuddy. Both Hopeless and Brood's cases could have been made with that intent, but I see Hopeless as scum easier than I see Brood. Brood had expressed his distaste for Toad earlier in the game and just doesn't fit the reluctant busser as well as Hopeless. I have already taken issue with some of his case on Forumite Here. But when you combine his case with the post he made a page earlier. You have to admit that it looks awfully like he is attacking BC (the main proponent of a Matt lynch) and then trying to divert to another target. Not convinced this is what he was doing? Here is the first line of his case on Forumite: On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Moving on to his "voteswitch" On September 04 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.I never actually did vote in the first place, but anyways: ##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: Mattchew 2.Reasoning: See the entire fucking thread. 1. - He never did vote Forumite. this reads to me exactly like he was trying to use his case to divert the Matt bandwagon, and after Palmar confirmed the fakeclaim, is trying to save face. (Funny how nobody seems to call him out for this voteswitch despite searching for defenders of Matt.) 2. - He doesn't seem to happy to be switching to a guaranteed fakeclaim that is very likely scum right here, odd. After Hopeless' vote has settled onto Mattchew I note 2 more things that read scummy to me. First, in these two posts (1)(2) Hopeless jumps at the chance to be the information provider, a very easy way to 'contribute' and with someone as inactive as Hopeless a definite scumtell. Second, On September 05 2012 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote: This waffley statement is definitely something I would expect from scum.-snipped massive nested quotes- The whole point of his case is that you pushing DP wasn't a real scum read, it was errant Day 1 bullshit. Which most of the thread was at that point. I still think he's scummy because that's a shitty case at the time it arose, but it's reasonably consistent, despite the misinformation. To sum up, I think Hopeless1der fits a reluctant busser that is trying to slide by extremely well and I want to lynch him ASAP. In my filter, I have this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 12:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On September 02 2012 14:34 BroodKingEXE wrote: Nosy neighbor is standard miller(the neighbor doesn't know they are nosy)? Blues have to visit their target as well as Mafia, correct? Check out this post on page 8. It was never answered in thread and it has been edited. In addition, the set-up appears to have been tweaked: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: Due to slight setup tweaks, mafia now has permanent 2kp. It will not change over the course of the game. Take note, however, that no member of the mafia can deliver more than 1 kp, so effectively the mafia will drop to 1kp when there is only one member left. (page 9, again it's been edited) Moral of the story is we don't know and BC needs to stop bullshitting us if he does in fact know something that the rest of us seem to have missed. Followed by my case on Forumite in this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote + As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote: It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase:I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote: Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote: On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote: On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote: Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote: What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote: On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum? Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him. I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote + On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote: On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite + Show Spoiler + Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic I was not convinced by BC's argument of "You're Lying, You're Scum" and didn't piece together the fact that I would need to PM the mods to confirm the miller self-awareness debacle. That was really stupid on my part but thankfully Palmar dealt with it for us. The thread was in a shitty place and I wanted to focus on something other than just calling people liars. I wasn't necessarily attacking BC, I just wanted him to stop strong-arming the thread and actually put together a coherent thought towards HOW he knew he was right. His argument to me was "I'm right, suck it bitch" and I found that infuriating. (I completely understand why he did it after the fact, fear of modkillage and whatnot). In an effort to get away from that, I made a case on someone I found scummy and put it forth to try to get some other discussion going. Once Palmar confirmed Mattchew's lie, I was 100% behind his lynch and didn't want to waste time being questioned about why. Nor did anyone bring it up, as you pointed out. The reason why I didn't vote for forumite is...I forgot about the voting thread; Whoops? The reason I pointed out the fact I didn't vote for forumite is...I didn't vote for forumite and wanted to be as transparent as possible about what I'd done. I didn't mean to 'fakevote' but it happened and I wanted to make it clear what my intentions were, so I explicitly unvoted Forumite in order to Vote Mattchew. In regards to point (2) I don't seem happy? What the fuck is this statement? How do you determine happiness based on my voteswitch to a confirmed liar? Why should I have to explain the reasoning when its in the thread for the past however many pages ever since BC knew Mattchew was lying. If anything, this would have been me HARD bussing Matt, not reluctantly as you've claimed stated. I will concede that the "provider of information" posts are scummy. It also turns out I -(think)- I was wrong in my discussion with BC(2), I'm sure that's going to make me scum for pushing misinformation. My response to Shady(1) especially looks bad given the length of my filter. Not much I can do to change that now. The waffley statement was me asserting that while I don't think Miltonkram was 'lying' (which you snipped out of the quote btw), I still think he was scummy because his case was complete shite relative to the pace of the thread when he made it. Ergo I think Milton is scum. Is that less waffley? Why does Matt flipping red imply that I'm red as well? Why can't I be continuing to hunt scum? I still think Forumite is scum. My case was not an effort to divert the thread, it was an attempt to focus it. I wasn't around to do so, and feel free to call me scum for not following through before, but wait and see, you'll run out of steam on that front in a moment. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der Is that neither marv nor BC are good lynches today (i.e. yesterday). He doesn't want to explain his scum read against MZ. Foolishness is way scummier than marv, but doesn't deserve to die because this is a normal day 1 for him. He seems to have spent a reasonable amount of time investigating my meta, but he doesn't have the wherewithal to quote my posts THIS GAME or discuss my play, other than to give a general summary of the scummy game I've played. This is an incredibly easy thing to do, I could do it to half the playerbase I'd bet, but we cant ALL be scum, can we? WBG does nothing to prevent marv or BC from dieing, despite being active, fails to really push my case until AFTER marv claims, and even then doesn't really try that hard. Talk about apathy. Since his case, he has 20ish posts until the lynch. Twice he mentions his case on me, before the day ends: On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote: On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. On January 05 2013 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote: lay off BC, I don't think he is scum. I am 100% behind a Hopeless lynch, however. Marv are you an alignment cop or rolecop? How many uses? Please go back and read through his filter, especially after his case against me. For someone who thinks town is derping on BOTH lynch candidates, bugs doesn't seem to care that much, and doesn't do a reasonable job of even trying to get me lynched. ##Vote: wherebugsgo I'm still willing to lynch Mr.CC or Meapak, but how about a fresh perspective on things. | ||
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