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On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around

On January 05 2013 05:53 Promethelax wrote:
I'm very sure I'm not voting palmar.

On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote:

I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me.

On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote:


what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play?

To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today.

On January 05 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote:

No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link?

On January 05 2013 06:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wait, where the fuck is Marv? Why is he absent NOW?

On January 05 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote:

No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link?

On January 05 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:
Keir I'm town. it should be obvious. you calling me scum when I vote for Marv based on reasons I have entirely of my own is dumb. I may be wrong but whatever, it's what I think and Marv is getting lynched

On January 05 2013 05:14 yamato77 wrote:
So this is exactly what I thought was going to happen when I went to sleep.

Palmar got his head out if his ass and now looks like town Palmar. Even Marv cannot deny that at this point. BC looks scummy for saying otherwise.

By extension this makes me see Marv as more likely to be scum. I don't give a shit about meta on Marv because he is a good enough player to change it, but I do care that his strongest scum read, and indeed the only person he has really tried to push a lynch on, is actually town. Palmar gave the reason that Marv changing his read from null to scum while Palmar is trolling, and this is somewhat indicative of my thoughts on the matter. It was after I pointed out that Palmar wasn't taking the game seriously like he did when I saw town Palmar that Marv decides to attack that angle of his play and vote for him. It worked, I sheeped it, because it was right. However Marv hadn't given any indication before this point that he wanted to lynch Palmar for what he was doing. He had said it was all not alignment indicative.

Not to mention that town Marv doesn't get lynched. He said soi himself before the very first game I played with him. Town Marv would never be in this position because by now people would actually have a town read on him. He hasn't done anything to give me that sense of his intentions this game which makes me all the more comfortable with switching my vote off of Palmar and onto Marv.

Sorry Marv, but if you're town you haven't done a good job proving it to me.

##Unvote
##Vote: Marvellosity

On January 05 2013 05:58 Keirathi wrote:

If you're so comfortable with a marv lynch, then at least give me some discussions on my counter-points about marv. Maybe you think I'm terrible and my reasoning doesn't matter, but just humor me, k?

@Yamato:
less emotional would have been better Yamato. I saw you getting influenced by people and how they posted and thought you're raging a lot. And I think you did or it at least altered your reads a lot because you ended up pushing people who made you mad if I remember correctly.

On January 05 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:
Keir I'm town. it should be obvious. you calling me scum when I vote for Marv based on reasons I have entirely of my own is dumb. I may be wrong but whatever, it's what I think and Marv is getting lynched

On January 05 2013 06:10 wherebugsgo wrote:


who knows, he's either pissed off or he's scum who knows he's dead.




http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&currentpage=84#1672



wut?



LOL you've done nothing but sheep Palmar. In fact, before Palmar made his case on marv you were sheeping marv in attacking Palmar!

Saying you've come to the conclusion by yourself on reasons you made on your own to lynch marv is incredibly misrepresentative of what actually happened in this game. It's not even a good lie.

On January 05 2013 06:16 yamato77 wrote:

Bugs you couldn't read me to she your life. Last game you thought I was scum after I made an unopposed Miller claim and lynched the GF day 1.

This game I'm being less of an overreactive asshole an now people want to use it against me.

Perhaps I sheeped a couple times but the lynches agreed with my own reasoning. If you don't see that in my filter you're just lying.

On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote:
Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless.
##Vote: Hopeless1der

On January 05 2013 06:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Marv never did a case on Palmar. Marv pressure voted Palmar, rightfully so, It has nothing to do with Marv being wrong or right on Palmar though.

On January 04 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
I'm still pretty happy with my vote on Palmar, for reasons already given. There's nothing in what Palmar has done so far that suggests in the slightest that he gives a shit for town, and he should be one of the town leaders.

This is further exacerbated by a conversation I had with him on IRC a few days ago. We were just talking about his play a little, and I'd told him that a weakness in his play was that he often got caught up in thinking what a town player "should" do, and being wrong as being a scumtell. Shortly after he wrote this in a QT:

"Palmar
12-31-2012
08:39 PM ET (US)

I have a weakness in my game where I just think everyone that doesn't agree with me when I'm right is scum, and everyone who does is town. There is absolutely no reason for me to think Bugs is scum, only the fact he's been wrong all game long. That doesn't make him scum though."

And twice in this conversation on IRC, related to this, he said that Day 1 was his strongest day, because he's not encumbered with flips and this sense of right and wrong.

So his manner of play today makes this even more galling. This is supposedly his strongest day as town by some margin, and he's decided to use it by claiming scum 3 times, generally trolling, giving no reads, or at least no explanation for his reads. As far as I can see, he's banking on people viewing his retarded play as town somehow, even though there is literally nothing townie about it. Recently in his townplay he has been quite happy to tell people why he finds certain people town, and then when he decides someone is scummy, he gives good reasons why. Just none of it this game.