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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 07:54 GMT
#3434
On January 09 2013 16:50 kushm4sta wrote:
fine ill do debears
##vote debears


kush do prom with me
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 07:59 GMT
#3436
there's stuff in my filter, but basically he's sheeped lynches (CC + debears) and been acting anti-town, uninvolved, etc which should set off alarms if you've played with town prom. his town play is so town it's almost sickening lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 08:34 GMT
#3452
On January 09 2013 17:19 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 16:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2013 16:50 kushm4sta wrote:
fine ill do debears
##vote debears


kush do prom with me


@ thrawn

So, do you want to lynch Prom or me ?
Do you change your lynch candidate based on the general opinion of the thread ?


@ djo


....idk. I thought my case was really good at the time but everyone ignored it and attacked the only other person calling you scum (debears) all at the same time which REALLY made me think I was on to something. I looked at your case on debears and while I didn't really agree with it I didn't find anything in the case that further confirms my read. So my overall read on you is less certain than it was say, during the night phase.

all that being said I still want to lynch you but i can't for the life of me get anyone to talk about the djo case so idk where my vote's gonna end up at the moment
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 21:29 GMT
#3548
On January 10 2013 06:19 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okey, I just recondsidered my CC lynch. I actually think he is the scummiest player in the game right now.

So, CC have not only been lurking these past few days. He has been posting exactly 1 post each cycle for the 2 last cycles. Now, I asked myself today, what would be the town motivation for this. I couldn't find an answer. As town, why wouldn't he try? I can take that he doesn't have time/don't care but why the heck wouldn't he just ask for a replacement. To be frank, even a modkill on CC would be beneficial for us right now. He knows this. Everyone knows this. There are a clear mafia motive in playing like CC tho.
Unvote
Vote: Mr. Cheesecake


What? You're talking like he's town in the bolded part
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 21:36 GMT
#3551
On January 10 2013 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
Also, you dodged my question...


talking to me?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 21:40 GMT
#3555
On January 10 2013 06:37 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Who will speak for Promethelax?

Who I ask?!


Actually I think it's more a town tell that nobody is speaking for him.
It means it's less likely than he has scumbuddies.
On the opposite, the thing about CC is that his lynch is not as easy as it should be. There is some diversion, some resistance. But at the same time, he is a very easy bus target for his team if he is scum.



What are you trying to say about CC lynch? I don't get any kind of read from that
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 21:42 GMT
#3558
On January 10 2013 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
owfuck, I read you as kush. I'm sorry : (. Well, while we are at it, what's your opinion about CC?


mostly same as kush's o.0

basically... I witnessed Witchcraft Mafia.

Everyone considering a CC lynch REALLY needs to go read that game. Don't even look at his/anyone else's alignment before you read his filter.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 21:55 GMT
#3565
On January 10 2013 06:49 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 06:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 10 2013 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
owfuck, I read you as kush. I'm sorry : (. Well, while we are at it, what's your opinion about CC?


mostly same as kush's o.0

basically... I witnessed Witchcraft Mafia.

Everyone considering a CC lynch REALLY needs to go read that game. Don't even look at his/anyone else's alignment before you read his filter.
Yhea, but the games are diferent arenät they? he posted shit loads of stuff in that game so he is obviously not fitting in his town meta at all(which doesn't say too to much because he doesn't actually fit his scum meta either IIRC, which makes the meta a null). And I don't buy the argument: ''he was bad in witchcraft and town, thus every time he is bad, he is scum.'' That would just be silly. Actually it would be double silly, because you could NEVER lynch CC implying that logic. Can you tell me ONE reason for him to play like he does as town. And I'm not talking about not contributing but rather the fact that he doesn't care about the game YET he does post 1 post every cycle in order not to get modkilled.


it's about his "I'm not gonna do my part because I don't care or am too lazy to provide rational analysis and idc who calls me out for it" attitude

and no I can't think of a good reason for why he'd do it as town but that doesn't mean he cant be doing it. whatever reasons might exist are obviously dumb

did you actually read witchcraft? please do it, and tell me what you imagine his emotional state during that game to be
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 21:58 GMT
#3566
On January 10 2013 06:46 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 10 2013 06:37 Djodref wrote:
On January 10 2013 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Who will speak for Promethelax?

Who I ask?!


Actually I think it's more a town tell that nobody is speaking for him.
It means it's less likely than he has scumbuddies.
On the opposite, the thing about CC is that his lynch is not as easy as it should be. There is some diversion, some resistance. But at the same time, he is a very easy bus target for his team if he is scum.



What are you trying to say about CC lynch? I don't get any kind of read from that


I think that CC lynch is also a scum lynch because it's not an easy lynch, not as easy as it should be given his contributions. I think that both debears and CC are scum.
But we cannot trust anyone voting CC because I think it would be very easy for some member of the scumteam to bus him if he is scum.
I'm totally fine lynching CC or debears today.

What about you ? Who would you like to lynch at the exception of Prome and me ?


currently warming back up to the idea of lazer, but you two are still in the lead
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 22:01 GMT
#3567
whatever, idc. i'm not gonna try too hard to save him but his lynch seems lazy/scummy.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 22:08 GMT
#3571
lol djo. explain how i'm not pushing my candidates? nobody is willing to talk to me about you being scum.

and i don't see what your fixation on me specifically "building a case" on prom is. is there some magic case per cycle quota i'm not reaching?

how do you feeel about my prom push? would you vote him?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 22:12 GMT
#3573
On January 10 2013 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am thrawn, what else do you have besides "Djo doesn't scumhunt ever"? I've told you that I think he's townie, that doesn't mean I'm not willing to discuss him with you.


there's a marked difference between how he's playing now and how he was playing at the time I posted the case. you quoted my "tldr" version of it but did you read the case?

of course he'd try to correct the specific thing I called out.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 22:28:45
January 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#3577
ebwop:

@ve

idk... i dont get what point you're trying to make. do scum always need scum motivation to do things? if it's something that makes them seem like town, and it wouldn't hurt them too badly, why wouldn't they "help out" the thread every now and then? do you really think mz was the the only town person (and therefore potential mislynch) among the list of whoever the thread was considering for lynching at that time?

like your agrument seems extremely similar to "a scum wouldn't give town reads on a townie"
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 22:27 GMT
#3579
On January 10 2013 07:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 06:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 10 2013 06:49 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 10 2013 06:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 10 2013 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
owfuck, I read you as kush. I'm sorry : (. Well, while we are at it, what's your opinion about CC?


mostly same as kush's o.0

basically... I witnessed Witchcraft Mafia.

Everyone considering a CC lynch REALLY needs to go read that game. Don't even look at his/anyone else's alignment before you read his filter.
Yhea, but the games are diferent arenät they? he posted shit loads of stuff in that game so he is obviously not fitting in his town meta at all(which doesn't say too to much because he doesn't actually fit his scum meta either IIRC, which makes the meta a null). And I don't buy the argument: ''he was bad in witchcraft and town, thus every time he is bad, he is scum.'' That would just be silly. Actually it would be double silly, because you could NEVER lynch CC implying that logic. Can you tell me ONE reason for him to play like he does as town. And I'm not talking about not contributing but rather the fact that he doesn't care about the game YET he does post 1 post every cycle in order not to get modkilled.


it's about his "I'm not gonna do my part because I don't care or am too lazy to provide rational analysis and idc who calls me out for it" attitude

and no I can't think of a good reason for why he'd do it as town but that doesn't mean he cant be doing it. whatever reasons might exist are obviously dumb

did you actually read witchcraft? please do it, and tell me what you imagine his emotional state during that game to be
Like I said, His attitude is actually not the reason I am voting him.

I will not read witchcraft, it's a waste of time. My impression is that he was a posty town who played quite bad and appeared to be scum. So as far as I am concerned, his meta is not relevant in this situation at all.

Also, if you cannot see a reason for him to do it as town you should either try to find it or vote him. Period.


ffs monkey you are being so anti town with how you're trying to push this on me.


monkey asks for any small reason that cc might be town

thrawn says "go read witchcraft!"

lazer says "i won't read witchcraft!"

..........


Like I said, I'm not going to fight his lynch too much because if I had to policy lynch someone right now it'd be him. but there are people who have substance to their filter that I think makes them worth lynching, which is way better than lynching someone because you cant find good reasons not to lynch them
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 23:06 GMT
#3610
On January 10 2013 07:44 Promethelax wrote:
Thrawn, if you are around, I want to know why it is that you think I am scum when I have showed you that in YAN I was town and playing the same way.


prom this is gonna be the last time we have this exact same argument

first, the case doesn't only concern meta differences, and the meta differences you're saying i'm talking about ARE NOT the ones i'm talking about. You say you were rude or mean or called people dumb or wahtever in yan. I'm not disputing that prom of whatever alignment can do that. You did that to me in looney when you were town. What I'm talking about in this game is your blatant anti town vibe especially considering that's the last thing we need. I've described your town play as "sickening." When I say 'sickening" that doesn't refer to what specific words you choose to call players and how nice or rude you are being, it refers to how obvious it is that you are looking for scum and want to help town.

town prom is so town it's sickening. even if he flames people from time to time.

you can be town and call people names and still help town... that idea has nothing to do with what i'm saying


can you stop misrepresenting this argument?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 23:18 GMT
#3616
On January 10 2013 08:10 Promethelax wrote:
I'm trying to understand your argument so I can know if you are town who thinks you have a good case or scum pushing a mislynch. I'm sorry I don't see those arguments as holding much water.

I assume you mean ACME and not looney?


talking about whichever was one where you mislynched me for being afk on the last day. darthpunk was scum. you said a number of unpleasant things about/towards me that game

and fuck... name calling is not waht i'm talking about! It's the intent/motivation behind the name calling combined with other things about your attidude/actions that deteremine if you're having a pro town or anti town effect on the thread

dont know how much clearer I can make that

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2013 23:43 GMT
#3644
On January 10 2013 08:19 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 08:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 10 2013 08:10 Promethelax wrote:
I'm trying to understand your argument so I can know if you are town who thinks you have a good case or scum pushing a mislynch. I'm sorry I don't see those arguments as holding much water.

I assume you mean ACME and not looney?


talking about whichever was one where you mislynched me for being afk on the last day. darthpunk was scum. you said a number of unpleasant things about/towards me that game

and fuck... name calling is not waht i'm talking about! It's the intent/motivation behind the name calling combined with other things about your attidude/actions that deteremine if you're having a pro town or anti town effect on the thread

dont know how much clearer I can make that



Prove it. Give me the evidence of this anti-town play that you so desperately want me to have. You keep saying my attitude is anti-town. Show me, show the thread.


Times where prom states/implies that he's useless and or doesn't know what's going on in the game

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 05 2013 03:41 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 03:27 Kurumi wrote:
Promethelax is replacing Tunkeg! <3

Hey all. I haven't been following this game, don't know what cycle (day/night) we're in or anything really. I'll do my best to catch up but it'll be a day or two before I'm very useful.

I assume Tunkeg was under suspicion? Since he is, after all, Tunkeg. But yeah, I'm town.

Quick, someone, give me the synopsis of this huge fucking game.


On January 05 2013 03:43 Promethelax wrote:
Oh, I see we're in lynch cycle.

Can anyone link me to cases against the lynch targets? And a vote count?


On January 05 2013 09:15 Promethelax wrote:
Going to work. Still mad about yet another...I'll try to be useful when I get back.


On January 06 2013 07:17 Promethelax wrote:
I still haven't given this the read through it deserves. I'll read it when I get home from work in 12 hours and give my thoughts. Sorry this is taking me so long to get to, I joined up at the worst possible part of the week for me. 12 to 13 hours I'll be back. Hold me to it.


On January 06 2013 20:47 Promethelax wrote:
okay, I'm here and finally getting a chance to read this game I'm in. Anyone have anything I should look at in particular?


On January 06 2013 21:40 Promethelax wrote:
No idea yet. I'm on page 29 and I don't like him much but literally nothing has happened at that point in the game/


On January 06 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, I'm going to bed. I've not finished reading the thread but I've made a decent dent. I'll talk to you all tomorrow. Good luck town!


Prom posting in ways that shut down discussion. He talks to people in a way that if they're town they don't care to continue their conversation with them.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 08 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
I just want everyone to be modkilled for playing against their wincon so I don't have to listen to this tripe anymore.


On January 08 2013 04:16 Promethelax wrote:
Holy fuck. No wonder Marv wanted out.


On January 08 2013 04:16 Promethelax wrote:
Fuck you cheesecake.


On January 08 2013 04:59 Promethelax wrote:
Did you read Cheese's post Kush? Or any other part of this game?



And recently you've been going along with these extremely popular debears/cc lynches...... I don't buy that you're trying to figure how who's scum. You're just coasting along playing into the bad thread atmosphere, even encouraging it at times. I will admit that just recently you've made an effort to look like town prom but same as djo, but this happened right after I started calling you so your most most recent efforts is somewhat of a null read.

Yes, a large amount of this is meta. But this is prome... he's a guy who jumped into acme with a high possibilty of being lynched and managed to look VERY town almost immediately. His behavior in this game is scummy of its own accord but it's even scummier considering that it's comming from prom
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2013 18:06 GMT
#3774
i still think we should lynch prom or djo. leaning prom atm because lately djo has had more scumreads and more things to say about them. of the two he also seems more invested in the lynch atm.

Prom has been misrepresenting my arguments for a good amount of the game. He started by acting useless/ignorant and then went on to acting mad/not caring. He's also not very invested in the game. I've already said it before.... these things are all scummy on their own but coming from prom i really dont see him being town. He's been called out for a few people but he's not really close to being lynched and I think he's fine with that.

Can everyone say what they think about prom? Lots of people have mentioned that they're thinking about him but nobody is really saying if they would lynch him or not/
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2013 18:27 GMT
#3779
On January 11 2013 03:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Thrawn did you have a response to Prom answering your post showing his "anti-town mentality"? It looks like you just ignored it.


his post was basically "no you're wrong." he says he replaced into the thread and didnt know what was going on... by why repeatedly tell us this? Especially since the thread was already so frustrating to read, I don't see why he would further waste anyone's time with stuff like that. And it's not as if the posts where he does that are concentrated, they're quite spread out. the stuff i quoted was from the first 44 hours.

And with the second selection of quotes, there is a huge level of hypocrsy in what he's doing. His stance during that time of the game was that the thread was bad, therefore, it's not worth his time to try and talk to people... that's what I mean by shutting down diuscussion. Add both of those things together and that's close to all prom has done this game.

He's sheeped on the debears/CC lynches and I've been suspicious of those lynches for a long time now. He doesn't seem too invested in the lynch besides asking people questions here and there, and spending a bunch of time trying to misrepresent my arguments.

And there's this quote.....

On January 09 2013 11:17 Promethelax wrote:
weee, I'm blates town you guys.

Don't really care what Kush thinks since he is dumb as fuck and has no idea how to read anyone but I thought better of you Thrawn.

I wish Keir was still in this game, at least he knows and understands my meta. Your meta cases are bad. You are bad. Stop being bad.



.... he calls kush dumb as fuck, said he thinks better of thrawn, tells people to stop being bad. there is no suspicion in that post. this came at a time when I'd expect him to be the most suspicious as people were starting to call him scum.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2013 18:39 GMT
#3787
On January 11 2013 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Thrawn I support Promethelax as a counterwagon to Toad. I agree that he looks more like scum than town, but I feel like Toad has a higher chance of flipping scum.

Wish me luck with my wagon - I wish you all the luck with yours. May we both get what we want in the days to come.


how much emphasis are you putting on the jackal thing for toad? You've spent a lot of time wifoming about palmar's death and how it may or may not mean anything about toad as well. there's also the thing about him giving up... but it seems like several other players have done this already? Do you have anything to say in his filter relating to his reads/votes/thoughts that might make him scum?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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