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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 03 2013 02:30 GMT
#641
because if he's too clever to slip so stupidly as mafia, it's really easy just to say something like that as mafia because it doesn't mean anything.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 03 2013 02:32 GMT
#642
You're saying it's just as likely he reverse-reverse-reverse-psychologied as it is that he reverse-reverse-psychologied?
What do you think of Tunkeg?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 03 2013 02:32 GMT
#643
On January 03 2013 11:30 marvellosity wrote:
because if he's too clever to slip so stupidly as mafia, it's really easy just to say something like that as mafia because it doesn't mean anything.


So Palmar said yet another useless thing with no significance. Why am I not surprised. Why is anyone surprised at this.

Why are we even considering this to be anything more than Palmar-talk?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 03 2013 02:34 GMT
#644
On January 03 2013 11:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
You're saying it's just as likely he reverse-reverse-reverse-psychologied as it is that he reverse-reverse-psychologied?
What do you think of Tunkeg?


I'm saying there's no point talking about ti because he could easily say such a thing as either alignment

i don't think much of tunkeg, maybe lean slightly town because he had another go at me when probably by now he would know that he'd always lose if he took me on. but it isn't much.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 03 2013 02:34 GMT
#645
On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:43 grush57 wrote:
do a video palmar!


Nah, I read my role pm, it'll be too hard to fake that I'm town on camera.


How did no one jump on this btw? I'm going with the logic that Palmar is too dumb to slip so it was a trap, which makes him clearly town in my book.

This was intentional to me. Palmar doesn't seem like the kind of player who would slip like that, so I read that post in a joking tone. That said, I certainly don't have a townread on Palmar. Then again, I wouldn't lynch him either, but only because I've fucked that up once in the past and he's almost always a prime target for mafia KP, so I'm much more comfortable leaving him alive. Despite his shitty reasons for voting bugs and being generally trolly for the time being, I don't think it is ever worth lynching him Day 1 because he's so likely to get shot all the time. Same goes for marv on the "do not lynch Day 1 list"
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 03 2013 02:36 GMT
#646
On January 03 2013 11:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:30 marvellosity wrote:
because if he's too clever to slip so stupidly as mafia, it's really easy just to say something like that as mafia because it doesn't mean anything.


So Palmar said yet another useless thing with no significance. Why am I not surprised. Why is anyone surprised at this.

Why are we even considering this to be anything more than Palmar-talk?

noone is considering it to be anything. Apparently besides Clarity that is.

As Marv said, Palmar knows that noone thinks he's that stupid, therefore everyone knows it's bullshit. Palmar is capable to post bullshit as both mafia and as town. Wether that bullshit is actually true or not is totally insignificant for the assertion of said bullshit.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 03 2013 02:37 GMT
#647
On January 03 2013 11:36 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:30 marvellosity wrote:
because if he's too clever to slip so stupidly as mafia, it's really easy just to say something like that as mafia because it doesn't mean anything.


So Palmar said yet another useless thing with no significance. Why am I not surprised. Why is anyone surprised at this.

Why are we even considering this to be anything more than Palmar-talk?

noone is considering it to be anything. Apparently besides Clarity that is.

As Marv said, Palmar knows that noone thinks he's that stupid, therefore everyone knows it's bullshit. Palmar is capable to post bullshit as both mafia and as town. Wether that bullshit is actually true or not is totally insignificant for the assertion of said bullshit.


All this Palmar talk is really going in circles back to the same conclusion.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 03 2013 02:38 GMT
#648
What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?

They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people.
Writer@WriterYamato
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 03 2013 02:38 GMT
#649
On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:43 grush57 wrote:
do a video palmar!


Nah, I read my role pm, it'll be too hard to fake that I'm town on camera.


How did no one jump on this btw?


because it's 0

On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm going with the logic that Palmar is too dumb to slip so it was a trap, which makes him clearly town in my book.


you clearly get to conclusions too fast.

On January 03 2013 11:16 marvellosity wrote:
oh yeah, Palmar has pushed random lynch as scum too. icebreaker != alignment indicative


yes, yes. I am not sold about palmars alignment yet. But as long as he plays protown - and getting the game going is protown - we have no problem.

One thing, I still don't want to let go, is MZs post about Palmar. It seems he knows Palmar is town, and he thinks it's obvious enough for everyone else, to just yell it out.

And therefor i think Palmar is really town and MZ is scum. Can you follow?

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 03 2013 11:08 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:07 supersoft wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:06 supersoft wrote:
yeah, that game was pretty epic with annul - I died n1 :-(

what do you guys think of a mason massclaim btw...
If scum wants to have a mason, they will be forced to invest 0.5 KP right now until the end of the game...
I mean we can verify them pretty easy...


nvm, we can do this later on, too.


lol and I am an idiot for warning them :D
now they know my trap


nvm. wasnt a good trap
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 03 2013 02:39 GMT
#650
Seriously, why do people start talking about townreads all the time?
I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that.

There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 03 2013 02:39 GMT
#651
indeed Cheesecake. Although actually the most interesting thing about it is that Clarity thought it was interesting.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 03 2013 02:40 GMT
#652
On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote:
What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?

They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people.

Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato?
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 03 2013 02:40 GMT
#653
On January 03 2013 11:39 marvellosity wrote:
indeed Cheesecake. Although actually the most interesting thing about it is that Clarity thought it was interesting.


Interesting.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 03 2013 02:43 GMT
#654
On January 03 2013 11:39 marvellosity wrote:
indeed Cheesecake. Although actually the most interesting thing about it is that Clarity thought it was interesting.


Actually the only part that I really thought was interesting was the fact that NO ONE responded to it, but I guess that doesn't get us any reads. You guys are right though my conclusion was rather premature and badly thought out. TT
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 03 2013 02:45 GMT
#655
On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote:
What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?

They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people.

Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato?

Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches?
Writer@WriterYamato
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 03 2013 02:46 GMT
#656
On January 03 2013 11:38 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:43 grush57 wrote:
do a video palmar!


Nah, I read my role pm, it'll be too hard to fake that I'm town on camera.


How did no one jump on this btw?


because it's 0

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm going with the logic that Palmar is too dumb to slip so it was a trap, which makes him clearly town in my book.


you clearly get to conclusions too fast.

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:16 marvellosity wrote:
oh yeah, Palmar has pushed random lynch as scum too. icebreaker != alignment indicative


yes, yes. I am not sold about palmars alignment yet. But as long as he plays protown - and getting the game going is protown - we have no problem.

One thing, I still don't want to let go, is MZs post about Palmar. It seems he knows Palmar is town, and he thinks it's obvious enough for everyone else, to just yell it out.

And therefor i think Palmar is really town and MZ is scum. Can you follow?

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 03 2013 11:08 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:07 supersoft wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:06 supersoft wrote:
yeah, that game was pretty epic with annul - I died n1 :-(

what do you guys think of a mason massclaim btw...
If scum wants to have a mason, they will be forced to invest 0.5 KP right now until the end of the game...
I mean we can verify them pretty easy...


nvm, we can do this later on, too.


lol and I am an idiot for warning them :D
now they know my trap


nvm. wasnt a good trap


yes, i understand, and you could well be right.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 03 2013 02:46 GMT
#657
On January 03 2013 09:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
Owell, I will go to bed now. Will vote Tunkeg for the time being tho it is subject to change.

##Unvote
##Vote: Tunkeg


Waddaya guys think about this vote? Scummiest in thread so far imo.

"So yeah I'm just going to park my vote riiiiiight here. But I'll totes change it guys don't worry"
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 03 2013 02:48 GMT
#658
On January 03 2013 11:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 09:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
Owell, I will go to bed now. Will vote Tunkeg for the time being tho it is subject to change.

##Unvote
##Vote: Tunkeg


Waddaya guys think about this vote? Scummiest in thread so far imo.

"So yeah I'm just going to park my vote riiiiiight here. But I'll totes change it guys don't worry"

Nah Tunkeg was being an idiot, and Lazer throws his vote around. Means nothing.
Writer@WriterYamato
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 03 2013 03:02 GMT
#659
On January 03 2013 11:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Seriously, why do people start talking about townreads all the time?
I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that.

There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird.


I talk about town reads because I am defending my position that people who want to lynch Tunkeg right now are making oh so very stupid decisions.

Also I think they are wrong.

But I defer to your infinite wisdom Toad. Surely you know better than I. Post some information devoid of townreads and do explain on who is the scum and why you are right.

Or at the very least, who you think is wrong.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 03 2013 03:10 GMT
#660
On January 03 2013 12:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Seriously, why do people start talking about townreads all the time?
I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that.

There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird.


I talk about town reads because I am defending my position that people who want to lynch Tunkeg right now are making oh so very stupid decisions.

Also I think they are wrong.

But I defer to your infinite wisdom Toad. Surely you know better than I. Post some information devoid of townreads and do explain on who is the scum and why you are right.

Or at the very least, who you think is wrong.

See the thing is, I haven't mentioned a single town read (besides one that only 1 guy in the thread knows about :3) at all and I don't plan on doing it, neither should you.
I've mentioned a couple of things I consider weird, mainly some things about Palmar and Marv so far.

Not saying I'm the wisdom in person and I never intended it to be that way but it is INCREDIBLY hard to tell a townie who's posting a townread apart from a mafia who's posting a townread while both may look like something useful (it's not).

A townread is best kept to yourself, especially early on.
  1. There's no reason to tell people what the key to making you think someone is town is.
  2. There's no reason to tell mafia (if you're town) who you consider to be a likely townie is.
  3. There's no reason to tell anybody why you think someone is town at all, unless said person is about to be lynched (I don't see that happening right now.

On top of that, it is incredibly easy for mafia to look like they're doing something by posting townreads. They know they're right on something, they don't have to make up bullshit, which they have to when they're doing scumreads unless they're bussing. They can get in the thread make 4 townreads about someone, mix in 2 mafiabuddies and tell people they're mafia as well and there's almost no way to distinguish that from a townie.
I mean there is, but it's just WAY hader than by looking at peoples mafiareads because again, mafia have to make up some bullshit when doing those, they got confirmation bias and already know they're wrong and all that is making it hard for mafias to talk about mafia-reads. Talking about townreads isn't for them, not at all.

That being said, I'd very much like a situation in which we just keep our townreads to ourselves pretty please.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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