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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 14:39 GMT
#1461
palmar has a good case on marv and i want to sheep it but bleh... lots of stuff in that case could be said about amlmost everyone in the thread and i kinda want to attribute marv's laziness to the general laziness of the thread and keep him around longer

lazermonkey scum
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 14:43 GMT
#1468
oh hi lm nice to see u. dont worry more is coming
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 15:09 GMT
#1518
On January 05 2013 00:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote:
Oh shit, what is that hat.

Dunce cap?


LOL
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 15:39 GMT
#1544
some earlier words about lm:

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 03 2013 16:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
lazermonkey strongest scumread atm.

talks about his vote as if it's meaningless......

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 08:40 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 03 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote:
On January 03 2013 08:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 03 2013 08:34 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 03 2013 08:33 iamperfection wrote:
On January 03 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote:
@iamp I didn't run away im lurking.

do you feel like commenting on anything or do you plan on being useless?

no to both
##Vote: kushm4sta

This guy...

let me give you some insight into kush.

he says retarded things all the time regardless of alignment (regardless of being in game or not really). Change your mind at all?
The game just started, and I'm perfectly okay with swapping my vote later on.


......and acts similarly with his tunkeg vote.

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets...


That's absolutely wrong. Lazer go read town grush's filter in hero and let me know if you are willing to stand by that statement.

LM also wants to kill kush because of meta reasons and I disagree with that. scum kush may be a little tricky to pick out but I think town kush is easily identifiable.

Other than pushing policy lynches on players who aren't that hard to read when they're town, Lm hasn't been scumhunting. The closest he's come to scumhunting was his omgus fight with tunkeg and his last stance on that issue was wishy washy (a vote, that, self admittedly will change)




stuff about specific phrasing/word choice

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 03 2013 17:59 Lazermonkey wrote:
I read through the thread quickly once and I must say hopeless looks bad. He has a scum read on Palmar, tho not willing to9 lynch him. And like Toad pointed out earlier, the way he is reacting to post just doesn't make alot of sense to me. In a bad way.

"hopeless looks bad" is not what you say when you're town and think someone is scum, it's what a scum would think to themselves when trying to decide who they want to mislynch. same type of phrasing is used a couple sentences later with "doesn't make a lot of sense to me. In a bad way." It like he's giving us the entire translation process between picking on something to attack and spinning it to make it look like a real accusation.


tunkeg stuff

+ Show Spoiler +
I don't like the entire interaction between lm/tunkeg. LM starts by aggressively going after tunkeg (who I know has a good chance of being mislynched if town) but at the end of his attack qualifies his vote as "subject to change." Aren't all votes subject to change? Why does LM need to tell us this? In his very next post after the vote he says "Will also do a quick meta check on tunkeg to see if he always plays like this. I may consider swapping my vote then." Again, why say this? Why not just do the meta research and let the thread know about your conclusions when you reach them? Looks like he's setting himself up to unvote tunkeg before he even does his "research." Then he explains why tunkeg's meta this game is similar to his play in hero, and unvotes him. I wouldn't expect someone who is so aggressively attacking another player to be staved off by 1 game's worth of meta research.


summary of his general play

+ Show Spoiler +
-Starts off by being open to dumb policy lynches (grush and kush)
-has an omgus fight with tunkeg which he quickly backs down on because of meta
-switched to hopeless after tunkeg, then was open to lynching palmar before all the log stuff happened. there's this quote where he once again begins laying the groundwork for how he going to change his reads before he changes them:
On January 04 2013 19:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 19:39 yamato77 wrote:
On January 04 2013 19:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 04 2013 19:36 yamato77 wrote:
What does he gain from showing the logs? I think him playing the game for real is proof enough. I can get a good read from his opinions on people, I believe.
What opinions...?


Mainly his scum read on Marv. That should be a good one.

He keeps calling me town, which is correct, so he's either playing like smart Palmar from last game or he's buddying me and hoping I sheep him like I did last game.
Well, if he mananges to pull out a good case vs Marv I'm willing not to lynch him.


- tunkeg/hopeless/palmar/marv... those are a mix of extremely bandwagony lynches and potential easy mislynches
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 15:41 GMT
#1546
well i don't want to lynch either you or palmar
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 15:52 GMT
#1554
On January 05 2013 00:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
well i don't want to lynch either you or palmar

How do you feel about cc's promised, yet undelivered, reads

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On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote:
On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:
On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote:
you should join the wagon of justice as well debars


Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny


Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon.

hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all.

What have you to say to this accusation?


It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too.

Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work.



don;t remember who it was but somebody pointed out the difference between scum cc and town cc, scum cc posts are much better quality. in witchcraft i thought cc was 100% scum because of how trollish/annoying/illogical his posts were and he ended up flipping town.

if the point of lynching cc is to lynch a lurker i'd prefer selecting from people with lower content
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 15:58 GMT
#1562
On January 05 2013 00:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 00:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 05 2013 00:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 05 2013 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
well i don't want to lynch either you or palmar

How do you feel about cc's promised, yet undelivered, reads

On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote:
On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:
On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote:
you should join the wagon of justice as well debars


Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny


Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon.

hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all.

What have you to say to this accusation?


It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too.

Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work.



don;t remember who it was but somebody pointed out the difference between scum cc and town cc, scum cc posts are much better quality. in witchcraft i thought cc was 100% scum because of how trollish/annoying/illogical his posts were and he ended up flipping town.

if the point of lynching cc is to lynch a lurker i'd prefer selecting from people with lower content


uhh, unless there was more, I remember it was kush, and thinking 'godamnit' to myself:

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 13:46 kushm4sta wrote:
town cheesecake seems more trolly. "Cool story" etc
scum cheesecake makes cleaner posts. So for meta reasons with 2 games experience.



so... you disagree with those reasons?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 15:59 GMT
#1565
On January 05 2013 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Agree with kush/thrawn on the CC. He can just as well be a lazy townie.


are you not suspicious of me for this "bad case" I made against you?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 16:24 GMT
#1584
On January 05 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote:
@ Thrawn

I want to know why you said that town kush is easily identifiable in your post about LM.
Do you think he is town in this game?How is he easily identifiable as town when he isn't as scum?


already been over this

when kush is town, it's way more obvious that he's town than it's obvious that he's scum when he's scum. especially lately, i think i'm very good about picking out town kush. that's why i dont like a kush policy lynch, cuz town kush isn't that hard to read. i don't really have much of a read on kush yet this game but i think when there are fewer players he'll be way easier to identify

why is this something you have issue with? not relevant to the thread at all imo
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 17:04 GMT
#1599
lazermonkey has 2 votes in the voting list
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 19:41 GMT
#1707
On January 05 2013 04:36 Palmar wrote:
No we're lynching Marv.

@Marv, post your reads if you're somehow town before you die. You don't really have to if you're scum but you can do it anyway if you want to.

Everyone else. do NOT last minute switch off marv, that'd be extremely dumb, even if BC is actually an excellent lynch.


plz no? and explain the bolded part?

i wanna lynch a lurker
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 21:00 GMT
#1780
i think it's dumb to lynch marv or palmar on d1 based on accusations of not playing up to their normal town standard when that's true with most people's play so far.

does anyone on marv bandwagon want to lynch lazermonkey or

+ Show Spoiler +
a lurker?


if neither of those can happen i'm fine with lynching bc if it means we don't lynch marv and can't do either of the first two options
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2013 21:12 GMT
#1791
palmar if you're still here i still want to know why you said lynching marv is correct play even if someone else is an excellent lynch
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 05 2013 13:16 GMT
#2242
hey lazer what do you think of debears?

bonus question: say hypothetically (or not?) you and debears are scum. which of your other scumbuds do you two disagree with the most over what lynches to push?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 05 2013 13:46 GMT
#2284
On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
[quote]Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely.


Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1.
Your reasoning is bad.
I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing.


You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today,

Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense.
Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing?


HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC

You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ.
It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard
In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum.


This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush.
I also like to bus by the way
If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true?


I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game.
But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay.


how does this make sense? you don't think kush is scum because he's not bussing this game? how would you know if he's bussing o.0
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 05 2013 13:59 GMT
#2287
On January 05 2013 22:50 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 22:30 marvellosity wrote:
I'm done with this game. I have requested a replacement, or I will be modkilled.

you already did it? bye.
stop talking them please.


kush is this your new scum meta? could you possibly be more anti-town? i'm not sensing the "fake rage" that comes along with scum kush but it seems like you are being intentionally uncooperative/unreadable

you've done almost 0 independent scumhunting this game, the closest to scumhunting you've reached is your game long tunnel on marv. and most of that wasn't any type of scumhunting, it was either mindless sheeping or calling him scum over and over
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 05 2013 14:10 GMT
#2292
On January 05 2013 23:02 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 22:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
[quote]I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing.


You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today,

Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense.
Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing?


HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC

You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ.
It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard
In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum.


This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush.
I also like to bus by the way
If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true?


I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game.
But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay.


how does this make sense? you don't think kush is scum because he's not bussing this game? how would you know if he's bussing o.0


Because he would post better cases. Because he would know what to look for. As scum, he would also defend townies.
Because this guy loves being right above all. That's the real meta read on scum kush.


there'd be no need for a scum kush to act like normal scum kush in this specific game. he's gone by almost unnoticed by saying marv is scum over and over
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 05 2013 14:11 GMT
#2296
On January 05 2013 23:03 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn I'm not going to have a conversation with you so don't ask me a dumb question like is this my new scum meta. just say if you think I'm scum and be done with it.


that post perfectly matches my above description of your play:

On January 05 2013 22:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 22:50 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 05 2013 22:30 marvellosity wrote:
I'm done with this game. I have requested a replacement, or I will be modkilled.

you already did it? bye.
stop talking them please.


kush is this your new scum meta? could you possibly be more anti-town? i'm not sensing the "fake rage" that comes along with scum kush but it seems like you are being intentionally uncooperative/unreadable


so again, why so anti town? will you have a conversation with me if i call you scum?

kush you're scum

kush do you have any scumreads other than marv?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 05 2013 14:24 GMT
#2301
On January 05 2013 23:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think the case itself isn't bad, but I don't believe hopeless is scum right now.
Policy talk is kind of his thing, as either alignment. Hopeless has this nasty habit as town to not scumhunt, sometimes.
Him switching votes like 4x close to deadline makes me think he's town.
Well, I disagree but OK.


i agree with clarity. in looney lynching he sat in the shadows as town except for whenever he got called out. then as he was no longer in danger of being lynched he went back to lazy mode
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 05 2013 14:42 GMT
#2305
On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:
I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow.


why hopeless and mz? i don't see anything about them in your filter
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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