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On January 04 2013 04:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
Wait, why are you guys going after Cheese cake? If the issue lies in the fact that he isn't contributing then why are you ONLY pushing him? What makes him special when about 30% is at his level of contribution?
where did anyone say they were voting for cheesecake because he wasn't contributing?
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On January 04 2013 04:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 04:23 HiroPro wrote:On January 04 2013 04:00 Lazermonkey wrote:Hiro, are you going to explain anytime soon why you have me as (slight)scumread? You have talked about this two times already although not given a single reason for it. On January 03 2013 08:00 HiroPro wrote:
marvel. i'm thinking about killing hopeless, monkey, and supersoft. which one would you not? On January 04 2013 02:27 HiroPro wrote:
my thoughts: perfection is town. froggynoddy has a good chance to be mafia. lazermonkey could also be, but i'm less sure about him. could just be the way he plays. and vivax probably town too.
the rest of you - who the hell knows?
AMA In your second post you say that it ''could just be the way he plays.''.What is this really supposed to mean. Why do you even feel the need to post it then? You are just throwing doubt at me for no apparent reason right now. I even call you out for this earlier but you ignored/missed it. On January 03 2013 08:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Why do you want to kill me Hiro? You suggested policy lynches on grush/kush, but made no effort to actually push for their lynch and the way in which you overly elaborate on very simple points. I'll share what I want when I feel like it - got it? This is a nice town mentality. In what way do you think we gain on withholding information? My suggestion on killing grush/kush was about as serious as Palmar's WBG push. Read: not serious at all. It was merely a way to try to create discussion. Which turned out somewhat okayish. How do I ''overly elaborate on very simple points. ''? Care to give some examples?
Don't tell me how to play, thanks. I haven't actually voted for you or tried to get you lynched at any point, so there is simply no need for me to explain.
Stuff like this: These are single-sentence points that you just drag out for some reason. They don't actually say anything very meaningful but you spend a lot of time spouting stuff like this.
Randomly lynching still sucks tho. Sure, on avarage it gives us 24,6% instead if 21,1% to hit the right person, however, what do we do next? It's cool to lynch scum. but if we don't, we will more or less have wasted D1. There will be no way of analyzing vote patterns or w/e. The extra 3,5% doesn't make up for the fact that a random lynch doesn't give us anything to work with on the comming day.
So, to summarize a bit, I don't really see these things as townie points TBH. Why? Because you cannot just look how much sense they make from town PoV but also from scum PoV. Calling out strange votes + attacking Palmar can very well give him credit as scum. Thus it all comes down to WIFOM. And thus its a null tell.
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On January 04 2013 04:50 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 04:41 HiroPro wrote:On January 04 2013 04:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 04 2013 04:23 HiroPro wrote:On January 04 2013 04:00 Lazermonkey wrote:Hiro, are you going to explain anytime soon why you have me as (slight)scumread? You have talked about this two times already although not given a single reason for it. On January 03 2013 08:00 HiroPro wrote:
marvel. i'm thinking about killing hopeless, monkey, and supersoft. which one would you not? On January 04 2013 02:27 HiroPro wrote:
my thoughts: perfection is town. froggynoddy has a good chance to be mafia. lazermonkey could also be, but i'm less sure about him. could just be the way he plays. and vivax probably town too.
the rest of you - who the hell knows?
AMA In your second post you say that it ''could just be the way he plays.''.What is this really supposed to mean. Why do you even feel the need to post it then? You are just throwing doubt at me for no apparent reason right now. I even call you out for this earlier but you ignored/missed it. On January 03 2013 08:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Why do you want to kill me Hiro? You suggested policy lynches on grush/kush, but made no effort to actually push for their lynch and the way in which you overly elaborate on very simple points. I'll share what I want when I feel like it - got it? This is a nice town mentality. In what way do you think we gain on withholding information? My suggestion on killing grush/kush was about as serious as Palmar's WBG push. Read: not serious at all. It was merely a way to try to create discussion. Which turned out somewhat okayish. How do I ''overly elaborate on very simple points. ''? Care to give some examples? Don't tell me how to play, thanks. I haven't actually voted for you or tried to get you lynched at any point, so there is simply no need for me to explain.Stuff like this: These are single-sentence points that you just drag out for some reason. They don't actually say anything very meaningful but you spend a lot of time spouting stuff like this. Randomly lynching still sucks tho. Sure, on avarage it gives us 24,6% instead if 21,1% to hit the right person, however, what do we do next? It's cool to lynch scum. but if we don't, we will more or less have wasted D1. There will be no way of analyzing vote patterns or w/e. The extra 3,5% doesn't make up for the fact that a random lynch doesn't give us anything to work with on the comming day.
So, to summarize a bit, I don't really see these things as townie points TBH. Why? Because you cannot just look how much sense they make from town PoV but also from scum PoV. Calling out strange votes + attacking Palmar can very well give him credit as scum. Thus it all comes down to WIFOM. And thus its a null tell.
So you do think town should withhold information like this? Or did you just dodge the question? Regarding the second part, I don't agree but don't feel like arguing. It will just get into a circular argument of whether or not I could've written the sentences in a simpler form.
Yes, I think withholding information is perfectly fine as town. If you don't have anything better to talk about, please stop wasting my time.
Marvel, are you still up for killing froggynoddy?
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only Palmar or do you have someone else you would lynch?
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lol, you finally said it openly huh?
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i imagine debears is. who knows with chezinu.
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have you read the thread yet bugs?
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On January 04 2013 12:40 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 12:35 HiroPro wrote:
have you read the thread yet bugs? read it once, yeah. On January 04 2013 12:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
man this is why people hate meta cases.
There might be differences in Tunkeg's play in this game and the past game, but debears you haven't qualified why the differences make him scum. I mean, cool, he's playing differently. Given that last time everyone chewed him out for being a massive dick, I don't find that alignment-indicative.
Last game I played with Tunkeg I (wrongly) thought Tunkeg was being far more disruptive than in his previous games and he wasn't putting forth reads because he was scum. I was just wrong, and to be honest I don't think anyone really knows why Tunkeg decided to play in that manner (perhaps it was because he was tired of dumb people, who knows-it's something he said earlier in this game). If you're going to meta someone you need to show HOW the differences (or similarities) are alignment-indicative. Bugs, if someone says, "hey he's looking scummy, but it's the same as his own games", you have to show that it's different from their town games. I have done that, according to you. His play on his own is scummy. It's not like his town games. I'm not following you. You might've shown a difference but it's not the difference that matters. You need to be able to explain the difference. Yeah, finding a difference is cool, but that's not the point of metaing someone. Their play could be different for several different reasons. I find it plausible that, if his play this game is different (I haven't checked thoroughly enough to even say that it is) then there is a good chance it is because, in his last game, it didn't go very well for him.
I would like to hear what you think of froggynoddy then.
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froggynoddy looks more town to me now that he's stopped being infatuated with Tunkeg. Deciding between BC, Toad, and marv right now.
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On January 05 2013 02:36 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 02:33 Toadesstern wrote:
it worked pretty damn well last game to be honest. last game isn't this game. well yeah but I had you down as scummy as well, I also had VE down as slighty scummy (whatever, he's VE so that's a null I guess) and besides very few people I actually agree with most stuff in palmars sheet. Like I wouldn't call Clarity town, he's still in the "might be stupid category", nothing I'd lnych but nothing I'd call town either. So it really does look like Palmars town again.
talk to me toad. I want to hear which ones you don't agree with in a little more detail.
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Let's kill BC. why? Because all of his reads look either wrong or meaningless to me - and that's not something I associate with his town play. Even if he doesn't have time, I still expect actual meaningful thoughts from him and what's he produced so far looks useless.
I wouldn't lynch marvel - I have a strong feeling that he is arrogant enough that he actually believes what he's saying.
##Vote BC
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On January 05 2013 04:52 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:34 HiroPro wrote:
Let's kill BC. why? Because all of his reads look either wrong or meaningless to me - and that's not something I associate with his town play. Even if he doesn't have time, I still expect actual meaningful thoughts from him and what's he produced so far looks useless.
I wouldn't lynch marvel - I have a strong feeling that he is arrogant enough that he actually believes what he's saying.
##Vote BC what the fuck? BC is known for his scum play, he is not very well known for his town play.
I'm going by personal experience. In the games that I've played with BC or seen him play as town (PTP3, LVII), his thoughts have been well-reasoned and useful.
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On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case.
I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right).
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On January 05 2013 05:14 yamato77 wrote:
Not to mention that town Marv doesn't get lynched. He said soi himself before the very first game I played with him. Town Marv would never be in this position because by now people would actually have a town read on him. He hasn't done anything to give me that sense of his intentions this game which makes me all the more comfortable with switching my vote off of Palmar and onto Marv.
If you haven't yet realized, marvellosity has a very high opinion of himself. It's actually fairly common for him to have a lot of suspicion on himself and he was almost lynched in Paranoia recently (avoided only by claiming cop).
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On January 05 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote:On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case. I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right). But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true.
Palmar is a player who people judge almost entirely by whether he is right or wrong on the lynches that he leads.
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On January 05 2013 05:36 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:33 HiroPro wrote:On January 05 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote:On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case. I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right). But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true. Palmar is a player who people judge almost entirely by whether he is right or wrong on the lynches that he leads. I'm sorry, I may be abit tired, stupid and what not but I don't see how it's relevant to the point you are making.
What I mean is that while most people have said that they consider Palmar town, there will be a backlash against him if he is wrong about marvellosity. BC's post looks to me more like an attempt to fuel that when it starts than anything else.
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On January 05 2013 05:38 wherebugsgo wrote:Foolishness, I want to hear your thoughts on yamato when you read this. Please tell me which way you would lean with this statement: Yamato being agreeable and not outspoken is indicative of him being scum/not indicative of Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:33 HiroPro wrote:On January 05 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote:On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case. I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right). But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true. Palmar is a player who people judge almost entirely by whether he is right or wrong on the lynches that he leads. Which is funny, given that he is often just as wrong as anyone else. He's just extremely obnoxious about taking credit for the lynches where he either gets lucky or was loud enough to get someone who was obvious scum lynched. He's not someone like sandro, you can't judge his alignment based on him being right or wrong. Palmar, I would say, has about a 50% chance of being right. Players like sandro and foolishness I'd put at 80 or 90%.
It doesn't actually matter how correct he is or whether or not that is the correct play does it bugs (and I would actually be inclined to agree with you)? The simple fact is that that is how people have been regarding him recently.
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w/e, your claim doesn't mean anything. I don't understand why you would claim.
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On January 05 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:25 HiroPro wrote:
w/e, your claim doesn't mean anything. I don't understand why you would claim. why the fuck wouldn't i claim? if i died without claiming, people would go "why didn't you claim?" now you have the choice to lynch the uncounterclaimed cop (and i won't be) or someone else.
who cares if people call you bad or dumb. the claim is still completely meaningless, as anyone can make it.
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