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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
January 08 2013 22:35 GMT
#3221
On January 09 2013 07:34 kushm4sta wrote:
@IAMP CC did wifom mind bombs last game as town. He was badbadbadbad town that game, the only difference is he was active.

pretty convenient then to be inactive this game and not contribute at all.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
January 08 2013 22:37 GMT
#3222
well considering peoples win cond might change what is there to talk about?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
January 08 2013 22:37 GMT
#3223
ebwop wrong thread
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 08 2013 22:40 GMT
#3224
On January 09 2013 07:31 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 09 2013 07:26 Kurumi wrote:
On January 09 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you talking about?

The KP formula? It's explicit in the OP

Scum# / 2 rounded up

That means that with 5 members, scum get

5/2=2.5=3 KP to play with during N2.

Not 2.5 KP. That insinuates that scum lost .5 KP during N2, when the OP explicitly states otherwise.

Wrong. Scum KP is rounded up after using roles.


I didn't say anything about using roles. I stated the rule I read in the OP. Is that rule incorrect?

How many KP did scum have during N2 before any roles were used? This is well within your ability to answer without giving anything away.

2.5KP.


Here is the way I see it.

Grush vigged Hopeless and died from it. I'm quite confident on this one. I don't see why mafia would kill grush or Hopeless. That would be pretty stupid. Also, please remember this ^^

On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 06:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote:
Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless.
##Vote: Hopeless1der

Comment on Palmar, Marv or BC in the meantime

Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far.
Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1.
BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS

Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
[b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b]
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.

ALSO,

STARSENSES


Grush really wanted Hopeless dead.

Now, I don't know what do to with Chez being killed. But I think it's more likely to be a mafia shot if nobody claims it. On top of that, I don't think that another vigilante is possible.
I really want the killer of Chez to claim, if he is town.

So, we just have to see how much KP mafia used in dayvig (at the end of the day) to see if MZ is scum mason or not.
So we don't lynch MZ today.


iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
January 08 2013 22:42 GMT
#3225
oh by the way its time for him to die

## Vote Mr. CC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 08 2013 22:44 GMT
#3226
On January 09 2013 07:40 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 07:31 Kurumi wrote:
On January 09 2013 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 09 2013 07:26 Kurumi wrote:
On January 09 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you talking about?

The KP formula? It's explicit in the OP

Scum# / 2 rounded up

That means that with 5 members, scum get

5/2=2.5=3 KP to play with during N2.

Not 2.5 KP. That insinuates that scum lost .5 KP during N2, when the OP explicitly states otherwise.

Wrong. Scum KP is rounded up after using roles.


I didn't say anything about using roles. I stated the rule I read in the OP. Is that rule incorrect?

How many KP did scum have during N2 before any roles were used? This is well within your ability to answer without giving anything away.

2.5KP.


Here is the way I see it.

Grush vigged Hopeless and died from it. I'm quite confident on this one. I don't see why mafia would kill grush or Hopeless. That would be pretty stupid. Also, please remember this ^^

Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote:
On January 05 2013 06:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote:
Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless.
##Vote: Hopeless1der

Comment on Palmar, Marv or BC in the meantime

Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far.
Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1.
BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS

Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.
[b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b]
Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.

ALSO,

STARSENSES


Grush really wanted Hopeless dead.

Now, I don't know what do to with Chez being killed. But I think it's more likely to be a mafia shot if nobody claims it. On top of that, I don't think that another vigilante is possible.
I really want the killer of Chez to claim, if he is town.

So, we just have to see how much KP mafia used in dayvig (at the end of the day) to see if MZ is scum mason or not.
So we don't lynch MZ today.



I like this.

+1 for objectivity.

##Unvote
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 08 2013 22:47 GMT
#3227
also like. well done djodref. djodref is town.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 08 2013 22:49 GMT
#3228
##Vote CC
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
January 08 2013 22:49 GMT
#3229
On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now.

It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now.

I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back.

I'd like you to keep playing or I am going to modkill you for playing against your wincon.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 08 2013 22:53 GMT
#3230
On January 09 2013 07:49 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now.

It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now.

I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back.

I'd like you to keep playing or I am going to modkill you for playing against your wincon.


I'd like you to define "keep playing". I thought it was pretty evident in the post you quoted that I'd be back, it wasn't anything like a ragequit, so I'd like you to quantify your statement so I don't get mod-lightning for no reason.

Because the rules are subject to change at any moment, this is important for my team to win - knowing exactly how much inactivity is deemed "playing against your win condition".
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 08 2013 22:59 GMT
#3231
you just need to follow the thread as i did...
really... am i the only one around here who reads?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
January 08 2013 22:59 GMT
#3232
On January 09 2013 07:49 debears wrote:
##Vote CC

are you sure i called you scum just a few posts ago that make me scum?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2013 23:00 GMT
#3233
On January 09 2013 07:47 kushm4sta wrote:
also like. well done djodref. djodref is town.


where are you getting this from?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 08 2013 23:17 GMT
#3234
Okay i wanna say something off topic:

What Marvellosity did and what Viscera is doing right now is extremely unsportsmanlike.
This is a game. And we all do it as a hobby. Kurumi was so kind to host this game and several others.
This is my third Kurumi game i think (or second, but i followed one more i think) and his games really are fun to play.
I love Kurumis set-ups because they are always surprising. That is part of Kurumi games and I love it.
Last game we had i think 3 Vets (2 lifes) and it was a tense game until the end.

These ragequits are extremely unfair and disrespektful. This is a game with 30 players. And I hate it, when 1 or 2 players destroy it with unfair ragequits.

VE and his limited ability to read the Hosts announcements and his stupid, unjustified rage towards the host is really getting on my nerves.

I am okay when you fake-rage or really rage towards other players. But the line is crossed, when you're spamming, insulting or provoking a modkill. WTF are you guys thinking?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 08 2013 23:32 GMT
#3235
I wanna say something off-topic too, even though it's on-topic because it's concerning myself and what's happening right now.

Part of playing a game is playing by the rules. Part of playing by the rules is knowing the rules.

Kurumi was kind enough to host this game, and I respect Kurumi for that. It's because I respect Kurumi that I haven't left this piece of shit game already.

It was Kurumi's fault that the KP formula was incorrect on the OP. He may have clarified it later, and I may have missed it, but because the KP formula was incorrect in the OP (the place I go to find the rules of the game) I've been playing this game with incorrect/incomplete information. This is true whether I'm scum or town, and transcends my alignment in this game.

And it's not fucking fair. I don't give a shit if you don't like it supersoft - I play games because I like them, and I play by the rules because I respect them. If I don't know what the rules are, then the rules I do know I expect to be accurate. And THEY WERE NOT. I don't care if you don't like that I'm pissed off about it because that has nothing to do with you. It has to do with me, and it has to do with Kurumi.

Now, I admit that yesterday (D2) I was close to rage-quitting. Marv rage-quitting made me almost ragequit myself. However, after taking as step back and looking again I decided to try to play anyway.

I never EVER indicated that I was quitting this game during this cycle. I said I was taking a step away from the thread because I didn't want to rage in the thread about this stupid fucking rule anymore.

Kurumi dragged me back in by making it seem like I was trying to ragequit. That is not the case. I was NOT ragequitting. It should have been clear by my post that I was just trying to keep an objective mindset by stepping away from the thread for a bit.

There's nothing unsportsmanlike about my behavior. If you think Kurumi shouldn't be held accountable for the way he hosts his game, that's fine and that's your opinion. I hold Kurumi to a higher standard because he's a veteran here and it was his choice to disregard the standard OP and make his own. It was also his choice to phrase the KP formula in an ambiguous way. It was also his choice to not update the OP when the clarification was made to the KP formula.

I haven't spammed, insulted, OR provoked a modkill. These are all lies. I've asked for clarification to the OP. Nothing more.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 23:39:41
January 08 2013 23:37 GMT
#3236
I will talk with you Viscera tomorrow in the pms no worries. Dont stop guys please, keep playing. Cheers!
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 08 2013 23:38 GMT
#3237
you are out of line because kurumi was not incorrect when he wrote the op. it was just vague as to when the rounding step was taken.
It's as much our fault as his for not asking it to be specified.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 08 2013 23:44 GMT
#3238
You just don't get it right?
You provoked Kurumi to modconfirm you as a townie.
As if a scumplayer doesn't know how the KP work at this point of time
and even if you had been scum, I highly doubt, Kurumi would have been explaining this stuff to you in this thread right here.

I can write that here, because I am like 100% sure that if there is at least one decent scumplayer in this game here, he is just writing the same stuff to Kurumi and is asking for your modkill. The modkill I honestly believe you deserve for your shit right here.

You overdone it:

On January 09 2013 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 07:26 Kurumi wrote:
On January 09 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are you talking about?

The KP formula? It's explicit in the OP

Scum# / 2 rounded up

That means that with 5 members, scum get

5/2=2.5=3 KP to play with during N2.

Not 2.5 KP. That insinuates that scum lost .5 KP during N2, when the OP explicitly states otherwise.

Wrong. Scum KP is rounded up after using roles.


I didn't say anything about using roles. I stated the rule I read in the OP. Is that rule incorrect?

How many KP did scum have during N2 before any roles were used? This is well within your ability to answer without giving anything away.


On January 09 2013 07:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
IT STATES EXPLICITLY IN THE OP THAT THE SCUM KP FORMULA IS #/2 ROUNDED UP. PERHAPS IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE AND THE FORMULA IS #/2 THEN THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE OP YES?!


On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now.

It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now.

I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back.


On January 09 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 07:49 Kurumi wrote:
On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now.

It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now.

I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back.

I'd like you to keep playing or I am going to modkill you for playing against your wincon.


I'd like you to define "keep playing". I thought it was pretty evident in the post you quoted that I'd be back, it wasn't anything like a ragequit, so I'd like you to quantify your statement so I don't get mod-lightning for no reason.

Because the rules are subject to change at any moment, this is important for my team to win - knowing exactly how much inactivity is deemed "playing against your win condition".


supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 08 2013 23:46 GMT
#3239
On January 09 2013 08:38 kushm4sta wrote:
you are out of line because kurumi was not incorrect when he wrote the op. it was just vague as to when the rounding step was taken.
It's as much our fault as his for not asking it to be specified.


Just read Kurumis filter. Everything is in there.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2013 23:48 GMT
#3240
super, who are you gonna vote for? and do you have a legit reason for not dropping the logs yet?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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