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Djodref
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It's just that I didn't realize until late that the votes of ON on me were counting for this round. It felt like I was starting with an handicap but whatever... I don't want to get mislynched so I'll put more efforts in this game so everybody understand I can be a valuable asset for town  Unfortunately I have to work this afternoon so you have to give me some more time. | ||
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Djodref
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You are my top scumread at the moment so I want to go full force against you. As I might no be able to vote on the last round, I don't mind to spend all my votes on you this round. I'll come up with a case against within 10 hours. ON is a scummy lurker but, in my opinion, he is more lurky than scummy. And you are still scummier than him  | ||
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Djodref
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Djodref
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My main points against him are:
Lack of scumhunting + Show Spoiler + He admits it himself in this post in response to Kush On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Addressing more of this: /snip You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. Please note also how he implies that we are going to mislynch (all the scum already out comment). This is not scummy but it is at least not good town mentality. On top of that he refuses to give his scumreads invoking bad excuses (what are the lynch mechanics doing here ?) and for this, I clearly don't see any town motivation. Suspicious unvotes at deadline + Show Spoiler + I don't know if you have noticed it but his unannounced unvote at round 1 deadline had a influence on the kush/prplhz match-up. He let Kush advanced over Prplhz. Look at the way he presents it On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: /snip I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. /snip I'm not accepting his excuse for this. Should I state that I'm going to be present for deadline tomorrow and happily reverse the result of a matchup ? Is this ok ? I don't like the way he presents it, stating that it almost exactly the same, when his actions led to an opposite results for one match-up. He has no choice but to admit it but the fact he has doing it passively (by unvoting) and shifting the focus on Hiro helped him to make Kush advance (or should I say eliminate prplhz from the competition?) quite unnoticed. At least, I didn't catch up at first. If you guys have all seen this then I'm sorry for bringing this up. What makes it even more suspicious is the global picture:
I would say that Hopeless doesn't really care about who is going to advance in this bracket. And the question I really would like him to answer is what he is planning to do with all the votes that he has carefully saved ? Contradicts himself + Show Spoiler + Firstly he did contradict himself while speaking about letting kush advance. I'm sorry but it not exactly the same when you reverse the issue of a matchup. And here is the second contradiction: I didn't understand why he was so obsessed with people present at deadline and I called him for it. Here is the post he gave me in response On October 11 2012 23:55 Hopeless1der wrote: There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town. Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense. I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much. What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary. Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it? OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes. What I understood from this answer is that knowing who is present at deadline prevents crazy things from happening. I think that the simplest way from preventing crazy thing to happen is to use your votes and sticking to them. Unvoting like you do results in more possibilities for outcome of MUs to change, something you want to prevent by asking everybody if they are going to be present at deadline or not. I think you want to give yourself some presence in the thread by asking everybody if they are here for deadline or not. In reality you just want to know if you can safely do you unvoting cuisine. With all this I'm pretty sure that Hopeless is scum. I'm going to go full force in him this round against him because I really want him to get lynched today and I may not be able to use my votes on the next round. I'm also interested to see who is going to vote for his concurrent, the Great Lurker, I named OriginalName. Please be aware that I'm not forgiving ON in any way with this post. Right now, I really find Hopeless to be the scummiest among us. Prplhz is also looking scummy in my eyes. I'll develop on this later but I would like first to have some feedback on this case, especially from Hopeless. Hopeless x6 | ||
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Djodref
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Could you sum me up what you have against sandroba ? I didn't take the time to look at his filter yet because he is my opponent for this round and I guessed he was going to be scrutinized enough. By the way, what do you think about my case ? | ||
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Djodref
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It's not possible for me to know which one of us is going to advance. I might not be able to be here at deadline so I might not even be able to check and last minute vote. I also prefer to clearly state my intentions right now rather than creating confusion at deadline by dropping suddenly 6 votes. I want Hopeless to advance and to be lynched today, regardless if I'm advancing or not. I also want my votes to be useful. I thought it through and I think the best thing was to use all my votes right now. The side effect is that people who would prefer ON to advance (or Hopeless to be eliminated) have also to commit their votes to achieve it and I really like this as well. By the way, I'm going out for the night and I don't know if I would be able to wake up before 11am tomorrow, if you know what I mean | ||
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Djodref
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I'm just waking up and I have a serious hangover right now. Reading the thread has made my head exploding even more... I didn't expect this at all. I was thinking that Hopeless was going to OMGus vote me and that I would end up in the final (that was another reason for me to spend all my votes at this time but I didn't want to say it at that time). @Hopeless Why are you doing this to me ? I'm going to lose my sanity sailing the dark seas of the WIFOM again... Seriously, if you are town, you are just confusing everybody with your "plan" I need more time to process everything. I'll be around for a while and I'll give my thoughts about today's lynch and hopefully more. | ||
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Djodref
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I want him to flip so I definitively know if he is town or scum because it is going to bother me for a while. Last game I've been through a lot of WIFOM shit (thank you Kush by the way) and the result was me tunneling the town MVP for almost all game. I don't want this to happen again and I'll try to look for other players for a while. Hopeless explanations make me seriously doubting on my case against him (plus I've said myself that obvious scum is usually town, it might apply here again) but I cannot see him as town yet. Hopeless, I got my eyes on you <3 ! Concerning today's lynch, I don't have any more votes so I have basically no power to change anything. Yet I would like to use my words to convince you to lynch Sandroba over OriginalName. OriginalName I think everybody could agree that he is a total lurker. So let's look at the few things we have. His useless panic vote against is scummy as hell and his explanation for it was weak in my view because he calls me for a post I have made drunk and me backing off from this post later on. I was drunk and I've made a mistake at that time so it was natural for me to back off. But I understand it could be suspicious in another player eye so it could be a valid reason to vote me. Regarding his vote, I think a scum player would have avoided voting like this. And there it is, that's all we have from him ! I'm saying that it not enough to lynch him today. Sandroba Sandroba is also a lurker but he looks scummy enough in my eyes to deserve the lynch. I'm not familiar with his meta but I've been skimming through his filter in the C9++ game and I must say that it looks like night and day when you compare it to his actual filter. Also, his unexplained hunch for me is a scumtell. I've been looking bad enough (and from my first post apparently) to advance until the semis but he is one of two players to have a town read on me (hello prplhz!). Moreover, he didn't bother to address this point. Regarding his last post, I was also drunken yesterday, I'm having a big hangover now, most likely I'm going to be drunk tonight again but I'm still trying to invest myself in this game. I imagine he is that disinterested right now because he is scum. If I had votes right now, I would use them to vote Sandroba. Hence, I recommend you to lynch him. | ||
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Djodref
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On October 11 2012 06:23 prplhz wrote: About Djodref and da0ud I have a strong town read on Djodref right now pretty much because of his very first post. He thinks it looks easy for scum to avoid a lynch which isn't something that scum think. It's a 96 hour day1 and they're pretty much forced to give reads on everybody, no tunneling. I think that this looks hard for scum and scum must feel a lot worse off. This is the clearest town tell in anybody for me so far. In da0ud's first post: I think this looks like a classic scum jokey wobby post. Especially the bolded part. So I have been looking at his filter and I've discovered a lot of questions and short posts, but unfortunately not a lot of content. @prplhz I would really appreciate you sharing with us all the info you have gathered with your questions here and there. I wouldn't mind if it was a long and articulate post. I'm starting to wondering if you are active in your scumhunting or just pretending to be active I also have been suspicious of HiroPro from the start because he was encouraging people to discuss about the lynch mechanics. I don't like the fact that I have been his top scumread because I know my alignment but I can understand that some of my posts look scummy and his reasons made some sense. But I really don't like the way is dropping me at all. On October 13 2012 10:19 HiroPro wrote: man. even for a checkin post, that was lame sandroba. I changed my mind on dodref. After reading his earlier game (especially the nonsense he wrote about debears), I do think he could have wrote a bad case like that as town. @HiroPro I might be a newbie and my case might be bad but I'm at least investing myself in this game. So I wouldn't mind you showing me how to make a good case because I'm not able to find any so far in your filter. I would even go as far as there is not so much content in your posts. Also, from what I understand, ON is on your scumlist, but I think we can safely assume that have more than one scum in this game. Who are your top scumreads now that you are dropping me ? | ||
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Djodref
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Please call me Djo ^^ I'm feeling lonely in my timezone... @thrawn while you are here, what do you think about prplhz and hiro ? | ||
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Djodref
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On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote: I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate. My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum. This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum. You did not stand up enough to prevent me from advancing iirc. And your last post looks like a caught scum trying to disrupt the town while he still can. | ||
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Djodref
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By the way, I've decided to give Hopeless a second chance: he might have played scummy on purpose. But from now on, I don't want to see any scummy thing in his filter. And if it turns out that he is town, I expect him to put a lot of effort to find the scum to compensate for the confusion I've been through because of him. | ||
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Djodref
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On October 14 2012 03:46 austinmcc wrote: I don't want to lose a town sandroba. I'm not convinced either way on his alignment, and he's a big asset if he's town. But I don't want to deal with either having him around late game after this D1, OR having to deal with a replacement catching up on 96 hours and then us having to read the replacement while not having much to go off of from ON's time in thread. To the extent that voting ON for concerns other than "ON scummiest" is a policy lynch, then yeah, I'm in favor of policy lynching him. Right now it's more just weighing what I think of each vs what they each bring. If I'm not convinced on either's alignment, then I'd rather take the chance that we have townsandroba who's useful than townON who isn't right now. If all this meta talk is true, scumsandroba is not particular active and nasty, whereas VE is the first replacement, and I feel like scumVE replacing in for ON might be nastier. So...I'd rather have townsand over townON. I'd rather have scumON dead than scumsand D1. Based on that, I'd rather flip ON if I'm not sure about the two of them. I've found some holes in your reasoning. Did you consider the case where ON is scum and Sandro town and the case where ON is town and Sandro is scum ? | ||
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Djodref
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On October 14 2012 04:36 prplhz wrote: I'm here and kind of up to date. Someone asked for some more transparency from me so I'm going to say that I agree with EchelonTee's assessment that Hopeless1der is probably town. Yeah, I've also asked you for longer posts but I still can wait a little. Regarding Hopeless, I still have some doubts but him "breadcrumbing" his plan with the following quote and his defense of my case make some sense. On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. @Hopeless Regarding the part in bold font in the spoilered post from you, was it also a reference to your plan ? + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2012 23:55 Hopeless1der wrote: There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town. Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense. I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much. What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary. Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it? OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes. | ||
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Djodref
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On October 14 2012 09:28 austinmcc wrote: Oh i'm not saying they're both town or both scum. It's more just ... if we're going to kill one, and I don't really think either is super scummy, I'd rather take the safer lynch. I want a townsand around more, and I want a scumON around less, so ... I'm more willing to lynch ON. Ok, I see. I had a little misunderstanding here. By the way if you don't really think either is super scummy, it's too bad you didn't use your votes to make scummier people advance in the previous stages then (it's just a joke, I've seen your explanations for it)Personally, I would still vote for Sandroba if I could but I guess it depends on your level of conviction for him to be scum. | ||
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Djodref
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So is this standard to have a total lurker in every scumteam ? It's the case in all my games so far | ||
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Djodref
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On October 14 2012 11:20 thrawn2112 wrote: so this means there is likely scum among ET, da0ud, hopeless correct? The switch to sandroba happened pretty late so I don't it's likley that all the remaining mafia would be been bussing. imo the only possible busser candidates are kush and prp... hiro maybe too but his switch was pretty early on and a buss was not needed at that point. I still don't like the way austin gave away the majority of his votes.... i doubt he was bussing but by giving away his votes he was giving away his responsibility for the lynch so i'm a tiny bit wary of him of course that all excludes the possibility of sand being scum, but i'm getting a pretty town vibe on him purely based on my reads of his emotions before and after lynch I would also have voted for Sandroba so I feel left out | ||
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