EPT^ I mean that in general. I have like 3 people thinking I'm BS and other 3 people thinking I'm RS.
Defending myself against all accusations at the same time is tiring.
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gonzaw
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^ I mean that in general. I have like 3 people thinking I'm BS and other 3 people thinking I'm RS. Defending myself against all accusations at the same time is tiring. | ||
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Keirathi
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I'm not really sure what that should lead me to think though. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Okay, after reading PTP3 and RockBand Mafia I can't think of Hiro as scum. Linkys: PTP3: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357&user=258487 Rockband: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&user=258487 I don't think I should explain the difference in play, which is quite drastic. Comparing that to this game it's all PTP3 again. Sadly ghost's last scum game was like what, 1 year ago? (and he has only 1). Hmm, his "meta" isn't good enough to take into account to be honest. I guess I'll just have to analyze his play here again. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 07 2012 15:28 Keirathi wrote: Honestly I could make a case for you being either one. Hell, I LIKE the cases for both teams. I'm not really sure what that should lead me to think though. You know...I'd advice people to read Can't Believe and iGrok's game again, and then maybe read any game I've been scum (Liar Game included) and then decide if they still think I'm scum. I honestly think my town meta is like....a million miles different than my scum one (although my scum play may seem "convincing" inside the game in context). | ||
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gonzaw
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At the very least if I thought Draz was the other scum and I wanted to save him I would have put another lynch candidate on the table by now (and you guys know I'm not "scared" of doing shit like that as scum) instead of mumbling all over the place. Also I think I would have died of exhaustion as scum by now, with all the posting I did (it certainly takes me a while to make posts as scum, you know, deciding what course of action to take and all that jazz) | ||
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Keirathi
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I haven't reread Can't Believe, but iirc most of the cases against you were more of the variety that you weren't reading the thread, and therefore had a bunch of dumb questions and analyses that just didn't make sense. | ||
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gonzaw
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I'm running out of guys that can be RS to be honest. I'm stuck with Jingle right now if I'm using a process of elimination (Hiro can't because of the above and the IMAP vote, Matt for leading the IAM lynch, Drazerk because of that gut feeling, austin and you and S&B for being town). Only ghost could be RS as well (although I don't really buy him being RS for now); but I don't know what to think of this elimination process. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 07 2012 15:37 gonzaw wrote: If I was scum, you know I'd just post shit all this day and let town bandwagon on Drazerk (whatever alignment he is). At the very least if I thought Draz was the other scum and I wanted to save him I would have put another lynch candidate on the table by now (and you guys know I'm not "scared" of doing shit like that as scum) instead of mumbling all over the place. Just so you know, I don't buy this defense. You're either town or scum by your merits this game, not what you "would" do. I can give you multiple examples of scum pushing bandwagons off of townies to buy some town cred. And it would make even more sense in this game, because scum, IMO, should be in panic mode. There are 2 scum dead, and only 2 townies taken out along the way. | ||
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gonzaw
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But...just the paranoid feeling I have of always having bad reads and that feeling that the guys I'm pursuing just don't feel right for being scum, plus some very minor things he does make me wary. For instance his insistance on finding keirathi scummy all game long when it didn't really seem he was convinced by it (no matter how much he explained). Or some stuff like posting that player list regarding Mementos' JK ability, and being kind of too wordy in certain aspects, that seem to make him look "super pro-town" but I don't really know if it makes him so. In the other hand he's at least active in some discussions, like this Drazerk one for instance, and I'm a sucker for people active in discussions. Maybe in the end the remaining scum team is something like austin-Mattchew or something like that. All my town games end like that, I think some guys are scum and then completely different guys end up being scum and I end up being embarrassed as shit (Can't Believe the exception though). | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I'd like you to read my previous games though. | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 07 2012 15:59 gonzaw wrote: ^^ Okay, don't buy it then and ignore it (you may be right about that though. I don't think I would personally try to take a bandwagon off a townie and looking scummy in the process...but I guess there are other players out there that would). I'd like you to read my previous games though. Marv stopped a day1 bandwagon in...Normal Mini 3? I think...on Bluelightz, and lived the entire game. Anyways, I said like an hour ago that I was going to sleep, yet I still sit here hitting f5. Damn you. I really am going to sleep now. I'll do as much in depth digging that I can tomorrow before the deadline. | ||
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gonzaw
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In Can't Believe I remember him going against the wall to get talismania lynched. Although I admit I could see him being safe there if it wasn't for the talis lynch he lead. If austin is the sole scum remaining, I guess his actions make sense (playing safe like that) That thing you said about "scum are probably in panic right now" struck me as interesting. If there is 1 scum remaining, he'd basically play like a 3rd party right now, and 3rd parties always try to be pro-town as possible (non-Palmar 3rd parties at least >_> ). It's kind of like Rad's play from iGrok's game. I fell for it and thought it was very pro-town...yet there was always the feeling that he could be something, specially since he was alive for too long. There's the iamperfection connections too, although I don't really want to pay attention to them. There's the Mementos stuff, which may be WIFOM, but well it's there and Mementos did make some points against him. Nothing else concrete though, it's not like I have a case or anything, just a bugging sensation. Again, people's thoughts are welcome. | ||
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Keirathi
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Austin was killed night 1 in Can't Believe. Sciberbia (his mason buddy) was the one who went so hard against talismania on day 2. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
May be or may not be....but one can daydream and think of it as possible. Also I want it documented just in case it's true  .. Yeah, I'm talking my ass out again, I'll try and go to sleep too | ||
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gonzaw
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On October 07 2012 16:05 Keirathi wrote: Damnit, I did it again. Austin was killed night 1 in Can't Believe. Sciberbia (his mason buddy) was the one who went so hard against talismania on day 2. marv was killed on N1, austin on N2 I remember both of them leading the lynch on talis. Although that implication does mean austin lead the lynch as well. Also aha! You won't get any sleep today >:D | ||
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Keirathi
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On October 07 2012 16:08 gonzaw wrote: marv was killed on N1, austin on N2 I remember both of them leading the lynch on talis. Although that implication does mean austin lead the lynch as well. Also aha! You won't get any sleep today >:D Oh, you're right. I just remembered sciberbia making the huge case on talis (and then, Matt following it up), and then sciberbia refusing to claim after austin died even though it was pretty apparent he was the other Mason. Anyways, carry on. | ||
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Drazerk
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JingleHell
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Anybody who's played with me should know that me pointing to this has nothing to do with my primary case on Gonzaw, and everything to do with the fact that people who suddenly start sounding like they have lynch foreknowledge should die. [QUOTE]On October 07 2012 13:04 gonzaw wrote: [QUOTE]On October 07 2012 12:59 austinmcc wrote: austin, what would you do if Drazerk flips town? Who would you look at?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On October 07 2012 13:09 gonzaw wrote: Meh scratch that question, it's kind of loaded. My main point is: How will you guys react if Drazerk is town? There seems to be no motivation to do anything at all today and everybody just assumes Drazerk will flip scum and that will make this day "worth it". But just like some people on D2, if the flip is town the day is wasted (i.e people come once in the whole day, park their vote and leave, that kind of thing). Does anybody have links to all games where Drazerk was scum, and how he acted in LYLO or before getting lynched in those games?[/QUOTE] That screams like foreknowledge to me. Oh, and the SNB/Keirathi claim protection target thing is stupid too. If they were scum, which I really don't believe at this point, all they'd have to do is not send in an NK and whammo, they're confirmed town, because they saved the NK! So, since it would gain scum two confirmed town, the only plausible use for it is to let scum try a last minute target switch. Gonzaw is still scum, kill him with fire. (Yes there's been a metric fuckton of discussion I semi skimmed, I was out and about or otherwise occupied most of yesterday. If there's something specific from the piles of speculation and ranting you want my input on, please let me know.) | ||
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JingleHell
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+ Show Spoiler + Ok, so I just woke up. Just read the thread. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this whole current line started because Gonzaw went "What if Drazerk is town?" Anybody who's played with me should know that me pointing to this has nothing to do with my primary case on Gonzaw, and everything to do with the fact that people who suddenly start sounding like they have lynch foreknowledge should die. On October 07 2012 13:04 gonzaw wrote: austin, what would you do if Drazerk flips town? Who would you look at? On October 07 2012 13:09 gonzaw wrote: Meh scratch that question, it's kind of loaded. My main point is: How will you guys react if Drazerk is town? There seems to be no motivation to do anything at all today and everybody just assumes Drazerk will flip scum and that will make this day "worth it". But just like some people on D2, if the flip is town the day is wasted (i.e people come once in the whole day, park their vote and leave, that kind of thing). Does anybody have links to all games where Drazerk was scum, and how he acted in LYLO or before getting lynched in those games? That screams like foreknowledge to me. Oh, and the SNB/Keirathi claim protection target thing is stupid too. If they were scum, which I really don't believe at this point, all they'd have to do is not send in an NK and whammo, they're confirmed town, because they saved the NK! So, since it would gain scum two confirmed town, the only plausible use for it is to let scum try a last minute target switch. Gonzaw is still scum, kill him with fire. (Yes there's been a metric fuckton of discussion I semi skimmed, I was out and about or otherwise occupied most of yesterday. If there's something specific from the piles of speculation and ranting you want my input on, please let me know.) | ||
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Drazerk
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