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On October 03 2012 08:20 JingleHell wrote: Mattchew, why not Gonzaw? As Memen said, austin DID explain a lot of those things, he just thought they were justification. I can't be sure one way or the other with austin, he's given alternately scummy and towny vibes to me. When I get back from TKD, I'll try and take a better look through. Got to leave soonish, and there's a bit to wade through, and context will probably matter. i just find it very strange how quickly you are willing to jump on gonzaw cause of meme pushing him, while not jumping on austin for the same reason.. | ||
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Mattchew Crossfire99 - coffin'd iamperf Ghost - cause of iamperf's pushing, i looked at iamperf's profile and i think this was his first scum game and my own read Not lynching today Hiro - other vote on iamperf SNB - I have a decently strong town read on SNB Gonzaw - His posting displays his thought process and a ton of second guessing himself, i feel this is very very (if not impossible) to fake as scum when you actually have more information than town. Probably wouldn't lynch Keirathi - I honestly don't think he would have been that vehemently opposed to a The austin/draz category cause he's left over and i don't have a read Drazerk - because it wouldn't be based on a real read, it would just be based on Austin - cause im lazy and not reading into him Who we should be lynching Jinglehell - tried to push me as scum based on my case on iamperf. I feel like this was more of an attempt to discredit me and the case I made than an actual push on me. Also, he gets really mad at gonzaw. He also is proven to be actively lurking on multiple occasions now Nisani - cause he's scum + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 06:33 Nisani201 wrote: Alright I've finally caught up on the thread. First of all, I understand what jingle is saying about being discouraged to be aggressive because of playing a lot of shitty games. I've played plenty of bad games as town and they don't push me to play better. See learned helplessness. I also think it's unfair to call out Jingle for not scumhunting because he's been under fire this entire game. I don't think he's scum. I'm null on perfection-- I don't like how he's only talking about ghost but other than that he doesn't have anything else scummy about him. I'd like to hear about his reads on other people. I still don't understand why we're letting Drazerk get away with playing an incredibly shitty game. He has *way* too many null reads and is barely contributing. I'm going to keep my vote on him. I mean just look through his filter and you'll see how little he's contributed. Gonzaw is someone I'm going to spend some more time looking into. Something feels off about him. ##vote Nisani201 | ||
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On phone in between pickup basketball games | ||
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Because I know most of you are too lazy to go click on his damn filter I will basically be posting all of it here. First, his intense focus on draz. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2012 22:52 strongandbig wrote: Why does Drazerk want to lynch survivors day1? On September 30 2012 22:52 strongandbig wrote: Or at all? On October 01 2012 12:03 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys So I'm just checking in I call Drazerk out for scummy play He says "I play like this always so you can't call me out for it" My response: okay so we lynch you for it, you know it's scummy play but you do it anyway. When is the deadline? On October 01 2012 14:25 strongandbig wrote: here's what im thinking right now hiro might be scum because he's posted a lot of small one-liners and asked a bunch of questions but not actually contributed much of anything of his own in terms of reads or analysis. drazerk might be scum because he switched his read from keirathi to me for little reason. not giving any reason why he unvoted keirathi shows that he doesn't really care about who he votes for, he just wants to push the thread around. he knows that he and i often get into shitfights and it's advantageous for him as scum to try and start one, as long as he thinks i won't be able to push a scum read on him through, which he probably does because he's arrogant. the thing is - his argument works both ways around - he says that I should know he doesn't actually try to win as town, but he focuses on third party, so my calling him out for that makes me scum. The thing is, I call him out for that every game - his attempting to call me out on it this game for being scum makes no sense. he's trying to use circular logic but it backfired. mattchew is sort of trying to scumhunt. this is very helpful in narrowing down his playstyle. he's either doing his bus-all-the-scum scum routine, or he's actually townie. mattchew very rarely makes up fake scum reads on town players when he's scum, he either posts cases on his teammates or just lurks the shit out of everything. so what that means is you can put a high amount of trust that his reads are genuine - he's either bussing or actually trying to find scum. crossfire99 - pretty focused on drazerk nisani - lol. what a "case". also ##vote: drazerk I think he's probably scum and I want him out of this game. He tries to include reads on others but they are mostly pointing out a blatant statement about hiro and a two way read on me. His reasoning for wanting to lynch draz can be basically boiled down to "he voted me which is weird cause normally when we fight he doesnt" which is basically just a scummy way of discrediting someone voting him. He also calls out (i believe, i cant tell if this is a good or bad thing) crossfire for being pretty focused on draz, when that is exactly what he is doing (draz the centerpiece of every post SNB made to this point). This is most likely extremely hypocritical but I can't say definitively if he is calling cross scum or town from his wording. Also, I don't believe a town SNB would just brush off a case against him the way he did to Nisani. He may think that but he would normally atleast give it a response to why it sucks instead of just OMGUS'n it. So basically to this point SNB has offered nothing of value to the thread and focused in on draz without actually providing almost anything that would make someone other than SNB believe he was scum. Next he is forced to talk about keirathi + Show Spoiler + On October 01 2012 14:30 strongandbig wrote: @hiro's question about keirathi's plan so i assume the plan you're talking about is "make a shitty case on purpose to start discussion" ? it's a god-awful plan, the only discussion you'll start is people saying "what a shitty case, you sure you give a fuck this game?" also kenpachi rule lol also keirathi says - first drazerk "legitimately trying" as town? you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. second this reads pretty sketchy to me, scum like to ingratiate themselves with townies who are suspicious of them as long as their lynch appears remote. so yeah, keirathi not looking too great to me right now. but i'm not sure about it - i'm actually not sure if you're right to call it a "plan" - sometimes townies do make weak cases right at the start of a day to get the ball rolling. it's just a thing, not a plan or a gambit or whatever. So I think he may not have been thinking to himself, 'i'll make this case as shitty as possible to bait out responses', but he could have been thinking 'this is dead so even though there's nothing to work with i'll do what i can." On October 01 2012 14:33 strongandbig wrote: oh also keirathi i think you said you have a slight meta-based townread on iamperfection, could you tell us about his meta in your opinion? if you didn't say this then whoever did say this pls answer that question but i think it was keirathi. He points out things that have already been said in the thread about keirathi's plan being bad. He also refocus's on draz, and then reiterates basically everything I said about the alignment of Keirathi's plan leaving us with no actual read. This wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't the only other person than draz he's really spoken on. So to this point we have a focus still on draz, and then a idk about me and keirathi. He then leaves his vote on draz and leaves the thread until after the lynch. This isn't a tell but it should also be noted. That night (or day? whenever who cares) he posts these 5 points On October 03 2012 03:11 strongandbig wrote: Sorry I've been less than up to my standards. Been busy, whatever. /shrugs. A few thoughts: 1. Because the vote was so close and there were so few ppl on iamperfection, it would not have looked bad for scum to be somewhere else and any scum on iamperfection could relatively easily have switched to avert his lynch. If there was scum on him it was sub-optimal play. Scum do stupid things; I got hammered by my teammates once while I was off playing dota. But in the balance I propose looking away from the iamperfection voters for now. 2. Drazerk's whole play is based around the premise "I refuse to try and look or be townie, so fuck you for trying to analyze me." We should kill him, it's the only sensible town response to that play. Also I think he's scum because he jumps around on votes without a care in the world, and because of that circular reasoning thing from before. Still, I'm not as sure about him as I have been in the past. 3. Getting medium bad vibes from jingle, but I can't put my finger on why. 4. Nisani looks pretty useless - his reasoning for voting Drazerk is pretty dumb IMO and it seems like he's doing some stupidly weak pressure. Like the best he came up with was "too many null reads". 5. I can't remember the last time Austin was scum, any help? Laters 1. This looks like scum hunting or atleast something, but isn't. He is just pointing out numbers and the situation. 2. More Draz focus. No scum hunting, just pissed off at his playstyle 3. Its hard to come up with real scum hunting on people as scum. This is evident here 4. Another easy shot to take with no actual scum hunting. 5. w.e Still no actual scum hunting, reads or reasoning for his votes. This is not the SNB that I like to have on the town team with me. Then we have his last post of "substance" + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote: its the latter also hey guys, i'm back in switzerland i just got mislynched in the other game i'm in and i'd like that not to happen again. i also haven't slept in something like 30 hours. im guessing the role list number swapping thing is probably also a bus driver or something. i read a bunch of filters. i'm not sure if i'm finding the right parts though. i think austin and gonzaw are maybe town, austin's attempts to explain things at length and reasonably feel well in line both with his town meta and with good townie behavior in general and gonzaw hasn't been tunnelling me even though he could and usually does. that gonzaw reason is a pretty bad reason though. i still want to kill drazerk. can someone please explain to me why it's okay for him to play like he is? that said, I think nisani is the best lynch at the moment. his filter just doesn't feel town to me, and i agree with whoever it was who said his little "i am null on iamperfection i want to hear more reads etc" thing sounds like how scum talk about each other when forced to. also i've thought about it and i think that saying this is a good idea right now: my night action was successful but i don't have complete control over who it targets. Intro fluff. He provides some town reads based on meta and feel. Refocus's to draz's "shitty play" and then back to nisani, saying "his filter just doesn't feel town to me" but not providing any quotes or actual scum hunting. then he posts a bunch of fluff about kill draz or nisani, parks his vote again and excuses his deadline absence again. This entire game, SNB has posted nothing of value in terms of scum hunting or caring about the game in general. He is scum struggling to find ways to post. ##unvote ##vote Strongandbig and you should too | ||
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Ghost, Xfire was the hammer on the iamperf lynch, theres very few things that almost confirm town, but this is one of them | ||
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On October 05 2012 06:48 Keirathi wrote: Also, its fucking bullshit that I am being forced to claim today. Goddamnit I'm annoyed. why? are you that special or sumthing? | ||
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##unvote ##vote nisani201 | ||
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