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Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 01 2012 20:05 GMT
#301
On October 02 2012 05:02 Drazerk wrote:
Cross you can't apply flip logic to me don't try.

Well then I guess I'm just going to have to flip a coin or roll a die to decide if you're scum or not because without flip logic I'm going to have nothing on you because I'm already confused by you. lol
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:06 GMT
#302
On October 02 2012 05:05 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 05:02 Drazerk wrote:
Cross you can't apply flip logic to me don't try.

Well then I guess I'm just going to have to flip a coin or roll a die to decide if you're scum or not because without flip logic I'm going to have nothing on you because I'm already confused by you. lol


I have that effect on people
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 01 2012 20:08 GMT
#303
On October 02 2012 05:06 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 05:05 Crossfire99 wrote:
On October 02 2012 05:02 Drazerk wrote:
Cross you can't apply flip logic to me don't try.

Well then I guess I'm just going to have to flip a coin or roll a die to decide if you're scum or not because without flip logic I'm going to have nothing on you because I'm already confused by you. lol


I have that effect on people


I think the correct solution is to wait for a vigi to get frustrated and find out for us.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 20:10 GMT
#304
On October 02 2012 04:56 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 04:47 austinmcc wrote:
On October 02 2012 04:45 JingleHell wrote:
On October 02 2012 04:39 austinmcc wrote:
On October 02 2012 04:36 JingleHell wrote:
So Gonzaw tries to create a connection between totally unrelated votes, and Mattchew assumes that someone who didn't post for most of the first half of D1 is active lurking. This makes you decide that they're clearly worthy of sheeping, even though neither of them seems to want to be the one leading the wagon?

After all, Gonzaw called his vote a throwaway, and Mattchew keeps screaming my name and putting his vote elsewhere. Kind of like Gonzaw did at one point.

No. They're not worthy of sheeping for that, they come off town to me for that. And for the other stuff mentioned above.

It DOES seem like neither wants to lead the wagon. However, Mattchew pretty clearly wants to lead a vote on iamperfection. How is him clearly wanting to lead a lynch on someone else scummy because he won't lead a lynch on you?


It's scummy because neither of them has yet to make sense in their suspicions, neither wants to lead it, both want to direct suspicion at me, and both have demonstrated willingness to sheep onto me for little to no reason.

That looks less like scumhunting and more like avoiding suspicion. Avoiding suspicion is, at best, a null tell, and certainly not validation for strong town reads.

You think...Mattchew is pursuing iamperfection this hard, not because he wants to hunt scum, but because he wants to avoid suspicion?


Pursuing him hard? He wasn't the first. Here's his "analysis".

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On October 02 2012 00:39 Mattchew wrote:
gonna hop right back into the thread with some analysis

I believe iamperfection is scum and I would like everyone to click on his filter

On October 01 2012 05:43 iamperfection wrote:
On October 01 2012 04:22 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm pretty happy lynching Keirathi right now. He's putting way too much effort into scumhunting on Day 1 to build up towncred. Looking through previous filters when there's been, what, twenty posts in this game? No, that's not something that townies do. I vote we lynch him today, and mementoss tomorrow. WHO'S WITH ME.

##vote keirathi

We are seriously going to allow this crap? Ive played about 6 games of tl mafia and this is the biggest pile of crap ive seen yet.

## Vote ghost_403

This post clearly mis-reads what ghost is trying to say and jumps on him with a hyperbole and what feels like a very fake sense of confidence. The way this post is worded is not as much anger as much as it reads "grab your pitchforks and bandwagon with me"

After this, his teeth are sunk into ghost, and he is afraid to move. He also has failed to comment on literally anyone else in the thread. His reasoning is bad, his contributions are next to nothing.

Honestly I don't think anything more needs to be written. Enough time has past for iamperfection to comment on other players, or contribute to actual discussion. His reasoning for pushing a ghost lynch is bad and grasping at straws.

##unvote
##vote Iamperfection




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On October 02 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote:
austin why arent you voting iamperfection with me?


Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 01:59 Mattchew wrote:
On October 02 2012 01:43 austinmcc wrote:
On October 02 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote:
austin why arent you voting iamperfection with me?

Oh noes, I forgot.

##Vote: iamperfection

Sorry about that.

##Unvote

Why am I voting iamperfection over others? He, ghost, and nisani all seem in the same boat where they just dropped votes on someone for weak reasoning and left. Between them, we can't have the whole time, but I like finding a mafia in there.

iamperfection doesn't seem to care about anything other than ghost's vote

ghost doesn't seem to care about anything other than keirathi's early game effort and...HiroPro? While I agree that the hiro = town comment doesn't feel scummy, how is ghost as a scum player? Half of his posts are just questions to HiroPro and then ducking out. I don't see a scum agenda behind what he asked and what hero answered, it was just "what is happening/what are your reads," but I dislike that he only engages a single person in the thread.
On October 01 2012 04:26 ghost_403 wrote:
So, hiro, whatchoo think's going on in this here thread?
On October 01 2012 04:40 ghost_403 wrote:
Alright, Hiro, so who do you think we should be lynching today? So far, all you've done in this game is setup speculation (a big no-no), and what else?
On October 01 2012 04:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that.

Still wanna lynch Keirathi.

Actually hadn't noticed the odd amount of hiro-only posts considering the size of his filter.

nisani hasn't done anything since Drazerk reacted to Keirathi's initial unvote. Actually...nisani reads the towniest of the three to me?
On October 01 2012 06:54 Nisani201 wrote:
On October 01 2012 06:25 Keirathi wrote:
As a bonus answer, Nisani is the other person (besides ghost) that I am particularly interested in right now. I feel like him jumping in to defend me against Drazerk because I was a "newbie" was taking advantage of an easy situation.

I recently played a game on another forum where I was pushed hard throughout the entire game because I made a small "newbie mistake" at the beginning. This game seems very similar and I don't want us to make the same mistake.

Not sure what to think of ghost, I think it's pretty stupid for anyone to vote Kei. I'm also not sure why drazerk took his vote off kei, since it doesn't look like anything really changed his mind.

I also think that Mementoss's "analysis" post was really stupid. It was a bad case on austin and the other half was him calling people town. He's on my radar but I'm still more confident in Drazerk.

doesn't flip out when someone is looking at him. Gives some thoughts on other players, although they're tremendously small.

Seriously. That post, that tiny answer, is basically the towniest thing I find in any of those three filters. Why am I lynching iamperfection over the other two? I don't give ghost as many town points as you do for his hiro post, and I find his hiro fascination odd.


I'm more concerned with JH. I think you were right in noting that he de-lurked right after getting called out. But where you say he's explaining this thought process thoroughly, I disagree. I'm not sure I get the change between PTP3 and here, maybe I didn't read the early days of PTP3 close enough to see this, but I remember JH in PTP3 being standoffish and unwilling to do anything but push single players. Being passive certainly provides an alternative playstyle to that, but it's not actually...doing anything. It doesn't seem to actually be BETTER or anything than PTP3 JH, and I'd expect someone who was unhappy with a bad performance to want to follow it up with a good performance, which this isn't. This is just excuses for NO performance.

ghost has provided opinions confidently. Do you feel that he is hiding something or just doesnt care about adding in extended explainations?

Nisani is more of a meta read for me, but I see him play like this a decent amount

Iamperfection is purposefully ignoring the rest of the thread and is not trying to actually help town with anything useful or anything that resembles effort.

JH as i have said, is a lynch I would support but I would much rather lynch iamperfection


Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 03:04 Mattchew wrote:
On October 02 2012 02:57 Drazerk wrote:
On October 02 2012 02:56 Mattchew wrote:
draz what you think of iamperf


+ Show Spoiler +

lets expand on this... what do you think of his contributions to the game. What do you think of his read on ghost? Do you agree with his reasoning? What would make you think he is town?


Wow, that's such strong pressure! Including a desire to get OTHER people to provide a rationale for it.

This looks more like fake scumhunting than real. Sheeping, asking others to contribute to his paper thin case, and making noise about a lack of contribution. The exact same formula he used to jump on me.

In other words, yeah right. Hell, at this point, I'm convincing myself to vote Mattchew over Gonzaw...

##Unvote
##Vote Mattchew

Huwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

This just can't be a scum post. Congrats on being town.

##Unvote
Fe fi fo fum.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:12 GMT
#305
There is no way this is actually a town Austin lol

##Unvote:
##vote: austinmcc
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 20:14 GMT
#306
On October 02 2012 05:12 Drazerk wrote:
There is no way this is actually a town Austin lol

##Unvote:
##vote: austinmcc

Do you disagree?
Fe fi fo fum.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:16 GMT
#307
Yes lol
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:16 GMT
#308
That statement is so retarded I can't put it past a town version of you
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 20:17 GMT
#309
No, you think scumJH could actually be making that argument?
Fe fi fo fum.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:17 GMT
#310
Yes...
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 20:19 GMT
#311
Drazerk, what's your read on mattchew?
Fe fi fo fum.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#312
Null
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#313
Basically unless I think someones scum or they are mod confirmed town I will always be null to me
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#314
they will* T_T
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 20:24 GMT
#315
Okay, had to check.

Why would scum point fingers at Mattchew this far into the day? And, at least to me, not in a way that makes any sense. It seems like JH is entirely misrepresenting what Mattchew has done, but not...not in a scummy way? that post just reads so visible and WRONG to me. It's a misrepresentation that doesn't make sense, and doesn't push someone that feels like a likely lynch candidate.

If you're not leaning scummy on him, then how in the world is that a post that comes from scum?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 20:24 GMT
#316
On October 02 2012 05:21 Drazerk wrote:
Basically unless I think someones scum or they are mod confirmed town I will always be null to me

That's fine, but I could only understand your response if you actually thought mattchew was scummy, and probably only if you thought mattchew was scummy for similar reasons.
Fe fi fo fum.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:31 GMT
#317
Never question what a scum would or wouldn't do they can do anything and get away with it if you make mistakes like that.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 20:33 GMT
#318
On October 02 2012 05:31 Drazerk wrote:
Never question what a scum would or wouldn't do they can do anything and get away with it if you make mistakes like that.

If it ever turns out to be incorrect, I probably will. But so far the posts I've gotten that feeling about have all been from townies, and the one time I voted that person anyway I was super newbie and sheeping someone who turned out to be scum.

How do you see that post from a scummy angle?
Fe fi fo fum.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 01 2012 20:33 GMT
#319
and pushing non lynch targets is a pretty good thing to do as scum IMO
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
October 01 2012 20:36 GMT
#320
Something's off about austin's play this game. I dunno what. I can't put my finger on it, and I have no idea why. I think I'm going to read a few of his previous games.

I'm still happy trying to lynch Keirathi today. After his initial case on Mattchew, he's done more or less no analysis this game. If looking through austin's previous games doesn't yield anything interesting, I might spend a bit more time staring at Keirathi's filter and write up my thoughts on it.

IMP doesn't read like scum to me at a moment. I didn't see anything substantial in the cases presented in the thread to change my mind on that at the moment.
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