Alright, I'm going to be getting a bit more rest since I woke up for Code S. Current thoughts:

I could definitely see VE being scum. His unfortunate scumhunting is a big piece of the puzzle, but his interaction with annul keeps nagging at me.

On October 03 2012 09:48 VisceraEyes wrote:

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That's what you think...until he actually feels like he might be lynched. Then watch.

*shiver*

Palmar couldn't get the guy lynched. PALMAR. And his newbie brigade was in full force at the time!

On October 03 2012 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

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What's your point? Did I ever say it was a skill you exclusively possess as scum? I didn't think I did :/

It took me a while to figure out why I was so annoyed by these posts, but I think I've figured it out. VE first emphasizes that as scum annul can become "scary" (which I assume means that he can appear to become a good contributor, though VE never actually says how annul becomes "scary"), but leaves out the fact that he might do the same exact thing as town. It doesn't feel like VE is trying to inform the town of annul's apparent meta, as much as emphasize the scummy aspects of annul's meta and attribute it entirely to scum-annul.

It would feel the same way if marv came in and said that I can be incredibly wishy-washy as scum. He's emphasized in previous games that I am the master of wishy-washiness regardless of alignment (though I've only ever been scum once, for little over a day). If he were to come into this game and try to convince everyone that I'm only wishy-washy when I'm scum, then I would be incredibly suspicious of him (In fact, I believe that's part of why he avoided talking about me at all despite my case being in the same post as the Node one).

In VE's case, it looks like he tried to do a similar thing, and then when annul called him out on it he tried to minimize the effect. Why say that scum-annul can be "scary" if town-annul can also be "scary" unless you're trying to make vigis take the shot without a proper reason? It seems like a pretty scummy interaction from VE.

I'd really like to hear thoughts from others, as this is the first thing I feel pretty confident about this game.

Finally, I'm still waiting on input from mementoss... I know that 15 pages is a lot to go through, but I'm not going to put him aside just because one of the people who was calling him out is going to flip scum. There are other lurkers, but he's promised more contributions twice now, and we've seen nothing from it.

ShiaoPi

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October 03 2012 14:56 GMT

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There is still KP missing I think.
Risen was not shot by scum (see marv's reaction lol)
I have a hard time believing that both KJ and annul got shot by scum, much more likely that at least one of them ate a vigshot.
Austin got shot and was saved.

So that makes it a total of 3 shots, assuming a vigshot on KJ/annul there is one more mafia KP around unaccounted for (at least if this game more or less follows the pattern of other big games)