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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
Pretty much everything I said before applies, but now he's off on some weird case against Risen. Kush is still a difficult read for me, but I think he's just completely misinterepreting what Risen said. A few posts pointed out that he is actually staying similar to his town meta, but this case is extraordinarily bad unless I'm misunderstanding something. I'm undecided on him but leaning towards scum. On Annul No reads on anyone. About 15 posts and a lot of one or two line posts. I see literally 0 scum hunting, and a lot of posting. I'd say if there's a thing you do that's a red tell, it's how many posts you have, and how little you have contributed. On Shady Everyone second he doesn't show up makes him appear in a worse light to me. His weird opening to the game would be a lot more excusable in my eyes if there had been literally any contribution after that. On Aardvark I think it's a pretty safe assumption that he'll be modkilled, maybe replaced tonight. On Mattchew He's pretty null to me. I hate people that start out with anything resembling "I'm town" it's an instant scum read from me, but since then his posts have actually been enough to move back into neutral. His "let's vote sloosh" campaign is weird, but weird in every way, as opposed to weird in a mafia way, unless one (or both) of the main candidates for lynch are actually mafia. Otherwise it just makes no sense. If our lynch flips red today, Mattchew becomes scum in my eyes. On Coagulation Has not contributed anything at all. Wanted to bandwagon Shady straight off the bat for the trolling opening. Wanted to Lynch Z-Boson following the Shady Lynch, but since that point he's only posted a one liner and no content. And he also started with stating that he was town. It would be a really aggressive opening for Mafia, but not impossible. On Broodking Another low content poster that has slipped under the radar entirely so far, relatively null read only because of his inactivity. He put some pressure on Kush, and then dissapeared. His dissapearance is scummy, but his play before that doesn't indicate scum to me. @everyone I'm not used to games this large, can anyone give me an approximate of how many mafia members there could be? @Annul What do you think would be a better situation for a lynch? I'm assuming Kush is up there, but who else? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On October 02 2012 09:55 Sharrant wrote: On Annul No reads on anyone. @Annul What do you think would be a better situation for a lynch? I'm assuming Kush is up there, but who else? these are two contradictory statements lol right now i have caught a few people in either blatant contradictions or OMGUSing or whatever. but the worst offender is someone who literally says "let's lynch someone i think is green." why people are moving off of that is beyond me. the fact he has some meta that has him saying this as a town once shouldn't let him off the hook now for a terrrrrrrribly red comment | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On October 02 2012 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Strange time to take issue with that, considering the push for austin...but you know...to each his own. What's your read of austinmcc annul? i didnt think that push was actually serious. if you really want to know my answer to this, then give me time to focus his filter | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On October 02 2012 09:51 annul wrote: KJ tell me what your interpretation is of why everyone is voting you? what reason do you think these people have? It's early in the game and the Town needs something to generate discussion. Accusations fly at the slightest provocation and scum always needs a reason to cast their vote. I don't mind being the focus of the discussion but the rationale for lynching me has been extremely shallow. At the moment, Shady Sands, myself and austinmcc are the vote leaders with 7, 4 and 3, respectively. I don't like how quiet the game has become now that Shady Sands is the leader. He isn't around to defend himself and he seems like an easy target to waste votes on. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On October 02 2012 10:00 annul wrote: i didnt think that push was actually serious. if you really want to know my answer to this, then give me time to focus his filter It looked serious enough by players whom I consider to be serious players. Anyway, I do want to know your answer to that or I wouldn't have asked. I mean, yeah I'll post just to read my own typing on occasion, but generally speaking if I specifically ask someone a question, I enjoy an answer.  Also your read on Kush hasn't changed I assume? Have you considered just like...noob town? Because that's what kush looks like to me. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
other than soft defending kush, he seems greenish to me. i believe he believes he caught KJ in a blackslip or something, and he had a timely recant when presented with evidence showing his belief was misguided. nothing else he said warrants a twilight push, imo. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On October 02 2012 10:05 kingjames01 wrote: I don't like how quiet the game has become now that Shady Sands is the leader. yes, this is exactly why i think he is not red. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On October 02 2012 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Another interesting mention of Shady: These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. I'm interested in BC's thoughts on Shady. I think Node's thoughts, already given, make Node look scummy. To be fair, this was before he disappeared from the thread again. I don't like at all how he left completely once he wasn't in the lead for the lynch. Now that he's back in front don't be surprised to see him spring out of nowhere. However, I'd still rather see kush dead, overall. On October 02 2012 09:22 annul wrote: also, people are not voting kush because they have a meta read on him where he says he is happy voting for greens when he himself is a green? is this what i have to glean from the posts defending him? I still agree with this. It was pointed out that kush's scum meta was that he was unnaturally aggressive. I'm not playing from his point of view, but I feel this is a mistake that would be easy to correct, especially since it was pointed out so bluntly in that newbie game. I think he's done much more for actually pushing scum objectives (attempting to jumpstart various bandwagons, absolving himself of responsibility for the ones he's joined) than Shady. I also think the kingjames lynch is pretty silly. I've played with both scum and town kj, and though it was a long time ago I'm pretty comfortable saying I'm not getting scum vibes right now (as has been pointed out, the spy stuff is a really really poor reason to vote for him). I'll likely switch my vote to Shady if it means keeping kj from getting lynched. But again, I still think kush is a much better target, so I'll leave it there for now. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
Interesting, thank you. I don't think what I said is a contradiction though, you voted him based on one statement, and never really made a read on him beyond it. If you want to play that game though, you're also either lying by intentionally misinterpreting Kush's statement, or you've just misinterpreted his statement. He did not "literally say 'Let's lynch someone I think is green.'" He did not even kind of say that. He said that he would be okay with lynching Shady EVEN IF he flips green. That's a very different statement. I'll agree that it still seems a little scummy, but that's what I've come to expect from Kush regardless, so I do not find it damning. What I do find more damning is that you are misrepresenting what he says in your case on him. Why is that? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On October 02 2012 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote: It looked serious enough by players whom I consider to be serious players. Anyway, I do want to know your answer to that or I wouldn't have asked. I mean, yeah I'll post just to read my own typing on occasion, but generally speaking if I specifically ask someone a question, I enjoy an answer. Also your read on Kush hasn't changed I assume? Have you considered just like...noob town? Because that's what kush looks like to me. What do you think of austin? I'm seriously struggling with where I want to place my vote at the moment. I don't want to lynch either kush nor kj, which leaves austin/Shady. Between them I find Shady scummier, but we're kinda just waltzing towards his lynch in an eerie fashion. I also went back and had a look at Mementoss, and he just seems kinda nullish. Deadline kinda sucks because he said he was going to look for scum an hour or two ago, and he could still be doing that, but I can't stay up forever :/ The most damning thing on austin imo is the very fact we're going towards a Shady lynch, austin knows he's under pressure and he's kinda contributed a little bit on Shady and then jumped ship again. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Shady Sands (7): kingjames01 (4): keirathi, kushm4sta (2): Node, VisceraEyes (1): Talismania, Mementoss (1): kingjames01 austinmcc (3): kreb, mkfuba07, BloodyC0bbler risk.nuke (1): Sharrant The following players have not voted: AdmiralAardvark, SlOosh, Shady Sands, BroodKingEXE, Marvellosity, VisceraEyes Friendly reminder to use the Voting Thread to have your vote counted. It's a little under 3 hours till deadline. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On October 02 2012 10:34 marvellosity wrote: What do you think of austin? I'm seriously struggling with where I want to place my vote at the moment. I don't want to lynch either kush nor kj, which leaves austin/Shady. Between them I find Shady scummier, but we're kinda just waltzing towards his lynch in an eerie fashion. I also went back and had a look at Mementoss, and he just seems kinda nullish. Deadline kinda sucks because he said he was going to look for scum an hour or two ago, and he could still be doing that, but I can't stay up forever :/ The most damning thing on austin imo is the very fact we're going towards a Shady lynch, austin knows he's under pressure and he's kinda contributed a little bit on Shady and then jumped ship again. I'll answer this. Give me a minute. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Node Node is super duper scummy. Again, for emphasis On October 02 2012 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Node responds Another interesting mention of Shady: These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. To be fair, this was before he disappeared from the thread again. I don't like at all how he left completely once he wasn't in the lead for the lynch. Now that he's back in front don't be surprised to see him spring out of nowhere. However, I'd still rather see kush dead, overall. My thoughts have NOTHING to do with when Shady disappeared from thread. I call Node out for finding Shady town for (1) stopping trolling quickly (nothing to do with his absence later) and (2) saying he started to push other targets (which he didn't, before his absence).mkfuba On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm trying to put my finger on what I dislike so much about this post. I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch. Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them. My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. First clump is... I may have to reconsider KJ. Okay. He might reconsider. He finds KJ scummy for an interaction with kei which COULD be an accusation and distancing or COULD be a "statement of facts." Here's his earlier post: On October 01 2012 12:17 mkfuba07 wrote: it seems like there's more to it than just the kj/kei interaction. Overall, that first paragraph makes me think mkfuba is trying to slip off a kj lynch, or slip a read that he sees as becoming unpopular, but in a very wishy washy mannerAll that's really stuck out to me was the Kei + KJ interaction, as well as Shady's trolling explanation. I thought I found some inconsistencies with how Shady had played in the past, but it turned out that I was confusing him with another player in my first game. Since he posted his intent to "troll" before the game started, I'm not ready to use it as a reason to vote for him. His votes and reads seem a bit off to me as well, but I know from my experience with him that I almost always disagree with his early D1 reads. I kind of have a personal "no vote for shady until D2" policy (unless he still seems scummy to me and it will avoid a no-lynch). That leaves me with KJ. So far he's talked a lot without saying very much. He's pointed a few fingers and then quickly pulled them away. I believe it's understood that any D1 scumreads are going to be pretty weak (except in specific cases) but he seems to be placing more emphasis on the fact that he's not calling someone out than the fact that someone or something is scummy/suspicious. So my vote's going to fall on him. ##Vote kingjames01 Second clump! I don't know about voting for kush or shady. Shady is strange with his absence, kush's policy lynch is bad. Kush, at this point in the game, has voted roughly 3 billion people. Kush has posted that he wants to lynch about 800 townies. Kush has done all manner of weird-ass not-easily-explained things and mkfuba isn't sure about voting kush because of kush's policy lynch on shady at the start of the game. This shows me that mkfuba hasn't been reading thread at all, hasn't been reading kush's posts OR the posts about kush. shortly thereafter On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote: What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... boom. mkfuba grabs my first post. I get TRAPPED in spy-slip land when I could have read the OP, when again, I went to spy-slip land in part because there are no spies in the OP --> not reading me closely. mkfuba finishes up his vote with "not sure if scummy or just busy+confused" he votes me. he doesn't know if I'm scummy. he just refused to vote kush or shady because he didn't "necessarily get scum from them." he just entirely skipped over everything kush had done. HOW IS THIS LOGICAL? How do you vote someone you don't know is scum, not vote two people you don't know are scum, blah blah blah. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
okay, fair enough. i grant you this. "That's a very different statement." no. it is the exact same conclusion: an extremely red comment that should be punished. "What I do find more damning is that you are misrepresenting what he says in your case on him. Why is that?" the answer to your question ("why?") is because my "misrepresentation" falls to the exact same conclusion as his "actual" statement. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
And even if you believe his irl excuse the ryder cup is over now so whats his excuse now? The shady i remember would not abandon thread like this. Vote shady 2012 for scum. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
revenge vote probably wont change again ##unvote ##vote shady | ||
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