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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 01 2012 23:49 GMT
#441
sloosh hasnt done anything after coming in complaining about the thread being bad.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 23:52 GMT
#442
We'll leave that alone for now. He is possibly going to get mod-killed for not voting or inactivity.

I'd rather kill a mafia who has actually posted instead.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 23:53 GMT
#443
Vote's going on Shady.

Trolling into...nothing. He returned at one point to post this:
On October 01 2012 13:17 Shady Sands wrote:
In response to trolling: I think people are drastically overblowing the following post:

Show nested quote +
The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow.


How is that a lie, Marv? I explicitly said I was trolling even though on the very first page DrH told GRush to eff off for presumed trolliness. I knew this was going to get me a high chance of being modkilled. But given that there are people who are possibly smurfing for others here, there's still a risk that trolls are here, so I wanted to play that way to make sure no one dared to troll... or at least I could abuse tolerance for trolls to the same extent as others.

Now reading through filters
where he's reading through filters.

Within the next hour he's got 2 posts, so he was in thread. But no reads, no info, no anything about what he got from reading filters.

##Vote: ShadySands


Interested in BC's feelings on shady. He mentions shady once, super early on, noting that he wants to see more:
On October 01 2012 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Shady Sands seems to be similar in popularity to the Mattchew lynch from last game (mafia LVII)

However I see a major difference like no major scumslip. Also given that near everyone seems content on him being a choice (although no real major voting), I am not inclined to lynch him until he posts more to get a better read.

I would however like to see more from (surprise) Mattchew at this moment.

Given his ballsy play last game, and the fact that my experience with him is that he is slightly more confident a player, I am not very impressed with his current play this game. It feels too underwhelming from my experience with him. If I am wrong I do apologize on this, but he has only really justified the behaviour of Shady, and asked people for their opinions.

Not a lot to go on, and very non commital.

I would like to see more posting from both these players, as well as seeing a more from sloosh and marvel so I can solidify a read on them.
BC how do you feel about shady's lack of content? He hasn't added anything, but he wasn't on your list of people to lynch:
On October 02 2012 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Looking through the thread the only people who stand out as people I would want to lynch today are austin, risk, and mattchew.
On October 02 2012 07:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:And you don't seem to want to discuss him at all:
As for what I want to accomplish? Ideally a dead mafia, realistically I would like to salvage some of day 1 by giving it some content that isn't rehashed "i want to off KJ, Kush or Shady"
Does the lack of follow-up so far not do anything for your read on him?
Fe fi fo fum.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 01 2012 23:53 GMT
#444
So is kush new? Or is he scum trying to make a pretend case?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 01 2012 23:57 GMT
#445
Hmm..woke up and caught up for now.

Shady still has not responded to questions and basically has not done anything, which makes me want to lynch him right now, but he seems to be bound to be modkilled anyway. For now though: ##vote: Shady Sands

KJ's read on Mementoss is kind of a lazy way out as he was lurking at the time of the read.
Did Mementoss' recent posting change your read kingjames?

In regards to the other lynch-candidates:
Kush would have been pretty high in my scumlist, but he looks like his town meta that was linked earlier.

I have no clue about reading VE, but he looks alright to me, nothing screams scum.

On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2012 00:00 GMT
#446
Another interesting mention of Shady:
On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.

These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets.

I'm interested in BC's thoughts on Shady. I think Node's thoughts, already given, make Node look scummy.
Fe fi fo fum.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 02 2012 00:06 GMT
#447
On October 02 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm..woke up and caught up for now.

Shady still has not responded to questions and basically has not done anything, which makes me want to lynch him right now, but he seems to be bound to be modkilled anyway. For now though: ##vote: Shady Sands

KJ's read on Mementoss is kind of a lazy way out as he was lurking at the time of the read.
Did Mementoss' recent posting change your read kingjames?

In regards to the other lynch-candidates:
Kush would have been pretty high in my scumlist, but he looks like his town meta that was linked earlier.

I have no clue about reading VE, but he looks alright to me, nothing screams scum.

On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him.


Read as: Oh he would have been high on my lynch list b/c I think his play has been scummy, but someone else came in and said his meta is scummy so he's p much town to me now.

Make sense to you? Doesn't to me.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 02 2012 00:09 GMT
#448
On October 02 2012 09:06 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm..woke up and caught up for now.

Shady still has not responded to questions and basically has not done anything, which makes me want to lynch him right now, but he seems to be bound to be modkilled anyway. For now though: ##vote: Shady Sands

KJ's read on Mementoss is kind of a lazy way out as he was lurking at the time of the read.
Did Mementoss' recent posting change your read kingjames?

In regards to the other lynch-candidates:
Kush would have been pretty high in my scumlist, but he looks like his town meta that was linked earlier.

I have no clue about reading VE, but he looks alright to me, nothing screams scum.

On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him.


Read as: Oh he would have been high on my lynch list b/c I think his play has been scummy, but someone else came in and said his meta is scummy so he's p much town to me now.

Make sense to you? Doesn't to me.


Did you read the linked stuff? It is pretty easy to come to the conclusion I did in my opinion. Suit yourself though if you do not believe me.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 02 2012 00:10 GMT
#449
On October 02 2012 09:09 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 09:06 Risen wrote:
On October 02 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm..woke up and caught up for now.

Shady still has not responded to questions and basically has not done anything, which makes me want to lynch him right now, but he seems to be bound to be modkilled anyway. For now though: ##vote: Shady Sands

KJ's read on Mementoss is kind of a lazy way out as he was lurking at the time of the read.
Did Mementoss' recent posting change your read kingjames?

In regards to the other lynch-candidates:
Kush would have been pretty high in my scumlist, but he looks like his town meta that was linked earlier.

I have no clue about reading VE, but he looks alright to me, nothing screams scum.

On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him.


Read as: Oh he would have been high on my lynch list b/c I think his play has been scummy, but someone else came in and said his meta is scummy so he's p much town to me now.

Make sense to you? Doesn't to me.


Did you read the linked stuff? It is pretty easy to come to the conclusion I did in my opinion. Suit yourself though if you do not believe me.


I don't care about meta reads. They're horrible and only let people hide behind excuses to play scummy.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2012 00:10 GMT
#450
You should care about meta reads, they help me to far more correct calls than incorrect ones
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 02 2012 00:12 GMT
#451
On October 02 2012 09:10 marvellosity wrote:
You should care about meta reads, they help me to far more correct calls than incorrect ones


Really? What's my town meta vs scum meta?

Seems to me like I've been able to use "meta" in the past to hide and make people think I'm town. Seems to me like ANYONE with half a brain can just "act like their meta" and "poof!" towny.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 00:15 GMT
#452
On October 02 2012 08:29 Sharrant wrote:
@Risk

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 07:47 risk.nuke wrote:

The guy clearly had insight in what's going on so I'm making the assumption that he's been following the thread. And when a player lurk hard with that kind of first and only post I'm getting pretty damn suspicious he's discussing the game elsewhere.


Yes. I told you, I got up early to make a post. I spent an hour going through filters and writing that post.

Anyways, I'm not talking any more about anything even related to my previous activity level, it's pointless.

So, onto the important stuff.

On Austin: Austin seems quite scummy to me, with almost all of his posts having been focused on KJ using "spy" instead of scum. I agree that it threw me at first, and I was pretty suspicious because of it (see my earlier post). That was his only bit of scum hunting though, was going after him for saying spy. Yes, he unvoted him after that, but never tried to pick up on anyone else after. He asks for opinions about Shady and Kush's play, but doesn't feel the need to write a word about them in return.

I'm giving him leeway for now because Marv said that his play thus far has been according to his meta, and that's something I'll trust him about. If his posting doesn't improve by day 2 though, I think he'd be looking like a nice target to lynch.


@everyone
Can someone please tell me if Risk is usually this agressive? I've never played with him before, but he seems kind of off the rails at this point. I'm suspicious of him, but especially since his last post I'm thinking that he just gets really emotional when he plays.

On Risk:
You just kind of suggest a lynch on Kush without explaining or even mentioning suspicions of him. Then you make a post about KJ and vote Shady, again without explaining or even mentioning suspicions of him. Then your case on me is entirely "I assume he's been following the thread". THat's it. THe end. You took no exception with anything I said, didn't see anything wrong or misinterepreted, taken out of context or distorted to call me out on. You just said "Hey, he made a long post as his first post. Scum for sure". Apparently so scummy that you would prefer to drop Shady, KJ and Kush all just to lynch me if more people were around.

At this point, I think you're scum. I'd love to be wrong, if you can link me to some of your past games, that'd be great. Maybe this just is standard to how you play, and someone will let me know, but I think you're scummy.

##vote Risk.Nuke

I'll have another post up either at or a little after the night post, with reads on a few more people.


nice OMGUS
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2012 00:19 GMT
#453
On October 02 2012 09:12 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 09:10 marvellosity wrote:
You should care about meta reads, they help me to far more correct calls than incorrect ones


Really? What's my town meta vs scum meta?

Seems to me like I've been able to use "meta" in the past to hide and make people think I'm town. Seems to me like ANYONE with half a brain can just "act like their meta" and "poof!" towny.


I'm not going to get into a big meta conversation with you, but go take a look at XXX analysis thread and see how much Ver refers to players' previous games. Or how Foolishness (#1 townie TL?) almost always includes meta in his cases
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 00:19 GMT
#454
On October 02 2012 08:42 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
Trudging through a couple filters :/ BC (or anyone who played with him), what do you make of annul? Looking at his filter I get blablabla pointlessness and his final post being:

On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here...


He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green.


holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision.

##vote kushm4sta


before abandoning the thread. It's a weak as shit vote and pays no heed to anything said about kush before or after that point. Otherwise known as a scummy copout.


This is a good point. With annul it's kind of hard to tell usually. Sometimes mafia annul gets through the early days by flying under the radar and showing up every now and then to vote.

If it continues, then I would be very wary of trusting anything he says because he is really good at amplifying flaws in logical arguments.



lol wat

explain to me how the premise where "annul shows up to vote and generally plays a passive game" goes to the conclusion of "therefore, be very wary of trusting anything he says?"

as for my passivity, read my last like 6 game where i go hardcore aggressive as all three colors and get lynched or killed by day 2 pretty consistently. i am trying to change it up as to not have that happen to me. this is not a red tell. this is not a tell for any color.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 00:22 GMT
#455
also, people are not voting kush because they have a meta read on him where he says he is happy voting for greens when he himself is a green? is this what i have to glean from the posts defending him?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2012 00:24 GMT
#456
pretty much
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 00:26 GMT
#457
that seems like a pretty terrible collective decision
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 02 2012 00:26 GMT
#458
On October 02 2012 09:19 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 08:42 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 02 2012 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
Trudging through a couple filters :/ BC (or anyone who played with him), what do you make of annul? Looking at his filter I get blablabla pointlessness and his final post being:

On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here...


He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green.


holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision.

##vote kushm4sta


before abandoning the thread. It's a weak as shit vote and pays no heed to anything said about kush before or after that point. Otherwise known as a scummy copout.


This is a good point. With annul it's kind of hard to tell usually. Sometimes mafia annul gets through the early days by flying under the radar and showing up every now and then to vote.

If it continues, then I would be very wary of trusting anything he says because he is really good at amplifying flaws in logical arguments.



lol wat

explain to me how the premise where "annul shows up to vote and generally plays a passive game" goes to the conclusion of "therefore, be very wary of trusting anything he says?"

as for my passivity, read my last like 6 game where i go hardcore aggressive as all three colors and get lynched or killed by day 2 pretty consistently. i am trying to change it up as to not have that happen to me. this is not a red tell. this is not a tell for any color.


No, no. I'm not saying that you generally play a passive game. I said that when you are mafia, you sometimes play passively. It fits how you're playing so far this game but it doesn't mean you're scum. It could also mean you're Town. I don't know but we'll see what you do as the game continues forward.

The next part is a warning because if you are mafia, then as the game progresses and the initial slough starts to fall away you tend to find ways to exploit unwary Town players.

marvellosity asked about you and I gave him my answer.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 00:30 GMT
#459
On October 02 2012 09:26 kingjames01 wrote:
It fits how you're playing so far this game but it doesn't mean you're scum. It could also mean you're Town.


okay.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
October 02 2012 00:51 GMT
#460
KJ

tell me what your interpretation is of why everyone is voting you? what reason do you think these people have?
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